Could a rebel dropped Chemical Weapon lead to war

vanity | 31 August 2013` | Trueblackman

[Trueblackman]

Okay Freeper Family, you know President Obama is itching to pull the trigger on Syria to deflect from his failed policies and train wreak administration, but something about all the evidence of a Syrian Government Chemical Attack just does not pass the smell test.

Many of you know I am a veterans and here is where I need some of my fellow vets to help me understand something. Mr. Kerry in his push for action stated that less than 1,500 people were killed in a government launched chemical attack, now that is a very low number of deaths from a chemical shells or bombs dropped, the amount kinetic energy released in both cases would have lead to a great number of deaths as the surrounding building would have has a fog effect on the agents once released hanging low to the ground.

Now I have seen film of mishandling of weapons from WW2 and peace time accidents, while in the NAVY and this seems to a classic case of just that as the low number of deaths and lack of surrounding damage to the target area.

[Trueblackman]

The following article seems to support my assessment of this theory.....http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

[no-to-illegals]

No doubt. Ruses are common out of D.C. in this day. It was the videos fault after all.

[no-to-illegals]

one point point True and then will be gone ... to tell the truth nobody is certain of the death toll. Could be lower than what Americans are being led to believe by those in power and giving out the numbers. Is difficult to trust any of them is my problem and perspective.

[Repeal The 17th]

http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

[mylife]

He is itching bad, but I think he has shown his hand and the world has said no.
He won’t do a thing.
He balked.

He has to be most uncomfortable at the moment.

[Yosemitest]

There are several sources that have identified the source of the chemical attack came from Saudi Prince Bandar
and "the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced

that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast".

Remember, that's just one of many sources.

STATE DEPT. SPOKESWOMAN ADMIT U.S. DOESN'T KNOW IF ASSAD ORDERED CHEMICAL ATTACK




Toxic Catch: SYRIA REBELS' CHEMICAL LAB Uncovered Near Damascus, ( 4:51 )

Published on Jul 14, 2013

Syrian state TV says the military has found a chemical laboratory
which produces poisonous materials in the town of Jobar on the outskirts of Damascus.
Sources claim the REBELS were planning to stuff shells with the chemicals and use them to attack the capital.
RT's Middle East correspondent Paula Slier reports.

The Muslims are guilty of the chemical attack, not the Christians, and the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF knows it.
But the ARAB-KENYANand MUSLIM defiling the Oval Office doesn't care.
Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) just want to turn Syria into another Muslim Brotherhood run country, and kill Christians.
It's just that simple!

If you want to AIR STRIKE someone, strike the GUILTY ONES, Saudia Arabia, and Saudi Prince Bandar, along with ALL the Muslim Brotherhood.
And strike the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, while you're at it.

[no-to-illegals]

Am always happy to see someone, especially you, on the top of the mountain when it comes to coming in with the moistest of the most in information available. Thank You!

[Chode]

pls take what's said at the examiner with a helthy dose of salt... from:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examiner.com

Examiner.com is a multiuser blogging site that presents itself as a news site. Don't be fooled.

Examiner.com pays its writers based (among other things) on pageviews.^[1] As a result, a lot of Examiner material tends to be sensationalistic to attract attention — positive or negative doesn't matter, it's all clicks. Headlines such as "U.S. to bomb moon on UFO witness John Lennon's birthday"^[2] and "Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent"^[3] are par for the course.

You will see enthusiastic Examiner bloggers linkspamming furiously on other sites, often touting their work as "media coverage" (and themselves as "journalists" or "the press"^[4]) rather than just a blog post they themselves wrote. Not that it pays very well — Writers Weekly considers it "just another pay-per-click meat market,"^[5][6] exploiting writers to attract people to their site by paying them pennies.

Cranks and those with really bad critical thinking skills will link Examiner articles as if they're edited journalism rather than just some guy blogging. If you use an Examiner page as a reference for anything whatsoever, treat it with great caution. Not all Examiners are rubbish, but it's the way to bet.

The domain name used to be owned by the San Francisco Examiner, a proper (if free and local) newspaper, which now uses sfexaminer.com. It's not clear what they were thinking when giving it up.

[Cyber Liberty]

I see the mods moved this to “news.” Great!

Thank you for you service and for your observations. I think you are correct. Nobody is ever going to know for sure how this trigger got pulled. But I do want to know from where these weapons came.

[no-to-illegals]

Is Mint news part of the examiner?

[no-to-illegals]

my apology True ... may be here for a while longer. Thanks for helping ... and believe me ... your post helps.

[no-to-illegals]

The truth maybe is Iraq.

[The Bat Ladys Husband]

As a former NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) trained officer I was taught that blister agents (primarily mustard agent) and Sarin and VX (nerve agents) are “persistent” agents and areas contaminated by these agents must be decontaminated before unprotected access is allowed. In spite of this, the videos show unprotected personnel treating casualties. I would have to agree that this looks like a localized accident with the treatment being carried out outside the affected area.

[tennmountainman]

Was this gas military grade or home cooked? Was this gas stolen by the
Jihadist rebels and set off intentionally or by a accidental home cooking operation?
Did any missiles Syria lobbed hit a rebel home cooking operation or a stash
of stolen rebel chemicals?
The truth is, we don’t know!

[Cyber Liberty]

That’s what I suspect as well.

[no-to-illegals]

Also to be clear, am forced to agree with tennmountainman.

[Yosemitest]

Go get'em and nail'em to the wall.
Then if the Kenyan Turd wants "a little skin in the game", peel some off of HIM and let HIM feel the pain!

[Chode]

LOL, wouldn't surprise me...

[Trueblackman]

Thank for your input, now I was trained in NBC as I worked on the flight deck of carriers, but this seems to me that something was mishandled that caused a cook off of a chemical stock pile.

[no-to-illegals]

Truth is Chode I do not know. Would like to know if anyone has any information on prior Breaking News article from Mint News and was it legit. Am thinking it maybe was. Not certain but this is information that should be determined as fact or not fact.

[LibWhacker]

Don’t know if this means anything, but upwards of 10,000 people died in Bhopal and it has a population density that is only about one sixth as great as Damascus proper, according to Wiki. All other things being equal (wind speed and direction, lethality of the agent, amount of the agent, etc.), and they are probably not equal in this case, you would, indeed, expect a greater number of deaths in Damascus.

All I know for certain is Obama is leading and nobody is following.

[Chode]

i didn't see it, got a link??? thx...

[no-to-illegals]

link was removed but think I can find one. Hold on for about five minutes and I’ll email.

[Cyber Liberty]

Me too. Especial the last line. “We don’t know” is a bad reason to start shooting at them.

[no-to-illegals]

Amen ... if it was assad it should be proved beyond We don’t Know, and I have no doubt zer0 and his crowd do not know either. Maybe there is a chance to stop this insanity or maybe not ... Truth is I do not know but am willing to give sanity a chance. Hope our congress is willing to give sanity a chance. Time is not on our side but perhaps God still is. No doubt ... will soon find out.

[Cyber Liberty]

The way I see it, a healthy dose of the insanity is on our side of the pond.

[no-to-illegals]

email should be there Chode.

[no-to-illegals]

Great Britain pleasantly surprised me. Glad they did. May sanity migrate this way out of our mother country. Could be the Angel of Maggie paid a visit. Maybe the Angel of Ronnie is on the way. One can still pray and I am praying Cyber.

[Chode]

check yours...

[no-to-illegals]

found a link but my anti-virus is block my viewing of Mint Press. Should be fairly easy to see if you encounter same results I did from previous search engine. Typed in Mint Press and Headline and on second page was the Mint Press link.

[no-to-illegals]

10-4

[Cyber Liberty]

Bhopal was a huge leak, it happened noiselessly in the dead of night, and there wasn’t a war going on. I don’t think they can be compared fully. But it is useful to contemplate because of the factors you mention. Also that lake in the Congo that burped and killed a whole village.

And I don’t call what Obastard is doing “leading.” He made a stupid, off-the-script remark as a way to puff himself up during an election (IOW, a typical Obastard lie), and history has a way of turning around and biting you on the duff for that. The purpose of all of this theatre we’re seeing is to backfill that blunder.

[no-to-illegals]

back to you ... with an email

[Datom]

My question is, “Who has greater reason(s) to use chemical warfare against civilians and children and why?” ..... the rebels or Assad. “Who would have the most to gain?”

[no-to-illegals]

Thank You for running against the wind. Much appreciation for your question.

[DJ Taylor]

Follow The Money

Sunni Muslims have been at war with Shiite Muslims for over a thousand years and no one paid attention to them killing each other, so why all of a sudden has our President taken sides in this Muslim domestic disturbance? One thing I’ve learned over the years is that when an issue like this just doesn’t make any sense, all you have to do is “follow the money” and it will all come into focus.

The first clue came in when I saw our President publicly bow and scrape before the King of Saudi Arabia (a Sunni Muslim). Could it have been because the King of Saudi Arabia financed Obama’s campaign? Remember, there are still large sums of money in Obama’s campaign coffers that haven’t been adequately explained.

If the King of Saudi Arabia now “owns” our President, it could explain why Obama has sided with the King’s Sunni Muslim rebels against Syria’s Shiite government, and it could also explain why Obama has prevented the development of U.S. oil resources and has effectively “killed” coal in the U.S. in order to keep our country dependent on foreign oil.

[Myrddin]

There is an article on Alex Jones' website that purports to be from Syrian "rebels" claiming that Saudi Arabia provided them chemical weapons, but failed to tell them that the weapons were chemical and failed to train them in handling the weapons. They were used without understanding what it was that they were firing. A bit like a monkey with a grenade. See the link for the details.

[The_Reader_David]

Not necessarily mishandling — quite possibly deliberate deployment in a mode which would decrease casualties. Remember that the (Sunni Muslim) Bosniaks shelled their own people in Sarajevo (the conclusion of Japanese investigators who had no axe to grind in the Balkans), knowing that NATO would blame the Serbs and intervene on their behalf. Obama’s “red line” rhetoric set up a situation where the Syrian branch of AQ had the same expectations, provided the atrocity blamed on Assad involved chemical weapons.

[familyop]

That’s a very high number of dead from an obvious nerve gas attack. It is very likely that the gas was delivered from aircraft or trucks and highly unlikely that it came from weapons improvised by guerrillas. Many of the victims were in dwellings separate from each other. It’s not politically expedient, but that’s the truth.

[sinsofsolarempirefan]

Alex Jones is a nutjob.

[familyop]

If launched from aircraft, the kinetic energy would be relatively mild (compared to, e.g., HE) and expended in the air before reaching the target.

[Cvengr]

When we find out everything about Benghazi, we’ll find out who was behind the chemical munition attack.

IMHO, Obama is the number one culprit.

[Ted Grant]

Gavlak reports he was told by rebels that the gas "attack" was the result of rebels mishandling the chemical weapons they acquired from the Saudis. He says in the Mint Press report the following:

"They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

The truth has a certain ring to it.

This story doesn't have that ring.

[familyop]

Another note. Nerve agents aren’t very hazardous for long (after the mist falls or blows away). There’s no indication from news or likelihood, given information published, that mustard or Sarin were used.

[gfbtbb]

Why not?

WWI was started buy a nut case coming out of a deli armed with a small caliber pistol. It’s not so much the event but the press you can get out of it.

All wars have reasons that are kept super secret and excuses that are created with the willing help of the press and refined to the greatest lie imaginable.

The retards in office want a war. They are looking for an excuse.They will find one or make one. We are in big do do.

[Chode]

volley...

[Sherman Logan]

Syria’s Shiite government

Syria is run by and for the Alawis, a minority religious sect. It's not entirely accurate to call them Shiites, as many Sunni and Shia Muslims don't really consider them Muslims at all, though in the last 50 years or so they have probably moved in the direction of more orthodox Muslim beliefs.

The Sunni/Shia split can be compared to Catholic/Protestant. While Catholicism has a good bit of diversity, it also has a great deal of consistency around the world. Meanwhile, the "everything else" nature of Protestantism means it is wildly diverse, with some groups that most Protestants and Catholics would not even classify as Christian.

[no-to-illegals]

10-4 Chode. Returned mail. Still seeking the elusive acorn.

[DNME]

Another former NBC type here.

Most chemical bombs or mortars have only a small “bursting charge” and not a full load of high explosive. A chemical round does little damage to buildings or anything else around it, since it goes off with a pop and not a boom.

Once released, chemical agents are affected by atmospheric conditions, i.e. a strong breeze can disperse the agents more quickly than a mild breeze, and there is no telling where the wind currents will create denser concentrations.

By the way, if the nerve agent Sarin was used — a big “if” — then skin contact is just as deadly, though slower, than inhalation. A little drop’ll do ya.

[Chode]

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