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Texas megachurch run by vaccine-denying preacher battles measles outbreak (Kenneth Copeland)
Daily Mail ^ | 8/28/2013

Posted on 08/31/2013 10:54:12 PM PDT by iowamark

A Texas megachurch connected to a pastor who has openly questioned the benefits of modern medicine has been forced to host vaccination clinics after 21 members of the congregation contracted measles.

The outbreak started when a person who contracted measles overseas visited Eagle Mountain International Church in Newark, located about 20 miles north of Fort Worth, Texas.

Officials with area health departments said those affected by the outbreak range in age from 4-months to 44-years-old.

All of the school-age children with measles were homeschooled, and the majority of those who were infected had not been vaccinated.

'If it finds a pocket of people who are unimmunized, and the majority of our cases are unimmunized so far, then if you are around a person with measles, you will get sick,' Russell Jones, chief epidemiologist for Tarrant County Public Health, said Monday...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that children get two doses of the combined vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, called the MMR.

The first dose should be when they are 12 to 15 months old and the second when they are 4 to 6 years old.

Vaccination opt-out rates nationwide have been creeping up since the mid-2000s, spurred in part by the belief the battery of vaccinations routinely given to infants could lead to autism despite scientific evidence to the contrary and the debunking of one of the most publicized studies that first fueled vaccine fears years ago...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: autism; church; fortworth; kennethcopeland; measles; mumps; newark; rubella; texas; vaccination; vaccine; vaccines
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1 posted on 08/31/2013 10:54:12 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark
Robert Hayes, risk manager with Kenneth Copeland Ministries, said they have held several vaccination clinics since the outbreak.
2 posted on 08/31/2013 10:56:15 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: iowamark

how many of those that contracted measles had the vaccination already?


3 posted on 08/31/2013 10:59:50 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: iowamark

looks like both vaccinated and unvaccinated contracted the disease. who got better faster I wonder? hmmm


4 posted on 08/31/2013 11:01:04 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: iowamark

there are always some risks to vaccinations, sometimes perhaps more than are acknowledged

but then again, there are risks to NOT getting vaccinations, too.

life is unfair, then you die.

it may be wiser to ask the good pastor about that (the next life), rather than relying too much on his medical advice for this life?


5 posted on 08/31/2013 11:10:15 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: iowamark
herd immunity only goes so far.

Looks like some lessons need to be re-learned. The hard way so it seems. Globull warming, ozone hole, NSA spying lies - not surprising that few believe anything the govt says.

This is one of those times that doubt (and lack of immunization) will cause suffering.

6 posted on 08/31/2013 11:13:50 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: faithhopecharity

I agree with your post. There are risks either way, but one should rely upon medical sources of information for medical decisions.

Vacination is not a cure all. Not much is said about the drawbacks, but they do exist. I think that a good frame of health is most important, with fresh foods, as illness like mumps and measles are usually of short duration if the patient is strong and well.


7 posted on 08/31/2013 11:21:36 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: faithhopecharity

Bump


8 posted on 08/31/2013 11:29:40 PM PDT by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: iowamark

Scam flim flam man


9 posted on 08/31/2013 11:33:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: I got the rope

At least 4 people of the people who got it were vaccinated, and possibly 1 additional. 16 were confirmed unvaccinated. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective which is why it is important that everyone get the,


10 posted on 08/31/2013 11:35:23 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: iowamark

Sometimes, medicine works faster than prayer.


11 posted on 08/31/2013 11:35:57 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: BlackVeil

we almost agree.
mumps and measles can be dangerous for little kids at times.
also, the measles virus can stay in you for years and then resurface again and you got shingles in your old age.
shingles can be very difficult for some people.

so.....I tend to take the vaccinations. I realize there are some risks with both the active and sometimes the inactive agents. So, I do not push other people to get all the vaccinations, but if they ask my opinion I tell them I get the shots myself...

at least we have these options available to us!!!
the most powerful and richest kings of just a couple hundred years ago....and Napoleon and all the rest...never had these opportunities


12 posted on 08/31/2013 11:40:34 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: BlackVeil

In the 60’s and early 70’s, before the vaccine, there were half a million cases a year, and 500 measles deaths a year in the US - about 1 out of every 1000 cases. Judge risk against that.


13 posted on 08/31/2013 11:41:53 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: I got the rope

What I think is interesting - neither I nor any of my friends had measles vaccinations back in the early 1940’s, nor did my children or their friends. Rather a common practice to go ahead and expose your kids to them when they were small and then we just didn’t worry about it. Same thing with chicken pox and mumps. Only vaccination my kids had was for DPT.


14 posted on 08/31/2013 11:44:43 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: faithhopecharity
mumps and measles can be dangerous for little kids at times. also, the measles virus can stay in you for years and then resurface again and you got shingles in your old age. shingles can be very difficult for some people.

Shingles is varicella-zoster - the chicken pox virus, not measles.

How many of the infected suffered serious, long-term effects from contracting measles? There seems to be a bit of an overreaction to this, as if everyone who contracted the measles suffered a horrible death.

15 posted on 08/31/2013 11:51:48 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: iowamark

How can one possibly love God and his neighbor if one is willing to let people die of diseases that God has given us the intellect to cure? That is like walking past an injured traveler rather than lending them aid like a good Samaritan. God gave us our brains for a reason.


16 posted on 08/31/2013 11:52:00 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Shethink13

oops sorry about that mistake.
thanks


17 posted on 08/31/2013 11:53:32 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: CitizenUSA

Being cured by something created be man is a sin. Same with eating certain foods and wearing certain types of cloth.


18 posted on 08/31/2013 11:55:16 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Grams A

Remember March of Dimes drives. German measles was a top five cause of birth defects.

Immunization has greatly reduced congenital birth defects.


19 posted on 08/31/2013 11:56:15 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: iowamark
"a pastor who has openly questioned the benefits of modern medicine"

So if you are against having children forcibly medicated by the government, you are against modern medicine.

20 posted on 08/31/2013 11:58:00 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: CitizenUSA

It’s like the man who refused to be rescued from a flood, because he had faith that God would save him, then when dies and asks God why he didn’t rescue him, God replies, “I sent you a car. I sent you a canoe. I sent you a motorboat. I sent you a helicopter. What more were you looking for?”


21 posted on 08/31/2013 11:58:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dallas59

Tell me more about wearing certain types of cloth, etc..


22 posted on 08/31/2013 11:59:59 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: Valpal1

Anyone remember German measles parties?


23 posted on 09/01/2013 12:00:49 AM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: BlackVeil

vaccination is not a cure all. it is too often oversold as a cure all. by medical folks we non-medical folks are often made to feel we have no right to question, much less refuse.

personally i laways like to look at how docs treat themselves. i am amazed at the percentage of how many do not decide to get flu shots each year. no less amazed at how many admit if they got cancer, how many would refuse chemo.

just as enlightening as the fact as a group, public school teachers send their kids to private schools at higher rates than the general public.


24 posted on 09/01/2013 12:02:08 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: iowamark

I had occasion to help a guy (pay for) attend a church-related ‘cure diabetes clinic’ ....
Two days into it, I discovered the clinic doctor had cancelled all insulin.
Cold turkey withdrawl, if you will.

We had a very long talk (since he kept saying he trusted his prayers to cure the patients’ diabetes ... and I said go ahead and pray but at least give the good Lord a few days to effectuate the cure...restore the insulin and carefully taper it down as you pray....and monitor the glucose levels.... so you can SEE God’s curative powers in action...or something like that....)
Anyway, the issue was resolved only when the doc’s wife told her husband that “all the gentleman wants you to do is practice medicine properly, dear, since you are a doctor after all....”

I really think that medical doctors are normally the ones to consult for medical advice, and pastors are the ones to consult for spiritual advice, and the twain should not ordinarily get too mixed up.

Both trades require a lot of learning and practitioners can make enough mistakes in their own trades without trying to mix into the other.

Just my opinion.


25 posted on 09/01/2013 12:02:41 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Shethink13

In the absence of vaccination, rubella is an endemic disease with epidemics every 6 to 9 years. During the 1962–1965 global rubella pandemic, an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases occurred in the United States, resulting in 2,000 cases of encephalitis, 11,250 therapeutic or spontaneous abortions, 2,100 neonatal deaths, and 20,000 infants born with CRS.[4]

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt15-crs.html#f4

Rubella is extremely dangerous to pregnant women in the first trimester when many do not even know they are pregnant.


26 posted on 09/01/2013 12:09:23 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: iowamark
"the majority of those who were infected had not been vaccinated

What are the numbers? For example, if 75% of the "anti-vaccine cult" population was not vaccinated, and if only 51% of those infected were not vaccinated, then the infections were higher among those who were vaccinated.

Clearly, the vaccination was ineffective for many who were vaccinated. This story is evidence against vaccination.

27 posted on 09/01/2013 12:10:38 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Valpal1
Your comments, while they may be of interest, are not pertinent because 1) this outbreak is measles, not rubella, two different diseases and 2) I queried how many during this outbreak in 2013 (not 1962-65) have serious, long-term consequences.

Many easily treated diseases had a greater potential for death or other serious consequences years ago.

28 posted on 09/01/2013 12:24:56 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: iowamark

I will never understand the mindset that can accept that God created disease, but not that he created doctors.

It reminds me of a favorite old joke/parable:

Bob is sitting on his porch as flood waters rise around his house. The sheriff comes by in a jon boat with a few of his neighbors. “Hop on, Bob,” the sheriff says. “Water’s still risin’. It’s not safe here.”

“Naw,” Bob says. “My trust is in the Lord. He will provide.”

The waters continue to rise, and now he’s on his roof. A state patrol motorboat pulls alongside. “Get in!” the trooper shouts over the rushing waters. “We’ve got to get you out of here!”

“Naw,” Bob says. “My trust is in the Lord. He will provide.”

The waters are still rising, now up to Bob’s chest as he sits on the peak of his roof. A Coast Guard helicopter arrives, framing Bob in its floodlights and lowering a rescue collar. “Feed your arms through the collar and we’ll pull you to safety,” the Coast Guard Pilot says.

“———” says Bob, inaudible over the sound of the chopper as he bats the rescue collar away.

After a few minutes, the chopper crew gives up and leaves to look for others. The waters rise over Bob’s head, and he drowns.

When Bob awakens, he is surrounded by a soft white light and feels a peaceful warmth pass over him. But he is not at peace. “Lord!” he cries in anguish. “I trusted in you, as you instructed in your Word. How could you forsake me in my hour of need?”

A booming voice seems to come from everywhere at once. “My child, I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What were you waiting for?”


29 posted on 09/01/2013 12:26:57 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: dfwgator

I posted mine before I saw yours. Great minds, etc.


30 posted on 09/01/2013 12:28:26 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: CitizenUSA
How can one possibly love God and his neighbor if one is willing to let people die of diseases that God has given us the intellect to cure? That is like walking past an injured traveler rather than lending them aid like a good Samaritan. God gave us our brains for a reason.

Did all these poor folks dies from the measles? How horrible!

31 posted on 09/01/2013 12:36:21 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Shethink13

Measles still has a 2-3% death rate in the US today and 30% in turd world countries and a 90% infection rate in non-vaccinated populations

That death rate would be higher if the vaccination rates were lower.

Measles also causes miscarriage, premature birth and low birth weight.


32 posted on 09/01/2013 12:36:43 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Dallas59
Being cured by something created be man is a sin. Same with eating certain foods and wearing certain types of cloth.

Right.


33 posted on 09/01/2013 1:03:35 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: iowamark

Vaccines are very good but not perfect.

Also I trust media about as far as I can throw them to tell us what this place really preached (though the foreign press usually gets US news events more accurate than our crazy MSM). A classical Christian approach would be to make it a matter of individual freedom and not preach that using the vaccine is either a sin or obligatory.


34 posted on 09/01/2013 1:17:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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The Bigger Story
35 posted on 09/01/2013 1:26:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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If vaccination is meant to protect against the disease, why are the vaccinated contracting it?


36 posted on 09/01/2013 1:35:57 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Valpal1
Measles still has a 2-3% death rate in the US today and 30% in turd world countries and a 90% infection rate in non-vaccinated populations

Not sure where you got these statistics, but as far as I can see the rate is more like 0.3%.

That death rate would be higher if the vaccination rates were lower.

No, it would not. The percentage of deaths is determined by the health/environmental factors of the infected population. Once the disease is contracted, being vaccinated or not makes no difference as vaccination is not a treatment and has no effect on the course of the disease. The raw numbers would naturally increase with the increased number of infections, but the death percentage would remain unchanged.

Measles also causes miscarriage, premature birth and low birth weight.

I heard it also causes global warming....

37 posted on 09/01/2013 2:15:33 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: iowamark

Guess you could say Copeland’s message went ‘viral’.


38 posted on 09/01/2013 2:24:10 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Fight with your head high, or grovel with your head low.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Right you are. I’m not letting anyone experiment on my children with dangerous, ineffective drugs.


39 posted on 09/01/2013 2:30:51 AM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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“A Texas megachurch connected to a pastor who has openly questioned the benefits of modern medicine has been forced to host vaccination clinics after 21 members of the congregation contracted measles. “

I hope he doesn’t question Newton’s laws of physics before deciding to jump off the Empire State Building.


40 posted on 09/01/2013 2:42:05 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama is the biggest joke. But I can't laugh.)
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To: humblegunner

Leviticus 19:19
Deuteronomy 22:11


41 posted on 09/01/2013 3:28:27 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Ken H

I remember chicken pox parties. Can’t remember measle parties. I had both types of measles, the mumps and chicken pox when I was little. My sisters eyesight was affected when she had the measles. I had No lasting effects. Wasn’t fun having them, but I think I have a pretty good immune system maybe due having these diseases?


42 posted on 09/01/2013 3:36:59 AM PDT by June2
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To: OldNewYork

Vaccines are not 100% effective, and the effect fades over time so if they haven’t had a booster they were probably not fully protected. Many people (myself included) haven’t had the shots since high school.


43 posted on 09/01/2013 3:39:40 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Vendome

‘zackly.


44 posted on 09/01/2013 3:54:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: June2
I had both types of measles, the mumps and chicken pox when I was little

Me too.
I entered public school in the 2nd grade. Came down with all of them that year. Missed so much school I had to take the grade again
Think I felt worse with the measles. Ran a fever so high I had hallucinations. Common practice was to keep the light in the patient's room very low.

45 posted on 09/01/2013 4:02:03 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: iowamark
and the majority of our cases are unimmunized
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Even when immunized some people do not respond by producing anti-bodies. They have a high probability of getting sick if exposed to the disease.

For example, I took the full course of Hepititis B vaccines but have never responded with antibodies.

46 posted on 09/01/2013 4:16:24 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: iowamark

That should be Hepatitis.


47 posted on 09/01/2013 4:16:52 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: UnwashedPeasant; MrShoop
At least 4 people of the people who got it were vaccinated, and possibly 1 additional.

Clearly, the vaccination was ineffective for many who were vaccinated. This story is evidence against vaccination.

Of the 21 people who contracted measles linked to the church, 16 were unvaccinated. The others may have had at least one vaccination but had no documentation.

Clearly the evidence is to the contrary. The majority of the people who were vaccinated did not contract measles, of the 21 who were initially infected, 16 of the unvaccinated became infected and infected other who were also unvaccinated. With the other 5, they may have been vaccinated but there is no documentation or they may have only received one shot and not the booster.

48 posted on 09/01/2013 4:53:54 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Dallas59
Being cured by something created be man is a sin. Same with eating certain foods and wearing certain types of cloth.

Spandex is the work of the devil!

49 posted on 09/01/2013 4:54:31 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: iowamark

Blame the preacher crowd goes wild. Over the past several years children have not been vaccinated due to the autism link. I am not debating whether it exists or not, but that is a big deal to patents now. Public screwls demand vaccination compliance, so that leaves home schoolers as the pro choice crowd.


50 posted on 09/01/2013 5:10:13 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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