posted on 08/30/2013 2:43:11 PM PDT
posted on 08/30/2013 2:45:48 PM PDT
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
If true (and I don’t trust Obama even as much as I trust the average communist tyrant), this still does not justify an attack in Syria, where we have no national interest and no “good guys” we would like to see win. What is the point of sending a signal at the risk of American lives when we have already made it completely clear that the spineless wimp in our White House doesn’t want to get involved?
posted on 08/30/2013 2:46:42 PM PDT
("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
Just like the Boston Atrocity, where the passport
requirements were CONVENIENTLY waived for the terrorists
to let them back in to kill Americans.
This Administration is behind terrorists attacks from Hasan
Obama was way too busy spying on his enemies (the American people) to bother with this stuff.
posted on 08/30/2013 2:48:59 PM PDT
by Jim Robinson
(Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
When Obama found out the intel was a bunch of youtube videos, that was all he needed to know!
So what, Zero allowed this to happen like Benghazi in a effort to butch up his Pansy A** ? I guess it’s okay to put Americans in harms way and spend taxpayer money to punish an act of a foreign government in their own country( if it was the Assad Regime) but not okay to prevent the slaughter of innocent people. All this points out again is that Zero is a evil bastard.
posted on 08/30/2013 2:50:41 PM PDT
(I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
The disclosure -- part of a larger U.S. intelligence briefing on Syria's chemical attacks -- raises all sorts of uncomfortable questions for the American government.
Ten years ago, this sentence would have been written a little differently:
The disclosure -- part of a larger U.S. intelligence briefing on Syria's chemical attacks -- raises all sorts of uncomfortable questions for the Bush administration..
posted on 08/30/2013 2:53:25 PM PDT
by Steely Tom
(If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013
This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News and Yahya Ababneh.
However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry, said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a tube-like structure while others were like a huge gas bottle.
Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regimes heartland of Latakia on Syrias western coast, in purported retaliation.
They didnt tell us what these arms were or how to use them, complained a female fighter named K. We didnt know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.
When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them, she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.
A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named J agreed. Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material, he said.
We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions, J said.
Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.
The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.
More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.
In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandars role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.
Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.
Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russias naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russias Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord, Ingersoll wrote.
I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, Bandar allegedly told the Russians.
Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise, Ingersoll wrote.
Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy, he added.
According to U.K.s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandars intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was serious about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.
They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldnt: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout, it said.
Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabias top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.
To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan. The newspaper reports that he met with the uneasy Jordanians about such a base:
His meetings in Amman with Jordans King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. The king would joke: Oh, Bandars coming again? Lets clear two days for the meeting, said a person familiar with the meetings.
Jordans financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.
Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.
But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as al-Habib or the lover by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.
Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washingtons rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called limited strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:
Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.
It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.
Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .
Dale Gavlak is a Middle East correspondent for Mint Press News and has reported from Amman, Jordan, writing for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC. An expert in Middle Eastern affairs, Gavlak covers the Levant region, writing on topics including politics, social issues and economic trends. Dale holds a M.A. in Middle Eastern Studies from the University of Chicago. Contact Dale at firstname.lastname@example.org
Yahya Ababneh is a Jordanian freelance journalist and is currently working on a masters degree in journalism, He has covered events in Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Libya. His stories have appeared on Amman Net, Saraya News, Gerasa News and elsewhere.
posted on 08/30/2013 2:55:35 PM PDT
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
This is what happens when you elect morons to
My god what a mess they are making.
posted on 08/30/2013 2:56:09 PM PDT
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
obama is completely in the tank for his Saudi masters. He’s a plant, everything he does benefits them.
posted on 08/30/2013 3:14:24 PM PDT
(Vladimir Putin is MY President)
Uh...wouldn’t that make the Obama administration an accessory to murder?
The new intelligence assessment doesn't definitively answer whether the attack was ordered by the highest ranks of the government, or if it was the work of a rogue military officer. But remarks this afternoon by Secretary of State John Kerry made it clear that the Obama administration is holding Syrian President Bashar al-Assad responsible.
Interesting turn of events for the IRS scandal too.
posted on 08/30/2013 3:22:26 PM PDT
("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
Intel = in on the planing loop?
posted on 08/30/2013 3:31:06 PM PDT
I’d be willing to bet that the Israelis provided this intel.
Why should I believe a word of this war drum propaganda??? Slam dunk again?
posted on 08/30/2013 3:53:31 PM PDT
(FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
All part of Wag the Dog.
Of course they had evidence. But not the evidence they are shoveling out to the public right now.
posted on 08/30/2013 4:04:00 PM PDT
(The monsters are due on Maple Street)
Pretty good psyops.
Bet that even the Syrian gov did not know they were going to use chemical weapons three days ahead of time.
Syrian officials are going to start a circular firing squad to eliminate the leakage, all the while fearing that there are yet other traitors in their ranks.
And nobody is going to pay attention to the contradictory statements coming out of Washington (for example, the claim that the evidence of Syrian army involvement was a tapped phone call after the attack, when now they are claiming to have had evidence before the attack).
posted on 08/31/2013 9:21:35 AM PDT
("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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