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Sister says Liz Cheney's opposition to gay marriage 'dead wrong'
Chicago Tribune ^ | 08/31/2013 | Noreen O'Donnell

Posted on 09/01/2013 5:40:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Mary Cheney, the younger daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney who married her long-time partner Heather Poe last year, chastised her older sister, a Republican who is running for the Senate, for her opposition to same-sex marriage in a posting on Facebook.

Liz Cheney, who is seeking a Senate seat in Wyoming, said on Friday that she was "not pro-gay marriage."

"For the record, I love my sister, but she is dead wrong on the issue of marriage," Mary Cheney wrote on Facebook, according to the New York Times.

"Freedom means freedom for everyone," she wrote, repeating a phrase once used by her father when he was asked about gay marriage. "That means all families - regardless of how they look or how they are made - all families are entitled to the same rights, privileges and protections as every other."

Both Mary Cheney and Liz Cheney could not be reached on Sunday for comment.

Liz Cheney on Friday clarified her position on same-sex marriage in response to what she said was a "dishonest push poll" in which callers were asked whether they were aware that she supports abortion and aggressively promotes gay marriage.

"I am strongly pro-life and I am not pro-gay marriage," Liz Cheney said in her statement on Friday. "I believe the issue of marriage must be decided by the states, and by the people in the states, not by judges and not even by legislators, but by the people themselves."

Mary Cheney responded by saying that the issue was "not something to be decided by a show of hands."

Dick Cheney, who served as vice president under President George W. Bush, has long indicated he was supportive of gay marriage

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; cheney2014; dickcheney; election2014; election2016; gaymarriage; heatherpoe; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lizcheney; marycheney; mikeenzi; wy2014; wyoming

1 posted on 09/01/2013 5:40:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

ALSO SEE HERE:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/01/elizabeth-cheney-blasted-by-older-sister-over-gay-marriage-stance/?intcmp=trending

Elizabeth Cheney blasted by older sister over gay-marriage stance


2 posted on 09/01/2013 5:41:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If I was a cynical man... snicker... I’d possibly think that this is being orchestrated within the family as a PR blitz to help her election chances, and that after she wins, she’ll “re-assess” here position.


3 posted on 09/01/2013 5:46:40 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

I was thinking the same thing.


4 posted on 09/01/2013 5:47:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DesScorp

Well, Obama’s views on gay marriage did “evolve” ( NOT ).


5 posted on 09/01/2013 5:48:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course Mary Cheney wants the issue to be decided by a show of hands. It’s just that she wants it to be 5 hands, led by Anthony Kennedy, who imposes it on the entire nation.

While there is no conservative justification for gay marriage, the fact remains that an increasing number of Republicans (some of which are conservative on most issues) are coming out in support of gay marriage. Really, this isn’t all that surprising as the elite forces in favor of gay marriage are powerful and hard to resist.

But for any conservative or Republican to support the judicial imposition of gay marriage is inexcusable. There is no way to argue that the Constitution requires state recognition of gay unions without invoking the unbound ‘living Constitution’ method of interpretation. And if you are willing to buy it on marriage, then there is no reason to argue against it on abortion or anything other issue.

If Republicans can’t at least agree on how the issue should be decided (i.e. not by the courts), then what kind of party is it? If Republican leaders, after decades of talking the talk but nothing else for evangelicals and other conservative Christians, can’t at least fight for the right of states to decide the issue, then it’s just more proof of their outright disdain for those most likely to vote for them.


6 posted on 09/01/2013 5:53:06 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t matter to me, if I could vote for Liz I damn sure would.


7 posted on 09/01/2013 5:53:31 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey,Mary...lose the glasses,they make you look fat.

8 posted on 09/01/2013 5:53:48 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Aetius

RE: It’s just that she wants it to be 5 hands, led by Anthony Kennedy, who imposes it on the entire nation.

After what John Roberts did with Obamacare, I’m not sure about his stance on this issue now...


9 posted on 09/01/2013 5:54:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Aetius

At this juncture, I think I will support and vote for any Conservative t6hat does NOT toss the gay agenda in my face!~ I am so sick of it, I could puke!


10 posted on 09/01/2013 5:54:42 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: SeekAndFind

Liz Cheney is lying and pulling a Romney, (who she supported in and worked for in 2008).

Liz Cheney has supported gay marriage and the homosexual agenda for years, while having never revealed any pro-life leanings.

Now suddenly within the last few weeks she has announced that she is not for gay marriage and uses the flat, simple phrase of “I’m strongly pro-life” in answer to abortion questions.


11 posted on 09/01/2013 5:56:32 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: bigbob
Doesn’t matter to me, if I could vote for Liz I damn sure would.

Don't you post your support for the homosexual agenda on every Liz Cheney thread?

12 posted on 09/01/2013 6:04:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SeekAndFind

Marriage is given special consideration because a married couple both reproduce and raise/acculturate their children.

Queers can’t reproduce and their “culture”, being profoundly warped and destructive, is hardly what any reasonable society wants to subsidize or support.

Electing a closeted queer was not a good idea, as a much earlier lesson on queers was quite specific about - yeah, that curriculum on queers traced back to Mt. Sinai.


13 posted on 09/01/2013 6:10:39 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: ansel12
I've never heard of her "support" for gay unions (I refuse to undercut the meaning of marriage by linking it with homosexual perversion).

>If she (Liz Cheney) has supported it in the past, I'd like to be pointed to any such statements or writings before tossing aside her support of Mitt Romney, as I reluctantly voted for him rather than decline to vote or throw away my vote.

I know Dick Cheney has been vocally in support for his daughter's position but would have voted for him rather than either Obama or Romney!

As I've yet to find a candidate than I feel perfectly supports my beliefs, I can support one that comes closest to my desires for our Republic, but would never support one that opposes life.

14 posted on 09/01/2013 6:16:25 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’re right. Roberts certainly can’t be counted on.

But it was thought that Roberts would join the liberals to strike down DOMA, in part because of his lesbian relative. Instead he sided with the conservatives. However on Prop 8, he was the decisive vote of the procedural decision denying supporters of the measure to defend it after California officials refused to do so. I’m not sure how to read this. Maybe he was serious about the procedural argument. Or it could be that he wouldn’t like the outcome that he thought would have occurred had the Sup Court used the Prop 8 case as chance to either impose gay marriage nationally, or declare it to be a matter for the states to decide.

I don’t know. But I do think that if the issue returns to this Sup Court, and it’s clear that Kennedy is going to be the decisive vote to impose gay marriage nationally, then Roberts would join the liberals to make it a 6-3 decision, and therefore make it seem less ‘divisive’. This would of course be used to try and further marginalize opposition to gay marriage.


15 posted on 09/01/2013 6:18:46 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

One thing is CERTAIN... Ruth Ginsberg WILL vote to legalize homosexual marriage.

She just officiated one.

See here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3061274/posts


16 posted on 09/01/2013 6:22:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

17 posted on 09/01/2013 6:23:15 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is staged, after supporting gay marriage since at least 2009, suddenly Mary and Liz have a public disagreement over Liz’s newly invented social conservatism.

Liz Cheney fully supported gay marriage as “freedom means freedom for everyone”, that is a civil rights statement.

Liz Cheney supported the homosexual agenda at the FEDERAL level, and for homosexualizing the American military.

Cheney is pulling a Romney, she is just suddenly reversing her positions after years of promoting them.

Liz Cheney was early in her support for gay marriage and the homosexual agenda, including at the federal level and for the military.

She wanted DADT ended and rejoiced when it was, she was against DOMA, is against a constitutional amendment to save marriage, and supports gay marriage, and supports the State department move to the gay agenda.

After 46 years of life and politics, and being a member of the Romney campaign where she never expressed a pro-life belief, she has also suddenly become “strongly pro-life”, just for this campaign.


18 posted on 09/01/2013 6:24:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: zerosix
I'd like to be pointed to any such statements or writings before tossing aside her support of Mitt Romney, as I reluctantly voted for him rather than decline to vote or throw away my vote.

Read post 11 again, she wanted and worked for Romney in 2008.

19 posted on 09/01/2013 6:25:49 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
"Liz Cheney has supported gay marriage and the homosexual agenda for years, while having never revealed any pro-life leanings."

I do read the claim and though she did support Romney, who also had supported homosexual unions while serving in MA, claimed to have a "change of heart" but many in the Republican wound up "supporting" him, though not his prior liberal stances.

I viewed myself as supporting a conservative wing of the Republican Party, though no one could accuse me of supporting a homosexual agenda merely because I supported its candidate.

Again, if you can point me to anything Liz has said or written in favor of the homosexual agenda, I'd be most appreciative.

20 posted on 09/01/2013 6:33:22 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Am I supposed to believe this...like Liz is from Wyoming?

I wonder what plans Karl rove and George Soros have for Liz Cheney


21 posted on 09/01/2013 6:35:38 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (You cannot be conservative while supporting the bankruptcy of your nation)
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To: zerosix
I've never heard of her "support" for gay unions

We don't know how she feels about gay unions, but we know that she supports homosexual marriage.

You might also ask yourself why she moved to a new state just to knock off a pro-life, anti-gay marriage republican senator rather than run from her own state against a democrat.

22 posted on 09/01/2013 6:37:06 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SeekAndFind
"I am strongly pro-life and I am not pro-gay marriage," Liz Cheney said in her statement on Friday. "I believe the issue of marriage must be decided by the states, and by the people in the states, not by judges and not even by legislators, but by the people themselves."

Liz says that NOW...I am suspicious of the timing.

I also am concerned about her trying to poach a reliable conservative senator....why not try to defeat a demonrat senator....

23 posted on 09/01/2013 6:41:03 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: DesScorp

I believe that is what is happening. I am cynical. Look, she is trying to unseat a good conservative senator.
Why?

If she were running against a Democrat or a RINO, I would send her money...but this Wyoming thing is ridiculous.


24 posted on 09/01/2013 6:42:48 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

Ginsburg has actually made comments that seem to lament how the Sup Court hijacked the abortion issue with its Roe decision, and how it prevented a proper democratic resolution to the issue.

But of course that hasn’t stopped her for voting for abortion rights every time she’s had the chance, and from continuing to keep it out of the democratic process. And it won’t stop her from doing the exact same thing with marriage.

She’s a disgrace. Her ilk are exactly what anti-federalist Brutus warned us about, and that Thomas Jefferson feared would arise under a renegade Supreme Court.


25 posted on 09/01/2013 6:44:25 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: DesScorp

You’re not cynical.

You’re just correct, that’s all.


26 posted on 09/01/2013 6:45:50 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: zerosix

It is clear that you are one of those rino sympathizers who needs your hand held as you are led through things that have been exposed here thousands of times over many years and two presidential cycles.

Romney, who gave the nation homosexual marriage, never changed on homosexualizing the military and his support for homosexualizing the Boy Scout leadership, he also campaigned as opposing the GOP’s pro-life party platform and for “health” of the mother and was running pro-choice ads in at least two states.

Here is a starting point for you to start catching up on Liz.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3044204/posts?page=105


27 posted on 09/01/2013 6:50:59 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SoFloFreeper
"I am strongly pro-life and I am not pro-gay marriage,"

Both of those positions are only from days, to weeks old, they did not exist until weeks ago.

They are both brand spanking new and shiny.

28 posted on 09/01/2013 6:54:40 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Are you suggesting that she is “severely” Conservative?


29 posted on 09/01/2013 6:57:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: zerosix

From the horse’s mouth, here’s a Youtube video with Liz Cheney’s pre-candidate beliefs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vyN_hvd4Qw

Liz Cheney also supported the repeal of don’t ask, don’t tell.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2010/12/07/177165/cheney-dadt/

(Yes, I know it’s a lib source.)

I found this next one, coincidence of coincidences, hilarious.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/184967-liz-cheney-obama-trying-to-have-it-both-ways-on-gay-rights-issues

The money quote from that article:

“When he speaks to that audience he tries to sound like he’s, you know, some sort of a fighter and advocate for equality, but when he’s trying to appeal to people who may not have that as their primary issue, he has got another position,” Cheney said.

LOL, Liz!


30 posted on 09/01/2013 6:57:24 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: ansel12
Well, no one who knows me would ever consider me a RINO supporter as I have led our "Retire a RINO" campaign, am adamantly, pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment and anti-amnesty.....and put my money and time where my mouth is. That having been said, I have never failed to vote, even when forced to choose between the ideal candidate and the liberal/Marxist.

I am also anti-establishment GOP and haven't given any money to the RNC for decades but prefer to give it instead to the candidates and/or the PACs supporting conservatives.

As you seem frustrated that I am reluctant to accept your word on what she is for or against, I assume that you take that hesitancy as a personal insult.

That reluctance is in no way intended as a personal insult.

31 posted on 09/01/2013 7:46:15 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: SeekAndFind

It she were rational - fair - which if on the ‘Left’ and where most of these folks are - she would allow that her sister is entitled to her own opinion. But no. . .


32 posted on 09/01/2013 7:55:57 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Waryone
Thanks for your helpful information. It's refreshing to have her stances, in her own words, not just claims that she was in favor of this or that.

I know she comes from a family that supports homosexual unions and other pro-establishment agenda.

33 posted on 09/01/2013 7:56:05 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: zerosix

No I’m frustrated that you tried to use your 2012 vote for Romney as justification for Liz Cheney preferring and working for Romney in 2008, that and the fact that I have to do all this basic politics 101 to bring you up to date.

I notice that in your avoidance of the facts on Liz Cheney that you aren’t even responding to things like the link in post 27, or the further information in post 18, or post 22.

Sorry, but you sure come off as a rino lover when you do that.


34 posted on 09/01/2013 8:05:07 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yeah, cause - whatever...

35 posted on 09/01/2013 8:07:35 PM PDT by stormer
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To: zerosix; Waryone
I know she comes from a family that supports homosexual unions and other pro-establishment agenda.

Why bother posting that? I don't think that was Waryone's point in post 30.

If you like the link to the 2009 video in post 30, then why didn't you like it when I linked the same video and other information in post 27???

36 posted on 09/01/2013 8:10:28 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: dfwgator

LOL.


37 posted on 09/01/2013 8:14:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Sorry but my link failed to work, so I didn’t get it.


38 posted on 09/01/2013 8:31:48 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: zerosix; ansel12

You are welcome! Though I see that ansel12 beat me to it.

You can see for yourself that Liz Cheney is a duplicitous liar, like Romney and Rubio, liberals and every single person associated with the GOPe. Hopefully she and the other establishment/elites all choke on their hypocrisy.


39 posted on 09/02/2013 8:13:11 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
I was truly sad to learn of her outright lies and distortions (in DC talk, it is "obfuscation"),

Prior to this, she had impressed me as she has stood up for some conservative principles, just not a genuine conservative, as I now find out.

40 posted on 09/02/2013 9:05:48 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: DesScorp

She’ll have a post-victory epiphany and that’s that.


41 posted on 09/05/2013 5:36:03 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SeekAndFind

email from the Liz campaign

“Friend — outside groups have begun invading Wyoming. “

which I find hilarious, as she herself invaded from outside the state


42 posted on 10/23/2013 4:12:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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