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Former President Carter warns US action on Syria without UN backing 'illegal'
The Hill ^ | 8/30/13 (11:52 AM ET) | Julian Pecquet

Posted on 08/30/2013 10:24:47 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Former president Carter on Friday came out strongly against military action in Syria without the United Nation's blessing.

"Punitive Action" without a mandate from the U.N. Security Council or "broad support from NATO and the Arab League" would be illegal under international law and unlikely to alter the course of the war,"...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 113th; 911truthers; alqaeda; carter; congress; democrats; elections; iran; military; obama; obamaswordsin2007; paleocon; randsconcerntrolls; syria; waronterror
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BTW, in a NBC/WSJ Poll, 79% say that Obama needs Congressional approval on Syria strike.

The Arab League and Britain (and even Germany now, too) have backed out, and Carter said AND. France isn't going to put this up for a vote, either, because it would lose. Everyone knows this. Obama MUST get Congressional approval, otherwise he will be going against the standard that he and Biden set in 2007.

1 posted on 08/30/2013 10:24:47 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Shut the *&^% up Carter, anyway.


2 posted on 08/30/2013 10:26:41 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Right, don’t get the permission of our own legislative body, it’s the foreign legislative body that’s important. When is this 89 year old embarrassment going to die??


3 posted on 08/30/2013 10:26:47 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

F the UN. Its illegal w/o the consent of the UNITED STATES Congress.

About the kind of stupid statement I’d expect from the 2nd worst president.


4 posted on 08/30/2013 10:27:32 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jonah Goldberg at the National Review talks about this obsession with getting the UN’s approval:

It’s always better to have friends and allies pitching in — many hands make light work, and all that. But if something is in America’s vital national interest, it doesn’t cease to be because Belize or Botswana won’t lend a hand. Posses aren’t more moral in proportion to the number of white hats who sign up.

Somehow this basic fact was lost in the last decade or so. According to liberals in the Bush years, the essence of wise foreign policy boiled down to: “It’s better to be wrong in a big group than to be right alone.”

Anyway, what I really don’t get is the investment of moral authority in the Security Council or the U.N. generally. The permanent members of the U.N. Security Council are France, Great Britain, the United States, China, and Russia. The other nations of the 15-member body rotate on and off the council. They also don’t get a veto the way the permanent five do. But, for the record, they currently are: Argentina, Australia, Azerbaijan, Guatemala, Luxembourg, Morocco, Pakistan, South Korea, Rwanda, and Togo.

Now, taking nothing away from the great and glorious accomplishments of the Luxembourgeois, Togoans, and Rwandans — never mind the invaluable insights the Pakistanis have into what constitute America’s vital interests — I am at a near-total loss to see how gaining their approval for a measure makes that measure more worthwhile. If you believe Bill Clinton was right to bomb the Balkans to stop ethnic cleansing (which I do), do you think that action was any less moral or right because he did it without the support of the U.N. and therefore — according to international law — illegally? I don’t.


5 posted on 08/30/2013 10:27:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?


6 posted on 08/30/2013 10:28:18 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

To the Democrats illegal is OK if it comes from the heart , ROFL


7 posted on 08/30/2013 10:28:20 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: bkepley

I was just wondering if OSlimeball prez would tell that ole crazy white cracker to sit down and shut up.


8 posted on 08/30/2013 10:28:36 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Carter vs Obama, thats a fight that nobody would pay to see. The fur will fly!!


9 posted on 08/30/2013 10:28:59 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bkepley

I was just wondering if OSlimeball prez would tell that ole crazy white cracker to sit down and shut up.


10 posted on 08/30/2013 10:29:30 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: cotton1706

Even a broken clock is right at least once a day and this time he is correct. Letting this guy get away with marching off to war, regardless of the high moral ground he set for us, is just going to embolden this POS to build upon that later. He will build upon his recent spate of executive orders and everything will be directed from the oval office. This is why they put children in playpens, to protect themselves, this guy unbounded is a major threat to the nation and our liberties.


11 posted on 08/30/2013 10:30:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Foreign policy expert Carter weighing in. The only thing he declared war on was the US economy.


12 posted on 08/30/2013 10:30:29 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If something is the right thing to do, it is the right thing to do even WITHOUT the UN’s backing.

If something is the wrong thing to do, it is the wrong thing to do even WITH the UN’s backing.


13 posted on 08/30/2013 10:30:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

As usual, Carter is half wrong. It would be legal if Obama got UN Security Council approval, but also legal if he got the U.S. Congress to grant him the authority.


14 posted on 08/30/2013 10:31:08 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

15 posted on 08/30/2013 10:31:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

LOL, Carter manages to be wrong about whose authorization we need and manages to throw Obama under the bus at the same time.


16 posted on 08/30/2013 10:31:59 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

LOL, Carter manages to be wrong about whose authorization we need and manages to throw Obama under the bus at the same time.


17 posted on 08/30/2013 10:31:59 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Barack Obama, War Criminal.

Gee I like the sound of that...


18 posted on 08/30/2013 10:33:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I thought intervention was a bad idea. But after hearing Carter’s latest asinine statement, I guess I need to reconsider.


19 posted on 08/30/2013 10:33:15 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: DannyTN

Those two elephants in the room (that you describe) are exactly why I posted this. LOL.


20 posted on 08/30/2013 10:33:58 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Cool - that way Obimbo will be a Nobel Peace Prize Winner AND a war criminal!


21 posted on 08/30/2013 10:34:03 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: SeekAndFind
If the UN voted to confiscate all American privately held guns, the left would want to re-start the draft.
22 posted on 08/30/2013 10:35:37 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The President does not need permission from Congress to legally go to war. It is a reasonable question to ask though.

The President does not need permission from a foreign body to legally go to war. It is a traitorous person who even considers the legal need for foreign permission.


23 posted on 08/30/2013 10:37:52 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: biff

Democrats cant be crackers. Cracker is a slavery term, and everyone knows that it was the Democrats who were the anti-slavery party. /sarc.


24 posted on 08/30/2013 10:38:01 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: bkepley
Shut the *&^% up Carter, anyway.

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Even a broken clock.... etc..

25 posted on 08/30/2013 10:46:02 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: cotton1706
When is this 89 year old embarrassment going to die??

Not soon enough.

26 posted on 08/30/2013 10:46:34 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Anytime a dem wants to go to war, they SHOULD have to take that step of getting UN buy-in, since THEY’RE the ones pushing it.


27 posted on 08/30/2013 10:47:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA

I guess I should add the /sarc... just in case my last msg gets misconstrued.


28 posted on 08/30/2013 10:48:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: bkepley

I would take Carter as President over 0bama ANY day. At least Carter is white and therefore accountable for his actions and our Congress wouldn’t be afraid of being called ‘racist’ if to challenge him, like they are with 0bama.


29 posted on 08/30/2013 10:48:46 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
First of all...I don't need the un to give me advice on anything.
They need to get the hell out of MY country.

Secondly shut up jimmy, it's way past your time to go away.

Third of all where the hell are the people we're paying to represent us in congress?
Why are they not screaming at the top of their lungs to stop this?

And fourth of all, when will they finally stand up for the victims and their families from Fort Hood?
Why don't they tell the truth about the takeover of our country by islamic radicals?
30 posted on 08/30/2013 10:54:39 AM PDT by novemberslady (Texas For President)
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To: mbarker12474
Please refer to the Constitution:

Congress shall declare war...

This has always meant that if a president wants to declare war, he has to get their approval.

A declaration of war is not always necessary, however, but normally a president needs to get the formal support of Congress. Bush was very careful to get support, even when going into a situation where our enemy was not another state, initially, but terrorist groups and a couple of states (loosely understood, in the case of Afghanistan) that were thought to be supporting them. But he was actually was supported by Congress and everybody else when he went into Afghanistan and even into Iraq (which I think was not a bad thing but ended badly when we started kowtowing to Islam).

Clinton, the left's golden boy, had actually gotten all of his "authorization" to support the Muslims in Bosnia from the UN, which of course was completely manipulated by its Islamic members, and the Dems let Americans be UN troops.

Obama isn't having as much luck. This is partly because his obnoxious behavior has pissed off Europe and partly he doesn't understand Islam and doesn't realize that his being a Sunni supporter (because he believes it's the most anti-Western Islam) is upsetting other Muslims. He thought he would be their hero. But it's also because he doesn't realize that the Saudis want to keep the good times rolling for their princes and they don't want him to interfere with it.

The problem is that Obama, loose cannon in chief, could set off a true conflagration in the ME that could involve the entire world.

31 posted on 08/30/2013 10:55:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’m not sure where it is in “international law” that you need “broad support from NATO and the Arab League”.


32 posted on 08/30/2013 11:03:08 AM PDT by marron
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Only Two Days Until
September.

Less than $3.1k to go!!
We can do this!!

33 posted on 08/30/2013 11:05:07 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: ScottinVA; cotton1706

Maybe Mandela and Carter can hold hands on that day as the Gates Of Hell open. Then reserve a table for BO.


34 posted on 08/30/2013 11:07:29 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: bkepley

The expert on mediocrity and criticism of America weighs in. I don’t give a Rats A** about what the U.N. says. The fact is action without the approval of the U.S. Congress is illegal. Where are all the protestors that bashed Bush? Where is Biden with the threat of impeachment? If these people could be any more shallow they would be on the other side of the earth.


35 posted on 08/30/2013 11:09:15 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Damn. When you’re a liberal, and you’ve lost Jimmy Carter, you’ve lost the war.


36 posted on 08/30/2013 11:09:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: novemberslady

Unfortunately our voice, the Congress, has been rendered useless. They are more interested in the power and money. The courts and President run the entire show.


37 posted on 08/30/2013 11:12:55 AM PDT by Guardian Sebastian
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To: Mouton

Excellent post! You articulated what I was thinking. We need to embrace any situation which might further emasculate B-HO and keep him away from ANY big boy decisions, as much as possible.


38 posted on 08/30/2013 11:13:24 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

So not only was Desert One a mistake, it was illegal too Mr. Persident?

Err.... Ummm... I’m late for my Exlax... Err...


39 posted on 08/30/2013 11:13:52 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Even Jimmah Carter is rarely like a broken clock ....

40 posted on 08/30/2013 11:17:11 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Okay that’s it. This is definitely Armageddon now if Russia, Syria and Carter make more sense than our President and Secretary of State.


41 posted on 08/30/2013 11:22:27 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: colorado tanker
I thought intervention was a bad idea. But after hearing Carter’s latest asinine statement, I guess I need to reconsider.

LOL!
Yup, one anti-American moron vs another anti-American moron. I can at least take solace in the fact that although I agree with the 2nd worst President in US history that we should not intervene in Syria, I disagree with him about the reason. The UN carries zero authority. They should curl up and die. At a minimum we should evict those gelded bureaucrats from our shores.

42 posted on 08/30/2013 11:25:21 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
There is no reason to need UN authority to act in our own national interest.

Now, getting Congressional approval, especially when the country is so divided about this, is another matter.

43 posted on 08/30/2013 11:30:31 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

44 posted on 08/30/2013 11:33:05 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jimmah Carter, the Israel-hating United Nations tool.

Hey Jimmah, why don’t you go on permanent vacation with Boutrous-Boutrous??


45 posted on 08/30/2013 11:37:40 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

You won’t believe this, but the Obama admin is going to attack Syria over being outraged by what they saw... in YouTube videos.


46 posted on 08/30/2013 11:46:25 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jimmah, go find McCain and both of you—shut up!


47 posted on 08/30/2013 12:39:19 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Your post sums it up excellently.


48 posted on 08/30/2013 12:39:59 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Youtube with Biden at that time warning President GW not to start military action against Iran without approval from Congress. If GW did, Biden promised to start impeachment proceedings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dRFJ6CF2Mw&feature=player_embedded

One might ask Joe, “Why not now Joe if your Obozo Liar bombs Syria?” Oh, sorry I forgot: IOKIYAD (It’s OK If You’re A Democrat).


49 posted on 08/30/2013 2:06:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Liar and his thugs in his outhouse lie 24/7/365. They are unable to tell the truth.)
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To: DannyTN

“LOL, Carter manages to be wrong about whose authorization we need and manages to throw Obama under the bus at the same time.”

Quote of the day!


50 posted on 08/30/2013 4:22:45 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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