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John Kerry: US has proof that sarin gas used in Syria
Daily Telegraph ^ | 1 September, 2013 | Harriet Alexander, and agencies

Posted on 09/01/2013 11:02:08 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy

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To: hummingbird
Syria is really a downer for Kerry cosmetic wise./s

Yeah, he's an ugly boss-tid no matter how you slice it.

101 posted on 09/01/2013 2:36:58 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ScaniaBoy

Thousands of people have been killed by conventional weapons in Syria and that is ok. Kill 1,500 with gas and we say they crossed a line and now we need to respond....isn’t dead, dead?


102 posted on 09/01/2013 2:39:35 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"Yeah, he's an ugly boss-tid no matter how you slice it."

*snicker*

103 posted on 09/01/2013 2:44:18 PM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Spot on, Jim as always! John Ketchup Boy Kerry’s fairy tale uses the same template of deception as the Benghazi lie Zer0 used to get reelected. This time it is to wag the dog for his Communist-in-chief, Zer0. The Ketchup Boy never fails to slick the skids with lies.

A strike on Syria should have been done months ago when we knew where chemical weapons were stored. Now they are in new locations leaving our intelligence ability to task. These same chemicals may have been Saddam Hussein’s that were flown out of Iraq to Syria before we launched Operation Iraqi Freedom. That was another timing failure.

There are even reports suggesting that the sarin gas came from NATO backed rebels to frame the Syrian government in order to build support for a NATO invasion. This is also being said by Russian premier Vladmir Putin who said on Saturday that it would be “utter nonsense for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime to use chemical weapons in light of winning the country’s civil war. “That is why I am convinced that it [the alleged chemical attack)] is nothing more than a provocation by those who want to drag other countries into the Syrian conflict, and who want to win the support of powerful members of the international arena, especially the United States,” Putin told journalists, according to Reuters. If that is true, we have an effort by the Obama Syndicate to deceive Congress and the American public. That would be an impeachable offense. Zer0’s runs his administration on lies—not competence. His complete incompetence will be a disaster for America.

For a look into the rebel argument see this link (there are more, of course):

http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/#IIdZ0Ty8Cx3yrQVF.99

I agree with Sarah Palin. Let the Islamic dogs fight it out among themselves in Syria. The best action would be to stay out and save our money (and later American life) by not using our cruise missiles.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060864/posts

Putin knows that Zer0 is helping the bad guys who give Russia trouble. Zer0 is taking our eyes off the ball when it comes to Iran’s development of nuclear weapons. Fighting Iran in this indirect way will only give Iran more time and cause them to step up the time table to nukes. We need to keep our eye on the real ball: Iran’s development of nuclear warheads and the missiles to deliver them.

Also think Super-EMP nuclear warheads. North Korea has them and so can Iran. It simplifies the task of a delivery system. If one of them goes off on the East Coast, it would be total disaster.


104 posted on 09/01/2013 2:50:50 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: blueunicorn6
We used to get a positive chemical attack indication on the chemical detection strips by spraying them with insecticide.

That's not surprising. Sarin was originally intended to be a new, improved pesticide.

105 posted on 09/01/2013 2:51:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ScaniaBoy
So, Lurch has produced evidence that the agent was sarin. If he has evidence it was deployed by Assad's forces and not the rebels, then why hasn't he trotted it out?

Even it was Assad, why should we act to help the Front for the Protection of the Syrian People? Unless we are prepared to undertake more of that Iraq-style nation-building, we should stay out and let them kill each other off.

LET ALLAH SORT IT OUT!

106 posted on 09/01/2013 3:06:39 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ScaniaBoy

John F Kerry, do you have proof of Who launched the gas???

My first reaction was another Al Queda workplace accident.
The Saudis did not tell the suicide bomber what was in the containers, and said containers were dropped, opened, or mis-handled


107 posted on 09/01/2013 3:08:20 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

.....Assad was a “reformer.” Now he’s the devil incarnate.

Which is why no World Leader trusts or believes the Rodeo Clown


108 posted on 09/01/2013 3:10:15 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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>> he said, “has now joined the list of Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein”

Saddam Hussein from Iraq?


109 posted on 09/01/2013 3:10:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I heard some CIA guy wants Kerry to return his magic hat.
The CIA guy will not forgive Kerry for swiping his hat


110 posted on 09/01/2013 3:20:53 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: ScaniaBoy

Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after war began
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3061326/posts


111 posted on 09/01/2013 3:26:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: blueunicorn6
There is a greater set of questions which needs to be addressed. Kerry said "I can announce we have found 'signatures' of saran gas in hair and fingernails".

First.....where are the documents which certify those findings? Which lab is the one which performed the tests. Which forensic pathologist is certifying this finding which will drive the USA to war?

Now....I have an even greater concern. My background is in General/Trauma surgery....not pathology. So up front I am not holding myself out as an expert. But we did take forensics in medical school. Nails and hair are commonly examined in cases of suspected poisonings. Most of those poisonings are of a chronic nature.....not an acute nature. That is to say, if someone is poisoned over a period of weeks or months with, say arsenic, this will show up in the hair and nails. If, however someone is poisoned acutely with cyanide the person will be dead in minutes or hours. No finding of toxicity will be found in the hair or nails. There is simply not enough time to incorporate for the toxic agent to be incorported into the hair follicle/shaft or nail or nail matrix and show up on a lab finding. If someone is poisoned with SARAN gas they are usually dead within minutes or hours (not all-depending on the dose received). But that is not what Kerry said. The cells of the nail matrix must take up and incorporate the toxin in the shaft of the hair. Now,....think how much does your hair grow in 2 hours. That is where the poison might show up, but that is very dubious.

I think Kerry lied to Chris Wallace this morning when he said there was laboratory findings of signatures of SARAN in the nails. The people were dead prior to it being able to 'grow in' the shaft of the hair or nail matrix.

I would like to hear from a forensic pathologist as to whether my explanation is reasonable.

112 posted on 09/01/2013 3:27:57 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter

I have no experience in medical work but learned in the service, that a nerve gas on a man’s skin, without inhalation, can quickly poison and kill him (if that’s of any assistance). Would it permeate hair and fingernails as with skin? I don’t know. Would it be present on hair and fingernails?


113 posted on 09/01/2013 3:35:07 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Typically, it is my understanding that nails are submitted as clippings or drillings and hair as clippings.. I do not think surface contamination is the source of toxin which is being tested for. If that was the case any body surface would suffice as a source for analysis.


114 posted on 09/01/2013 3:39:14 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter
I think Kerry lied to Chris Wallace this morning when he said there was laboratory findings of signatures of SARAN in the nails. The people were dead prior to it being able to 'grow in' the shaft of the hair or nail matrix.

From long experience, we know that this administration is prone to fabricating evidence. And, yes, out-and-out lying.

From the outset, we should operate on the premise that they are, in fact, lying. It is up to Kerry, Obama, Rice, et al to prove otherwise.

They simply aren't trustworthy. Sad...but true.

115 posted on 09/01/2013 3:43:08 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Texas Songwriter

I was not a Chemical Officer, but I think you are correct. My training was that nerve agents killed quickly. One of the questions during our Nuclear Biological Chemical (NBC) training was, “If I was exposed to a nerve agent, would I have time to draw my pistol and blow my brains out?” Our Instructor said that it would be close. I suppose it would depend on the dose you receive. I think it would take a large dose of chemical agent to kill 1500 people. The agent weakens as it spreads. Killing people in a city could be somewhat difficult. A vapor would dissipate quickly. A liquid would have a hard time penetrating roofs and walls. There is also problems with the dispersal method. You can shoot it on artillery or missiles. You can spray it from an aircraft. I don’t recall ever being told to take hair or nail clippings after an attack. I believe we mostly swabbed stuff. There are Chemical Officers who know a lot more about this stuff, but I think you are correct. We were trained that chemical weapons were used to make it harder to fight because you had to put on the chemical gear. It was more of a nuisance than a killer to trained and properly equipped troops.


116 posted on 09/01/2013 4:19:51 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jim Robinson

You are spot on! That damned weasel ran like a scared rabbit back to Uncle Ted. I still burn thinking about what he and his ilk did in Washington DC as a part of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

There is a special place in hell for people like Kerry, Fonda and their fellow travelers.


117 posted on 09/01/2013 4:21:01 PM PDT by ConchKarl (From a member of the Herd, 173rd)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

Thanks for the Greaseman link.

I knew I heard that somewhere but couldn’t recall where.

That was a long time ago - maybe back in the 1980’s.

Maybe on WWDC?


118 posted on 09/01/2013 4:22:24 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: hummingbird
Doesn't Kerry have his medals displayed in his congressional office?
Copies or the originals?
The medals he tossed - were they even his?
He is so very untrustworthy.

At the time he was making his traitorous speeches he said the medals he tossed were his.

But later on (maybe when he was running for president) he said the medals he threw were not his - just some he picked up to make his point.

You cannot believe a word he says - he lies so much that he really doesn't know what the truth is.

That is why he fits in so well woth Obama, Holder and the rest of that criminal administration.


119 posted on 09/01/2013 4:29:53 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: blueunicorn6
'We used to get a positive chemical attack indication on the chemical detection strips by spraying them with insecticide."

M8 Detector paper will change color according to the type of chem weapon. M9 will detect the presence, but not indicate the type. Both types give a few false positives, which is actually a good thing for training purposes. Misting some trees or branches in an area with antifreeze is a good way of seeing if your soldiers are monitoring the M9 paper they have attached to their MOPP gear or their buddy's (as long as the environmental folks from the post don't find out about it.)

120 posted on 09/01/2013 4:30:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: rdcbn
Just because sarin was used does not mean Assad used it against the insurgents.

In reality, the insurgents used gas either as a false flag operation or a work accident.

Even is Assad used it, he used it against Al Qaeda, that would be point in his favor. We would be going to war to protect Al Qaeda from WMD. Al Qaeda had no problem with using our own jetliners as WMD against us to kill thousands of people.


121 posted on 09/01/2013 6:01:33 PM PDT by fallujah-nuker
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To: ScaniaBoy

“…at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs.........”

This poor excuse of a man is a traitor and a liar.

FUJK


122 posted on 09/01/2013 6:53:35 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: mylife

Looks like he’s had some plastic surgery or some heavy doses of botox.


123 posted on 09/01/2013 7:14:01 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Iron Munro

Most likely. DC 101.


124 posted on 09/01/2013 7:15:16 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Iron Munro

Most likely. DC 101.


125 posted on 09/01/2013 7:17:51 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: rdcbn

‘Syria used sarin against the insurgents’

The problem here is that we, The US, have no frame of reference understandable to us to be able to fully understand this action.

We are being setup to be used by whichever side of this conflict that is the most desperate. Unless we have video of Assad giving the order to gas his own people then we have no business taking any military action. If our government has video of Assad giving such an order, then it needs to be released or there will be no support for any American military action in this situation.


126 posted on 09/01/2013 7:20:49 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Most likely DC 101

Yep. That sounds right.

127 posted on 09/01/2013 7:37:35 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: ScaniaBoy

So we know what, but not who. . . at least 50/50 chance Zer0 armed the rebels with sarin.


128 posted on 09/01/2013 8:57:07 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: fallujah-nuker
Even if Assad used it, he used it against Al Quaeda, that would be point in his favor.

Let us review. Tell me if I am missing something.

1. The Brotherhood had essentially carte blanche to go into the White House.

2. Obama overthrew Quadaffi and enabled the Brotherhood (al quaeda) to take Libya.

3. Obama did not go with the rebellion in Egypt. He supported Morsi. He even demanded Morsi be released. Morsi is brotherhood.

4. Now, Obama wants the US to go to war to support the Brotherhood (al quaeda). Now, as you say, Assad is killing the people who took down the towers. He wants to become their compatriots in arms. I do not recall Assad ever attacking the US.

It looks to me like there is a pattern which emerges.

Why are not republicans, media, commentators, pundits, etc. seeing these connections. Has al quaeda suddenly become jeffersonian democrats?

129 posted on 09/01/2013 10:53:13 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Jim Robinson

I understand calling Fonda and Kerry a communist, but why Cronkite?

The only thing I am aware of him as far as Vietnam goes is saying that America was losing and that it had become a losing cause.

I agree that Obama is arguably a communist but this certainly means that he cannot be a Muslim, something I have always found to be missing the point about him.

When time is spent trying to prove he believes in Islam, it takes away from his real negatives and muddies the waters, in my opinion, and saves him from the true scrutiny, he deserves.


130 posted on 09/02/2013 4:18:02 AM PDT by sakic
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To: hummingbird

My wife says, “Those Brits really know how to swear, they do a little kinda wind-up”:

Yewwwwww.........BAWWW-STIDS!


131 posted on 09/02/2013 7:59:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: sakic
why Cronkite?...The only thing I am aware of him as far as Vietnam goes is saying that America was losing and that it had become a losing cause.

Which was a total lie.

Since he had total credibility, it turned the will of the American people and sparked the unrelenting hippie-freak communist protests who eventually spit on our unwitting returning troops.

The abrupt withdrawal cost thousands of lives, both in South Viet Nam and Cambodia.

132 posted on 09/02/2013 8:07:22 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

What you say is true, but does zero to say that Cronkite was a communist.


133 posted on 09/02/2013 5:00:09 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
What you say is true, but does zero to say that Cronkite was a communist.

Registered or not, he aided and abetted the enemy...who were communists.

He led the way for the other McCarthy survivor prestitutes. Pinchy Salzburg and his old man were too.

134 posted on 09/02/2013 5:10:23 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

He did not aid and abet the enemy. He was a reporter offering an opinion. We have freedom of the press and that is a very good thing.

Also, he was right. America was not fighting to win. They were in, but not all the way. To win a war you can’t be in less than 100%.


135 posted on 09/03/2013 4:07:12 AM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
He did not aid and abet the enemy.

Yes he did, he and John Effing Kerry should have been tried for treason.

He was a reporter offering an opinion.

That's not the job of a reporter, it's the job of a news analyst. He was just a RATagandist, stirring up the domestic communists, SDS and other Disestablishmentarianist hippies.

We have freedom of the press and that is a very good thing.

NO WE DON'T!

Not since the likes of Cronkite and his wannabe Dan Rather. If you want news, you either have to go the a foreign news source, or the new media. The dinosaur press is free press has no positive value to the American people. It's blatant leftist agenda driven propaganda.

Also, he was right.

No he wasn't, we never lost a battle in Viet Nam. Except John Kerry was up in front of Congress lying his @$$ off, throwing someone else's medals over the White House fence, and over in Paris illegally negotiating with the Viet Cong.

136 posted on 09/03/2013 6:05:31 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Kerry is living proof that Mr. Ed bedded got it on with an ugly porn actress.


137 posted on 09/03/2013 6:09:21 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
The dinosaur press is free press has no positive value to the American people.

The dinosaur press is not a free press, it has no positive value to the American people.

138 posted on 09/03/2013 6:10:39 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“No he wasn’t, we never lost a battle in Viet Nam. Except John Kerry was up in front of Congress lying his @$$ off, throwing someone else’s medals over the White House fence, and over in Paris illegally negotiating with the Viet Cong”.

While the other traitor was in Moscow marching in the streets protesting against his own country in a time of war. Both Clinton and Kerry should have been charged with treason against the United States.


139 posted on 09/03/2013 6:13:11 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
Both Clinton and Kerry should have been charged with treason against the United States.

They probably weren't because "Kennedy's War" was a so-called police-action.

140 posted on 09/03/2013 6:32:34 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

We disagree on most of these points but especially on how the war was being fought. If you believe the American military was all in to win you are sadly mistaken. It wasn’t their fault, though. It was the fault of those in charge of the military. They did not have the balls to go all in.

Unless you believe it was easier to win WWII then win in Vietnam.


141 posted on 09/03/2013 7:09:16 AM PDT by sakic
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

During the Winter Soldier hearings, Kerry said he HAD PARTICIPATED IN WAR CRIMES. Why didn’t the US military ever pursue charges against him? No investigation, no nothing.

We all know he’s a lying POS, but charges should have been brought against this lying traitor SOB.


142 posted on 09/03/2013 7:26:39 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: sakic
If you believe the American military was all in to win you are sadly mistaken.

We were winning up until the communists, both foreign and domestic, began waging the propaganda war.

It was the fault of those in charge of the military. They did not have the balls to go all in.

Oh, you mean like RATs LBJ, and his tearful butt-boy Robert McNamara?

We disagree on most of these points

Oh, so you liked Uncle Walter and Dan "fake but accurate" Rather, and all the other RATagandist scum.

You really believe we have a "free press".

I have a bridge for sale in Florida.

143 posted on 09/03/2013 8:15:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Don’t muddy the waters while you are agreeing with me. Yes, the Dems didn’t go all in. We agree, even though you are having problems saying that.

Yes, we have a free press. We just don’t agree with most of their political beliefs.

If you think there is another country with a more independent press, please name it.

All of the media is being bought up by large corps, though, so freedom of the press is on the wane. This applies to orgs as different as MSNBC and Fox.

The Internet is the overall worst place to get reliable news coverage. Some of it is outstanding. Most of it is partisan bullsh@t, no matter the agenda.


144 posted on 09/03/2013 9:02:02 AM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
Yes, we have a free press. We just don’t agree with most of their political beliefs.

Bought and paid for by somebody, given marching orders by the DNC via the NY Times. Occasionally the truth slips through.

If you think there is another country with a more independent press, please name it.

Russia, Britain, Australia. Many of them feel perfectly free to report on and criticize US positions and public figures.

The Internet is the overall worst place to get reliable news coverage. Some of it is outstanding. Most of it is partisan bullsh@t, no matter the agenda.

Right, don't believe your own lyin' eyes. A lot of it is live reporting "tweeted" from individuals around the world, including video. No filtering.

Partisan or not, you should be able to get both sides of an issue and figure out the truth.

Not one of the established US news networks is worth watching, nor any of the papers, except to get local news. Local TV news reports little political news, and drifts into national and world "news stories". Even The Weather Channel is up to their @$$ in the Global Warming Hoax, reporting it as fact.

They self identify as liberals, and hope to "change the world" (though propaganda) The blatant disregard of their failing ratings and advertising revenue, in favor of their higher calling of promoting the "progressive agenda" should be all the proof you need.

145 posted on 09/03/2013 9:19:49 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I find it to be absolutely astounding that any adult believes that there is greater freedom of the press in Russia than in America.

If you truly believe that you might want to live in Russia for a while.

I have been there on business a few times and can say without hesitation that you have no clue what you are talking about.


146 posted on 09/03/2013 12:17:03 PM PDT by sakic
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To: ScaniaBoy
I haven't been keeping up with Kerry's antics but perhaps someone who has can answer this for me.......

Has Kerry provided evidence that America or Americans are in imminent danger as a result of what is happening in Syria?

I'm betting the topic hasn't come up.

147 posted on 09/03/2013 12:30:46 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: liberalh8ter

Of course not, but I guess you knew. Anyway, the latest is that an attack on Syria is not war - and absolutely not a repeat of Afghanistan or Iraq - but a declaration of our (the US’s) values.

This says congressman and whoremonger Bob Menendez (D-NJ).


148 posted on 09/03/2013 12:35:33 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Right....because that pesky Constitution says we get to bomb another Country if they don't share our 'values'.

Perhaps we need to mail every member of the House a Staples-style red 'reset' button. Then again, they'll just use it as a paperweight for their thousand-plus page, pork filled bills.

149 posted on 09/03/2013 12:54:44 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: sakic

More truth about US news comes out of Pravda than the RATagandist American press.

It’s a total waste of paper or airtime.

I’m pretty sure the Russians are free to report any stories about the US with no interference from top leadership.

And yeah, it’s a pretty sad state of affairs to have to say that.

What are you, some kind of reporter?


150 posted on 09/03/2013 8:36:14 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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