Skip to comments.Bar owner must pay banned transgender group
Posted on 09/01/2013 11:53:17 AM PDT by narses
PORTLAND A Portland bar owner has been ordered to pay about $400,000 to a group of transgendered people he banned from his establishment last year.
The Bureau of Labor and Industries civil rights division imposed the penalty against Chris Penner, owner of the Twilight Room Annex, the Oregonian reported Friday.
Eleven people will share in the penalty, with amounts ranging from $20,000 to $50,000.
Its the first penalty imposed under the 2007 Oregon Equality Act, which protects the rights of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Oregonians in employment, housing and public places. Some other complaints ended in settlements.
The bureaus civil rights division began investigating the bar formerly known as The P Club last year after Penner left a voice message for one of the T-Girls, a social group for transgendered people that went to the bar on Friday nights.
According to the complaint filed with the bureau, the message said: People think that a.) Were a tranny bar, or b.) Were a gay bar. We are neither. People are not coming in because they just dont want to be here on a Friday night now.
The complaint listed 11 aggrieved persons, 10 of whom present as women. Their legal names are not given.
The T-Girls said they were devastated and humiliated. They said they went to the bar every Friday for two years because they felt safe there the bartender treated them well, and bouncers walked them to their cars as they left.
The individuals had found a place at the P Club where they found they could share their lives, their stories, Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian said. When that is stripped away, that is an indignity that is severe.
Penner denied last year that he is biased but said other customers complained that the T-Girls left the stall doors open and seats up in the womens restrooms and business had dropped.
Penners lawyer, Jonathan Radmacher, said his client was not surprised by the decision: Avakian brought the complaint, and his deputy affirmed it.
The writing was on the wall, Radmacher said, but we went through the process because we thought it was important that the facts came out.
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Drunk trannies - 1
Normal people - 0
Looks like the deviants are leading the way to a police state.
And what a police state!
Just give them crappy service & see how long they stay around.
how can you have a social bar where men expect to meet women and women expect to meet men, and you have a subset that is dressing like one, acting like the other, desiring who knows what....
bankruptcy can be your friend...
...so if I’m a drunk (which is a disability under the Americans with disabilities act), bars and liquor stores are required to sell to me?
They said they went to the bar every Friday for two years because they felt safe there the bartender treated them well, and bouncers walked them to their cars as they left.
Apparently their first mistake was treating them like proper customers.
Freedom only applies to LGBTQ.
I feel bad for business owners. They are slaves to agenda groups.
The P Club
With a name like that I’m not surprised they attracted freaks.
What ever happened to “We Reserve thr Right to Refuse Service to Anyone”?
I see those signs in businesses all the time!
Since when does a bar belong to the PATRONS? Good grief.
It’s a freaking BAR. It’s not a place they’re even RENTING. It’s made out like it’s their sanctuary and the evil landowner kicked them out in the cold and there’s no other place in the world they can be perverts in.
What about one of the eleven’s HOMES?!?!? Have your damn gathering at somebody’s HOME, and switch homes every week?!?!
A bunch of guys doing this is not itself inherently a club. I hope these people get Liberty Counsel or Alliance Defense Fund to help with their case.
They already did that once. They thought they would be in charge but the guys who actually got power using their help turned around and put them in concentration camps. Pink triangles, anyone?
I wold strongly suggest to all business owners that these signs are in their windows, above your checkout areas/where you service customers, and included in any written contracts you use.
I wonder if this guy is related to Bob Avakian, leader of the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party?
All that civil rights acts crap rush and beck andany here laud led directly to this
I thought it was pretty much universal. Where liquor is sold, the proprietor has the right to refuse service to anyone, anytime.
Now you know how Moses felt..
I live in a place known as "The Cattle Capitol Of The Southwest".
Not one bar, not one honky-tonk left.
All run out of business by the new prohibitionists
The cops would come by marking tires, wait in the parking lot, then wait to jack up the drivers.
At the same time, they would plant undercover officers inside, counting drinks served to customers. They would also hire 20-year-olds who looked 45 to walk into the package store to buy booze.
Every time they jacked up a customer or an employee, the owner would get jacked up times 10.
The bar owners finally gave up and sold their liquor licenses to WalMart or Walgreens.
So you have to accommodate such undesirables, even though they will drive away your regular business? Ain’t that sweet...
Looks like the deviants are leading the way to a police state.
Don’t worry the Deviants will be immediately purged once the Police State is firmly in place...
History is circular...
and its going to be such a FAbULOUS police state!
Faggoty Ass Holes.
So the way forward for you is to bankrupt companies? All in the name of diversity?
What about this isn’t perversity?
Nobody knows how to do business anymore. Pictures of that bar show that there is no way they can possibly pay $400k, so the trannies have effectively killed their business. So the trannies will now move to the next bar to shut it down through extortion as well.
If the bar owner was smart, how many ‘tough guys’ could he have pulled in on Friday nights? Offer some drink specials to people who would take issue with trannies. Problem solved, with little or no liability to the bar. After giving some of the perverts a thrashing in the parking lot, they would take their business elsewhere.
Not only would it only cost a few thousand, but he would make the money back with his new customers.
They would be wise to note that the early leadership of the SA in Germany was 'butch' homosexual. As the Nazis tried to reach a much larger, more 'normal' group, there was the problem of 'butches' at the top of the SA. Between June 30-July 2, 1934, many of these were killed. In the end, homosexuals, both 'butch' and 'femme', were forced to wear pink triangles and many were sent to concentration camps.
In the 'Obamaworld' that we seem headed towards, the 'T-girls', as the article calls them, would be wise to stay quiet, for their own good, and be careful what they wish for!
Stop giving them special treatment. They want to be treated live anyone else, so let them fend for themselves.
No, but it'd pretty easy to pick em out of a crowd and have them committed to a "fenced in" community where they could send the sexually-insane perverts, instead of a stupid "sex offender list" where they still roam free.
I wish some people would conduct such a test case to illustrate the hypocracy and lunacy of the left.
He could ban the trannies for starting fights.
The thrashers would probably do it for free (and a little blind-eye cover)
Not your fault for this ineresting post result but.
Paraphraing the bar owner’s lawyer The writing is on the wall the lawyer said but we did it because we wanted Oregonians to know...From the looks of where these postings are comming from they still don’t Would be interested in what someone from that area has to say ...No mention of appeal
When it comes to the sociopolitical sacred cows (causes) of liberals like, there is no more corrupt legal regime in place in this entire country than what has been demonstrated time and again in Oregon, and Portland in particular. Be it abortion, taxes, pornography, homosexuality, ad nauseam.
> The P Club
With a name like that Im not surprised they attracted freaks.
The Pedophile Club?
The mainstreaming of mental illness continues.......
Too many lawyers are destroying America. They’re the enablers of everything that is wrong with society.
That doesn’t mean all lawyers are bad — just too many of them are dirtbags.
I don’t see any indication in the article that the bar owner banned transgender groups on the basis of his religious beliefs or other rights protected by the Constitution. And if constitutionally protected rights were not violated by this Oregon law then this is not a 14th Amendment issue imo.
If the citizens of Oregon don’t like this law then it’s up to them to work with their local and state lawmakers to make such laws more citizen-friendly.
And citizens in other states who don’t want such situations to happen in their states better get off of their couches and work with their local and state government prepresentatives to make state laws which compliment their constitutionally protected rights.
That struck me too. Other customers stopped going there, thinking it was a gay or trans-whatever establishment. Interesting to think about what rights, if any, the business owner has, if a group of oddballs gives his place a bad reputation.
Apparently the business owner has very few legal rights in this situation. He has to service the trans-whatever group, even if a critical mass of such people drive away others.
Oregon has been this way for decades.
“The T-Girls said they were devastated and humiliated.”
You ever notice that its always a case of devastation and humiliation. etc. with lefty groups? Not just gay groups, but pretty much every left wing group that is unhappy about something. It’s never “we don’t like this” or “we are unhappy about that”, but outraged, humiliated, put upon in manner most cruel, etc. Frankly, the histrionics involved often irritate me more than whatever the underlying issue happens to be in these cases.
> If the bar owner was smart, how many tough guys could he have pulled in on Friday nights? Offer some drink specials to people who would take issue with trannies. Problem solved, with little or no liability to the bar. After giving some of the perverts a thrashing in the parking lot, they would take their business elsewhere.
^ I think this sums up my feelings about the best solution
I think the next time this happens, the friers and grill should mysteriously stop working. Just kick everyone out, and open again the next day.
Sooner or later the public is going to get real tired of this dog and pony show.
People pollution is bad for business. They wanted to destroy his business.
He needs to spend a hundred grand and let contracts on all the wackos and their lawyers.
“All that civil rights acts crap rush and beck andany here laud led directly to this”
That’s how I think about this, too. If the government can tell any private business who he has to serve then the government can tell the business to serve anybody. I would love to hear a logical argument on why this is bad but the government forcing a business to serve blacks is good.