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Star power: Bill Clinton vs. Sarah Palin in Obamacare fight (Also, FReep a poll)
MSNBC's Politics Nation with Al Sharpton ^ | August 29, 2013 | Morgan Whitaker

Posted on 08/30/2013 5:12:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 08/30/2013 5:15:26 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

With just over a month until the Affordable Care Act reaches a major milestone, as the law’s insurance exchanges are rolled out, the battle over the law is heating up again. Both sides are bringing out their biggest stars.

Supporters will get help from Bill Clinton, who will resume his role as “Secretary of Explaining Stuff” next week at his presidential library in Arkansas, where he will give a major policy speech covering the Affordable Care Act and the changes ahead.


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Do you see what keeps happening here? Gov. Palin is matched up against Mr. Obama or President Clinton, by which doing they put her on the same level. Do you think they realize what they're doing? They've been doing it for over five years now. The 2008 election and since.
1 posted on 08/30/2013 5:12:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sara Palin's comment on twitter a bit ago.

“So we’re bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And I’m the idiot?” - Sarah...

LOL
2 posted on 08/30/2013 5:14:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She has gotten so much free rent peoples heads i love it


3 posted on 08/30/2013 5:14:53 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Be sure to wear your waist waders to Bubba’s speech. It will be piled pretty deep.


4 posted on 08/30/2013 5:18:26 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BJ Clinton is unprepared to do battle with Sarah....it’s clearly not a fair fight


5 posted on 08/30/2013 5:19:05 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: cripplecreek

I hope Sarah’s facebook post accompanying that tweet is posted here..WOW she totally b*tch slapped Obama and everyone supporting bombing Syria


6 posted on 08/30/2013 5:28:45 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: All

Clinton will be the slush fund building in Little Rock. I wonder how long since he’s been to his home state. That’s the home state he abandoned as soon as he didn’t need the useful idiots anymore. And by the way, he left Arkansas in the red for the first time in history.


7 posted on 08/30/2013 5:30:45 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She should stay clear of that creep.


8 posted on 08/30/2013 5:35:41 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Clinton has a chance it will be by taking the discussion off point to win on some irrelevant collateral point that is not substantive. The argument for failed, poverty-ridden Socialism and government coercion is crushed every time in the forum of ideas in both historical fact and theory by the argument for robust and wealth-creating free markets and individual freedom. It’s no contest. The only thing the Socialists can do is keep the discussion off point which is what the Leftists with media support do all the time.


9 posted on 08/30/2013 5:35:59 PM PDT by PapaNew
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Only Two Days Until
September.

Less than $2.3k to go!!
We can do this!!

10 posted on 08/30/2013 5:36:32 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The comments from the aniti-Palin people on there are priceless. One example from one liberal idiot who thinks Palin is an idiot:

"(Palin) thinks South Africa is a CONTINENT"

Wrong, you idiot. In the first place, as the urban legend goes, Palin thought Africa is a country. And, as I have pointed out, thats an urban legend. Palin never said that. You cant even get the urban legend right. How rich it is for morons like that think other people are stupid. With political opponents as dumb as that, no wonder Palin isnt worried.

11 posted on 08/30/2013 5:41:24 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For those who may have forgotten what kind of a President Bill Clinton was:

1) Clinton’s own words show his often expressed innate hostility to, and utter contempt for, the core principles of the American founding:

``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

``The purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people’’ –- Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

``We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…that we forget about reality.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, quoted in USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A, ``NRA change: `Omnipotent to powerful’’’ by Debbie Howlett

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly… that they would work for the common good, as well as for the individual welfare… However, now there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.” – Bill Clinton, April 19, 1995

2) Clinton inevitably pursued his own political advantage at the expense of American interests and national security. Here is just one of many possible examples:

It is well documented that Clinton and the Democrats took illegal campaign money from groups and individuals tied directly to the Chinese People’s Republican Army. It is therefore not surprising that In January 1998 Clinton went against the advice of then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher and Pentagon experts by lifting long-standing restrictions against the export of American satellites to China for launch on Chinese rockets. Not only did he move control over such decisions from the more security-focused State Department to the Commerce Department, but he intervened in a Justice Department investigation of Loral Space & Communications, retroactively enabling Loral to sell critical missile technology to the Chinese. Interestingly enough, Clinton’s decision was made at the request of Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz, whose earlier $1.3 million campaign donation made him the single biggest contributor to the Democratic election effort.

The result, as stated eloquently by syndicated columnist Linda Bowles, was that “the Democrats got money from satellite companies and from Chinese communists; China got supercomputors, advanced production equipment and missile technology; Loral got its satellites launched at bargain basement prices . . . and the transfer of sensitive missile technology gave China [for the first time] the capability of depositing bombs on American cities.” Incidentally, Loral ultimately failed to benefit from this permanent injury to America’s security interests: in July 2003, the company filed for bankruptcy protection, and in order to raise cash was forced to sell its most profitable business – a fleet of communications satellites orbiting over North America.

3) On two occasions, Clinton used military action for the specific purpose of distracting the American public from the fallout of the Lewinsky affair:

• On August 20, three days after Clinton finally admitted publicly to the Lewinsky affair, the news media was poised to focus on that day’s grand jury testimony by Monica Lewinsky. That same morning, Clinton personally went on national television to gravely announce his bombing of a Sudanese “chemical weapons factory,” and a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. It was the first time most Americans ever heard the name of Osama bin Laden. The factory bombing in Sudan killed an innocent night watchman, but accomplished little else. It later was proven that the plant was making badly needed pharmaceuticals for people in that poverty-stricken part of the world, but no chemical weapons.

Several months later, the U.S. Center for Nonproliferation Studies, part of the Monterey Institute of International Studies, stated: "...the evidence indicates that the facility had no role whatsoever in chemical weapons development." Kroll Associates, one of the world's most reputable investigative firms, also confirmed that there was no link in any way between the plant and any terrorist organization. As for the Afghanistan bombing, it failed to do any damage at all to bin Laden or his organization. Clinton’s action was accurately characterized by George W. Bush when he said right after 9-11: "When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.

Clinton’s pointless and murderous military actions did not make Americans safer that day, although they did destroy an innocent life, and for all the good they did certainly could have been delayed in any case. But they did succeed in diverting media attention from Lewinsky’s grand jury testimony for a 24-hour news cycle, which was the main point. So I guess, they weren’t a total loss.

•On December 16, 1998, on the eve of the scheduled House vote on his impeachment, Bill Clinton launched a surprise bombing attack on Baghdad. As justification for this exploit, he cited the urgent threat that Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction posed to America, and the need for immediate action. Almost immediately, the House Democrats held a caucus and emerged calling for a delay in the impeachment proceedings. House minority leader Dick Gephardt made a statement: "We obviously should pass a resolution by saying that we stand behind the troops. I would hope that we do not take up impeachment until the hostilities have completely ended."

Conveniently, a delay so near the end of the House term would have caused the vote to be taken up in the next session – when the newly elected House membership would be seated with more Democratic representation, thereby improving Clinton’s chances of dodging impeachment.

The Republicans did, in fact, agree to delay the hearings, but only for a day or two. Amazingly, Clinton ended the bombing raid after only 70 hours -- once it became clear that in spite of the brief delay, the vote would still be held in the current session.

Once the bombing stopped, Clinton touted the effectiveness and importance of the mission. As reported by ABC News : “We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure,” he said. Defense secretary William Cohen echoed the point: “We estimate that Saddam's missile program has been set back by at least a year.”

Whether or not one buys Clinton’s assessment of that mission, it is difficult to believe that its timing was so critical that it required commencement virtually at the moment the House was scheduled to vote on the impeachment. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that Clinton cynically deployed US military assets and placed military personnel in harm’s way for purely political reasons.

4) Clinton’s reckless sexual behavior was a threat to American national security:

Clinton and his supporters have been very effective in persuading large numbers of Americans that the Lewinsky scandal was “only about sex.” But I see a bigger issue here, because Clinton is on record as saying that he would have done anything to keep knowledge of the Lewinsky affair from becoming public.

To me, that statement raises a very serious question: What if, instead of sending her recorded Lewinsky conversations to Ken Starr, Linda Tripp had instead secretly offered them for sale, say, to the Chinese government? Or to the Russians? Or even to agents of Saddam?

What kind of blackmail leverage would those tapes have provided to a foreign government in dealing with America on sensitive trade, security or military issues? One of the few things Clinton ever said that I believe is that he would have done anything to keep the Lewinsky affair secret. Given his demonstrated track record of selling out American interests for personal or political gain (and there are more examples that I could have cited here), how far would he have gone in compromising America’s real interests in order to protect his own neck when threatened with blackmail?

Pretty far, I believe. Equally distressing is the prospect Clinton might, in fact, have succumbed to foreign black mail on other occasions in order to hide different sexual episodes that ultimately did not become public. There is no way to know, of course, but I prefer presidents for whom such a scenario is not a plausible possibility.

And don’t even get me started on the war crime in Kosovo.

WAR IN KOSOVO

During Bill Clinton’s 1999 NATO-led war in Kosovo – which according to some estimates cost as much as $75 billion – we bombed Belgrade for 78 days, killed almost 3,000 civilians, and shredded the civilian infrastructure (including every bridge across the Danube.)

We devastated the environment, bombed the Chinese embassy, came very close to engaging in armed combat against Russian forces, and in general, pursued a horrific and inhumane strategy to rain misery on the civilian population of Belgrade in order to pressure Milosevic into surrendering.

Why did we do all that? The US did not even have an arguable interest in the Balkans, and no one ever tried to claim that Serbia represented any kind of threat to our nation or our interests.

But for months the Clinton administration had told us that Milosevic was waging a vicious genocide against Albanian Muslims, and needed to be stopped. The New York Times called it a “humanitarian war.” In March 1999 – the same month that the bombing started – Clinton’s State Department publicly suggested that as many as 500,000 Albanian Kosovars had been murdered by Milosevic’s regime. In May of that year, as the bombing campaign was drawing to a close, Secretary of Defense William Cohen lowered that estimate 100,000.

Five years after the bombing, after all the forensic investigations had been completed, the prosecutors at Milosevic’s “War Crimes” trial in the Hague were barely been able to document a questionable figure of perhaps 5,000 “bodies and body parts.” During the war, the American people were told that Kosovo was full of mass graves filled with the bodies of murdered Albanian Muslims. But none were ever found.

BILL CLINTON ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE

During the election cycle of 1992, George H.W. Bush lost his job after Bill Clinton hammered him relentlessly for having caused the “worst economy of the last 50 years.”

In fact, as CNN’s Brooke Jackson has reported: “Three days before Christmas 1992, the National Bureau of Economic Research finally issued its official proclamation that the recession had ended 21 months earlier. What became the longest boom in U.S. history actually began nearly two years before Clinton took office.” See (See http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/31/jackson.recession.primer.otsc/).

By the same token, Clinton is generally perceived as having a stellar economic record during his own presidency, in spite of the fact that the economy was already starting to decline during the last year of his term after the stock market crashed in March 2000.

According to a report by MSNBC: “The longest economic expansion in U.S. history faltered so much in the summer of 2000 that business output actually contracted for one quarter, the government said Wednesday in releasing a comprehensive revision of the gross domestic product. Based on new data, the Commerce Department said that the GDP — the country’s total output of goods and services — shrank by 0.5 percent at an annual rate in the July-September quarter of 2000.” See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3676690/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/gdp-figures-revised-downward/.

12 posted on 08/30/2013 5:42:52 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go Sarah!!!! Sign & Endorse the Lee/Cruz Defund Obamacare Petition!!!!!

- (WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM)

- (WWW.DONTFUNDIT.COM)


13 posted on 08/30/2013 5:43:15 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: lowbridge

Nor did she say she could see Russia from her house. Tina Fey said that. Libs have a lot of gall calling anyone stupid.


14 posted on 08/30/2013 5:43:49 PM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: lowbridge

Sarah Palin must be dumb. I’ll bet she doesn’t even speak Austrian. LOL


15 posted on 08/30/2013 5:45:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Read this kick-ass post from a Hot Air blogger:

Will Obamacare be repealed or won’t it? Will Congress fund it or won’t it? Blah, blah, blah. We the people just need to do what we need to do and Congress be damned. Resist. Refuse. Revolt. We did not comply with Prohibition and we simply should not comply with Obamacare. For religious reasons. For privacy reasons.

For the cause of liberty and freedom and in protest of the idea that the federal government (under one party rule, no less), can force private citizens to purchase anything with our own money. Are we citizens or subjects? Mice or men(women)? Just say NO to socialism and to the corrupt, unionized, far left IRS, the gestapo of America’s political class. After all, the federal government ignores millions of illegals who are breaking U.S. immigration law every day and nothing happens to them. Selective enforcement of our laws is just as UN-Constitutional as the Obamacare law itself! (Supreme Court be damned as well). Our Founder pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. All we have to do is just say no to a scheme we all know is un-American and a violation of the most basic fundamentals of privacy, self reliance, limited government and individual freedom that founded this nation.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/29/afl-cio-head-trumka-were-working-with-the-administration-on-obamacare-to-find-solutions/

devan95 on August 29, 2013 at 11:51 PM

16 posted on 08/30/2013 5:52:13 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: lowbridge; cripplecreek; onyx; Abbeville Conservative; abigailsmybaby; afnamvet; alley cat; ...
Ping to Sarah's Awesome List!

One is a Washed Up Political Hack who should have long been put out to pasture and only stays in the for the Money.

The Other is Sarah Palin.

And she has more integrity in her pinkie than Der Slickmiester has in his whole body.


17 posted on 08/30/2013 6:05:48 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: cripplecreek
Woo-Hoo!

Go Sarah!!!

18 posted on 08/30/2013 6:11:45 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I just posted it on Frontpage news :-)


19 posted on 08/30/2013 6:18:13 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: American Dream 246

Thanks so much :-)


20 posted on 08/30/2013 6:21:03 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: KC_Lion; FReepers; Patriots; FRiends




Less than $2.3k to go!!

We can do this!!

Please Make Your Donation Today/Tonight!!

21 posted on 08/30/2013 6:22:18 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx; KC_Lion; All

Less than $2.3k to go!!

We can do this!!

22 posted on 08/30/2013 6:27:57 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: cripplecreek

This is why we love Sarah.


23 posted on 08/30/2013 7:33:57 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I got an email today from the assclown, crying about Sarah’s opposition to Obamacare.


24 posted on 08/30/2013 7:47:06 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: lowbridge

The LIV’s continue to call Palin “stupid” while displaying their own ignorance and stupidity.

Sadly, these people are allowed to vote.


25 posted on 08/31/2013 2:26:48 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Ask the MSM about Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. Observe the subsequent blank stares.)
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To: Maceman

Yet the LIV’s still think Clinton was Impeached over a “BJ”

If only we had a half-way honest media, these charlatans would never get elected.

But they’re not journalists, they are enablers.


26 posted on 08/31/2013 2:30:23 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Ask the MSM about Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. Observe the subsequent blank stares.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t clinton and his ilk exempt from obamacare?


27 posted on 08/31/2013 3:31:02 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Secretary of Explaining Stuff”

*SNORT*

Like explaining away other women to your wife? LOL!


28 posted on 08/31/2013 6:39:10 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Exactly. Come October 1st, I will officially become Amish. :)


29 posted on 08/31/2013 6:41:52 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dynachrome
This needs some weapons grade FReepin,:

Who do you think will have a greater impact on the debate?

Thank you for voting!
Bill Clinton 74.97%







(I had to put some extra space between Slick Willie and Sarah)
Sarah Palin 17.42%
They'll both inspire their base, 6.69%
Other: 1%
30 posted on 08/31/2013 7:18:57 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: deadrock
She should stay clear of that creep.

Applause with the gif that gets pulled of Orson Wells clapping.

He is just so ewww.....

31 posted on 08/31/2013 8:37:31 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Are the Amish exempt?


32 posted on 08/31/2013 8:45:31 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

BUMP. Great post. Thank you.


33 posted on 08/31/2013 8:46:20 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Yes and Mennonites.
I’d recommend Mennonite because they can use machinery and drive.


34 posted on 08/31/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; 45semi; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
Needs some industrial strength freepin'! Thanks to AZ.44mag for da ping!

FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. (multiple votes using multiple internetz devices are allowed!) And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin', if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)

35 posted on 08/31/2013 9:47:18 AM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, I went there (MSNBC) and voted for Sarah, but now I need to take a shower in bleach.


36 posted on 08/31/2013 9:50:50 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: cripplecreek

Clever girl that Sarah!


37 posted on 08/31/2013 11:09:44 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: cripplecreek

Ha!

BTTT


38 posted on 08/31/2013 12:16:36 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank you for voting!
Bill Clinton 74.29%

Sarah Palin 17.95%

They'll both inspire their base, 6.8%

Other: 0.96%

What the heck is "other"
39 posted on 08/31/2013 6:38:30 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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