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To: golux
We all spy on each other. There are plenty of books and articles about this phenomenon: The UK spies on us and vice versa. France tries to spy on us, and everything that isn’t nailed to the floor leaks out of France. We also share secrets and technology. It’s just how things are. ===================================================================

Yeah, I see what you mean. You want to take the high moral ground, which I can well understand as you've said; we all spy on each other and it’s just how things are.

If I take your rationale for the ghastly justification in which you advocate one country spying on another whose very magnanimity, benevolence, largesse it owns its very soul to because we all spy on each other and it's just how things are then I can apply the same logic, if that's what you want to call it, to justify murder because we all kill each other and it's just how things are.


I don't know who you think you are. You speak to me as if I'm some wet-behind-the-ears novice of some sort to take under your wing and teach me the way of the world. You are naive beyond words, your morality, scruples, beyond redemption, your willingness to betray your country is an anathema to all, everything I believe in.

I assume you are of the Jewish faith and if so you are a shameless embarrassment to the rest of us deserved of the status of pariah. It's people like you, the duplicitous, ungracious, exploitative persona that festers within, that belie the high moral ground most of us as Jews choose to take in life, things like honor, patriotism, service in duty of, that comes too hard for you but is to the rest of us a noble, divine calling.

34 posted on 08/30/2013 1:40:32 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: lbryce
I assume you are of the Jewish faith and if so you are a shameless embarrassment to the rest of us deserved of the status of pariah. It's people like you, the duplicitous, ungracious, exploitative persona that festers within, that belie the high moral ground most of us as Jews choose to take in life, things like honor, patriotism, service in duty of, that comes too hard for you but is to the rest of us a noble, divine calling.

Oh well. I have six years in military service to my country (not Israel.) I don't really know what you mean about duplicity, ungraciousness, and exploitatin but you are right in saying that I, and everyone else who knows what is going on in the world, knows also that it is naive to think that allies don't spy on each other. The difference of course with Pollard is that he was an American. Now: Is it wrong? Maybe and maybe not. Is it unsavory? Maybe, to some. Do you trust your own government wholly, absolutely? Maybe you do. Do you trust others, or allies, like France? Maybe so. These are personal, subjective questions. Objectively, factually, everybody spies on everybody. Sorry!
42 posted on 08/30/2013 7:09:05 AM PDT by golux
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To: lbryce; golux

I believe the phrase is ‘Trust, but verify’?


43 posted on 08/30/2013 7:23:42 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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