Skip to comments.Everything the Media is Missing on Syria
Posted on 09/01/2013 7:00:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
Syria: The Asad government continues to insist that it did not use chemical weapons in the attack on 21 August. It approved an extension of the UN inspection team's visit and requested that it investigate three gas attacks against Syrian soldiers since 21 August.
Lebanon's Daily Star reported on 26 August that at least four Hizballah fighters are receiving treatment in Beirut after coming into contact with chemical agents in Syria, a security source said.
The source said four or five members came into contact with the chemical agents while searching a group of rebel tunnels in the Damascus suburb of Jobar over the weekend. (The attack on 21 August is being called the Jobar incident.)
Last Saturday, Syrian state television said Syrian soldiers found chemical agents in Jobar and that some had suffocated while entering the tunnels
Comment: The three primary questions about the attack remain unanswered.
- What agent was used?
- How was it delivered?
- By whom?
What appeared to be a slam dunk on Tuesday has weakened as more information has emerged about the source of US intelligence and about Syrian rebel chemical warfare capabilities. A lot of information has emerged, but is not receiving mainstream coverage in the US.
The agent. All experts who provided Feedback to NightWatch agreed some kind of chemical incident occurred on 21 August east of Damascus. As for the agent, multiple experts in Feedback claimed it was sarin. An equal number of experts in Feedback disagreed and claimed it was some other agent. Almost all based their judgments on symptoms observed in videos posted by rebels or on second hand reports of medical examinations.
Other videos posted to the web showed bags of chemicals with the label "made in Saudi Arabia, Saudi Factory for Chlorine and Alkalis" that were captured in rebel strongholds. The factory, known as SACHLO, is located in Riyadh and is hiring at this time.
Still other videos showed liquids in canisters that the reporter said were found in rebel tunnels. A third set purported to show a cache of chemical canisters and rockets that had been captured in a rebel bunker that could be fired by an artillery piece.
All the videos are inconclusive. None are dated; the location is never established; and none have a reliable chain of custody. At best they establish that both sides have chemicals, have used chemicals at some time and that more than one agent has been used by one or other side.
The delivery system. The open source information on instrumentality indicates rockets or modified artillery shells. Both sides have rockets that can deliver chemicals. The rebels have posted to the Web that they have such a capability and showed it to Sky News.
The attacker. Concerning the attacker, the mainstream media overwhelming claim that the Syrian government executed the attack. The evidence is not as clear as this assertion implies.
The Syrian government denies responsibility and claims its own forces suffered from a rebel chemical attack. The government is winning the fight and has no obvious motive to undertake action that would invite US military intervention that might affect the momentum of its successes. At least, that is what the Syrian government has said.
The rebels have strong motives to internationalize their fight and to manipulate the US into fighting on behalf of Islamists whose colleagues attacked the US in 2001. Some American officials and experts have asserted that the rebels have no chemical weapons. Not even the rebels say that.
What has not been reported nor evaluated are rebel claims, published by Sky News in July 2013 for example, that they have a sarin chemical weapons program and delivery systems.
So the media tally is the rebels claim they have gas and were gassed. The Government acknowledges that the rebels have gas and admits it has gas, but denies it used it. The Government claims that its gas is under strict control and the US officially has confirmed the Syrian government's claim. Both sides also have rockets that can deliver gas.
No news service has investigated rebel use of gas on 21 August. Nobody has bothered to ask any questions.
The role of Israeli intelligence. Finally, there is the question of the intercepted conversations. They remain classified so no one knows what was said, by whom, in what language, in what context, obtained by what reliable collection system, translated by whom, with what periodicity of collection and with what editing by supervisors. Some reporters claimed the conversations were between low level people. Others claimed a senior civilian official talked directly with a chemical unit military commander. That kind of direct communication is not possible even in the US military.
A further complication is two US sources assert that Israeli intelligence intercepted the conversations and passed the content to NSA. This scenario raises a new set of concerns about the reliability of the channel. Was the information doctored? Do some Israelis have a motive to lie to the US regarding events in Syria?
At this point, there are no answers to the three primary questions based on open source reporting. The findings of the UN investigators most likely will be inconclusive as to who executed the attack, but should help confirm the nature of the agent and the most likely delivery system
Administrative note: Thanks to all who provided Feedback on this issue.
Russia: Interfax quoted a source in the armed forces' general staff as saying Russia has decided to deploy to the eastern Mediterranean a missile cruiser from the Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva, and a large anti-submarine ship from the Northern Fleet in the "coming days."
Comment: Earlier this summer, Russian sources stated that the Russian Navy had established a permanent squadron in the Mediterranean Sea of 16 ships. Today's announcement said the two new ships would be part of a routine rotation. That is the language the US uses to increase its naval presence anywhere through overlapping rotation schedules.
This deployment does not necessarily mean the Russians will defend Syria. It does mean the Russians have raised the price and risks of a US attack on Syria.
UK-US-Syria: For the record. The British parliament voted against military action against Syria. The British have fought Muslims and Muslim tribes for nearly 200 years. This generation has had enough of war against Muslims.
The only thing that legal American Citizens need to realize here is that this Syria thing is Muslims killing Muslims.
That said, just where is the problem here? If they are so worried about gas, NBCs, WMDs, et al, why aren’t the collective Muslim countries of the middle east doing something about it? Because they are fomenting it, that’s why.
In this regard, can anyone here tell my why getting involved in this with even the remotest chance of losing an American soldier, or even expending a single round is our business?
The media is not “missing” anything. It is being complicit in what obama wants you to hear.
THE primary question, the ONLY question, is, "what business is it of ours?"
What I see here is that America is trying to play the install the muslim brotherhood game again.
It’s a game it seems very fond of playing.
Gee, I wonder why.
Let’s ask Huma.
You’re damned Skippy! No business at all. :<)
Where did these chemical weapons come from?
Are they from Iraq ?
Wonder why the MSM isn’t digging deeper into that angle....
We know the answer... Can’t risk making GWB look intelligent...
This is the FOURTH time in just a few years.
First, the young peoples’ uprising in IRAN...they are controlled by MB and so Obama demurs.
Libya, the MB wants to oust the former Sergeant and Obama enlists the CIA, NATO and the press corps to have him murdered and the MB take over. Later, our CIA wants to move those SAMs and weapons to Syria, and we get shived in the back with the loss of our ambassador and the shutdown of the weapons transfer.
Later, Egypt. More MB bullsh!t where Obama assists the ouster or Mubarak, the MB takes over and go 4th century...they get put down by Eqyptian military and Obama cries RAPE!
Now, [ooga booga] Syria’s Assad be using chemicals! [gasp!] Obama is ready to trot out the lame ass NATO or let loose another couple hundred Tomahawks to kick the shit out of the Syrian Desert like Slick Willie did in Afghanistan.
As far as I’m concerned, the entirety of the mid east Muslim population is not worth the life of one American Soldier, or the cost of the round or rounds he may shoot if we get drawn into this by our Islamic President.
You’re right. But it isn’t Huma...it is Hussein. He was brought up under Islam during his most formative years in Indonesia. It is there he learned hatred for the Great Satan. It will remain with him though out his miserable life.
* Who, indeed, are "our friends" in the region (not counting Israel)?
* With the known "signatures" of the Sarin gas, WHO manufactured it?
* If the Sarin gas was stockpiled, who controlled the stockpile?
* Is this one of the chemical weapons moved from Iraq by the Russians in 2003? Did the US issue these weapons to Iraq years ago?
* Who manufactured the Sarin gas delivery system?
The chemical “incident” happened exactly on the 0b0z0 red-ass line speech anniversary.
After the Islamists tried a chemical in February, (I believe the UN said it was the rebels who used it), 0b0z0 ducked and didn’t want to get involved. They decided 0b0z0 could duck it this time under McPain’s a GF Lindsey’s.
It’s the anniversary, stupid!
If it wasn’t for Israel, the entire Middle East region can fall into a sinkhole for all I care.
could duck it ———> could NOT duck it
Don’t tell me he is your hero
No, not at all, but he’s no where nearly as bad as his old man Hafez or Saddam. People are being manipulated again by government psy-op media drops, which are based on demonizing adversaries or potential adversaries. It just needs to be put into perspective...
Do you reckon that Huma and Valerie are now an item? I wonder if Hillary will stand by her ma'am or just be mad...
Oh I believe that you are right.
I just suggested asking Huma since she is an obvious MB agent and spy.
Hillary seems well beyond the age of...anything of that nature...though I am not sure, because I have seen some extremely old dykes around here in Florida.
Maybe Hillary should move here and find her a woMAN.
What a mess a single, inept, incompetent, golfing SOB can make!
Why do Democrat presidents always get us in on the wrong side of the civil wars that they stick their noses in? Hmmm?
Over emphasis of the term “rebel” as they are Wahhabi slime.
I always record Fox News Sunday, and watch it usually afterwards so I can fast forward when Chris Wallace has a liberal on, as I am not interested in what they have to say. I am watching the tape now and will fast forward John I was in Vietnam Kerry as soon as he comes up.
The press has been reluctant to report the genocide being committed against Christians in Syria. Maybe because the brutal murders appear to be the responsibility of John McCain’s “friends” - often referred to as the FSA - “rebels”- “freedom fighters”, but have been known to also call themselves “Al Queda”
They are missing obama’s golf game.
Because they pick the wrong side in everything else as well?
Also the casualty rate seems very high for civilians that were indoors at night. In Iraq Saddam killed 5000 with Sarin. It took two days of artillery barrage to do this. Per the rebels 1400 Syrians were killed in this one single attack at night. This seems improbably to me unless the Sarin was introduced directly into the buildings by the rebels.
I would really like to see a map with the distribution of casualties and wind directions and chemical analysis of the residual sarin and constituent chemicals with the Sarin gas residue. That will tell you a lot about what really happened. Amongst the casualties I have not seen any that have been identified as rebel troops. That is odd to say the least.
Artillery shells that are loaded with Sarin are not high explosive shells. Why have the rebels not shown us the remains of these shells. If this was truly a Sarin attack by the Syrian Army those artillery shell remains are there. I want to see them and the markings etc.
Assad is a murderous evil son of a bit-h. Most of those fighting him are even worse. Why are we helping Al Queda in Syria?
Wow. Ever consider a hobby?
I know ABC and CBS had it too.
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Because they pick the wrong side in everything else as well?
That was my point. It also seems strange that very few of the Republican officeholders will bring this up. It seems to me, this should be an area that is ripe for discussion.
Well... The republicans would have to develop a rare case of courage
0b0z0 should discuss this with highly paid WMD experts and manufacturers.
IMO, you have to have intense fires, such as napalm, in combination with high explosives w/delayed incendiary bombs.
The problem is that you need planes to do all this, not only cruise missiles, and that requires an air war to knock out air defenses first, etc.
Again, just my thoughts.
Obama’s White House has an extra set of advisors and they have close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Huma Abedin, of all the people in the world, was brought in as Hillary Clinton’s State Department’s closest advisor - it’s been recently proven that Huma Abedin was also working hard for the Muslim Brotherhood and its propaganda arm. No one can accuse Huma of not being a hard, motivated political worker.
Huma Abedin’s mother is among the highest ranking Muslim Brotherhood leaders and strategists in the world. Her deceased father, ditto. How did Huma Abedin get that job at the seat of U.S. foreign relations policy?
As important a question as “how,” is w did Huma Adedin get that job? Who else in the U.S. was available? Only Huma?
Is it not obvious that the U.S. adventure to topple Khaddafi and then Hosni Mubarek and now to attack the Syrian president Assad, are in concert with the advice of the the group of Muslim Brotherhood advisors to IObama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton? What other function do they serve, if not that? Were they brought in to advise on “climate change,” or under a cloak of the new monolithic diversity?
The newest Middle East adventure is just a continuation of the same script, in which the “rebels” are worse than the leaders who are killed and/or toppled.
The rebels of Muslim Brotherhood/Al Quaeda. These are the same sworn enemies of the U.S. and global jihadists who planned and carried out 9/11.
The current president of the U.S. seems not to be of the U.S., by the U.S. or for the U.S.
Hillary Clinton, though of the U.S., has proven herself as dangerous. Though of Alinsky and for Alinsky and stained by a track record of lies, even when she worked many decades ago on the federal Watergate Hearings, according to one of her supervisors, all she really wants today is raw power and raw wealth.
Hillaryand Bill got Huma Adedin “married” to Anthony Weiner. Don’t you suppose there’s a muslim loophole operating here? All this, it would seem, to consolidate power and quiet Jihad through inside influence on the Clintons and Weiner, who seemed to be an up and coming nexus of political power in New York and nationally.