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Obama Indicts Obama
PJ Media ^ | 9-1-13 | Victor Davis Hansen

Posted on 09/02/2013 2:29:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

One of the problems that Barack Obama has in mounting an attack against the Assad regime is that the gambit violates every argument Barack Obama used against the Bush administration to establish his own anti-war candidacy.

The hypocrisy is so stunning that it infuriates his critics and stuns his supporters.

Deriding the Iraq war was Obama’s signature selling point. He used it to great effect against both Hillary Clinton (who voted for the war) in the Democratic primaries and John McCain in the general election. For the last five years, disparagement of “Iraq” and “Bush” has seemed to intrude into almost every sentence the president utters.

And now? His sudden pro-war stance makes a number of hypocritical assumptions. First, the U.S. president can attack a sovereign nation without authorization from Congress (unlike the Iraq war when George W. Bush obtained authorization from both houses of Congress). Even if Obama gets a no vote, he said that he reserves the right to strike.

Second, Obama assumes that the U.S. must go it alone and attack unilaterally (unlike the coalition of the willing of some 40 nations that joined us in Iraq).

Third, it is unnecessary even to approach the UN (unlike Iraq when the Bush administration desperately sought UN support).

Fourth, the U.S. president must make a judgment call on the likelihood of WMD use, which is grounds ipso facto to go to war (unlike Iraq when the vast majority of the 23 congressionally authorized writs had nothing to do with WMD [e.g., genocide of the Marsh Arabs and Kurds, bounties to suicide bombers, harboring of international terrorists, violations of UN agreements, attempts to kill a former U.S. president, etc.]).

So review for a moment the Old Obama case against the New Obama.

On the perils of going it alone

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hypocracy; iran; israel; lebanon; maheralassad; russia; spelchek; syria; syrua; thebrotherdidit; unitedfruitcompany; unitedkingdom; war; waronterror

1 posted on 09/02/2013 2:29:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

That shouldn’t be hard to do.


2 posted on 09/02/2013 2:35:55 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If the United States were to engage Syria militarily it’s pretty much unwinnable because of the threats the US faces from Russian missiles which are a decade ahead of the US. I hope the Congress votes no.


3 posted on 09/02/2013 2:45:17 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman

Putin in sturdy, it’s Iran that worries me and what’s going to happen to the planet when the Iranians get the bomb...


4 posted on 09/02/2013 2:48:25 AM PDT by Netz
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To: erlayman

Obama has just been “Hansonized”...brilliant!


5 posted on 09/02/2013 2:49:23 AM PDT by Netz
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sarah Palin on Obama: He was against Bush’s wars?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3061479/posts


6 posted on 09/02/2013 2:55:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Netz

Hey dudes it’s not like God went on vacation here. Iran is less than pipsqueak to the Lord.

At the same time if you haven’t latched on to His unshakable kingdom, you’re in for a pretty big shaking.


7 posted on 09/02/2013 3:23:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
B. Candidate Obama has always been an adroit demagogue. He knew how to score political points against George Bush, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain, without any intention of abiding by his own sweeping declarations. The consistency in Obama’s foreign policy is his own carefully calibrated self-interest. Bombing or not bombing, shutting down or keeping open Guantanamo Bay, going or not going to the UN or the U.S. Congress — these choices are all predicated not on principle, but only on what a canny and unprincipled Obama feels best suits his own political interests and self-image at any given moment. In a self-created jam, he flipped and now goes to Congress in hopes of pinning responsibility on them, whether we go or not, whether successful or unsuccessful if we do. He is a quite clever demagogue.

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name.

8 posted on 09/02/2013 3:24:02 AM PDT by quimby
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I got an e-mail from a friend who said ZERO messing around with Syria is like a monkey with a live hand grenade.


9 posted on 09/02/2013 3:24:16 AM PDT by DeaconRed (The lunatic is in the house. . . . . . The White House. . . . . .)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Congress Critters....impeach Obama. Deny Obama an approval to attack Syria!!! Defund Obamacare -———www.dontfundobamacare.com, Lee/Cruz petition!!!


10 posted on 09/02/2013 3:24:16 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Zero pro-war stance is nothing more than his rhetoric catching up with his pride. Once he drew a red line in the sand without having a clue that what to do if it was crossed he now find himself looking like a fool.


11 posted on 09/02/2013 3:27:44 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The situation is so obvious I’m surprised even a RINO or Bushbot don’t GET IT..

Obama is a drone taking orders.. thats why he appears to go one way and then goes another..
And whatever he says is doubletalk... Jackie Gleason style himmina himmina..

Some cabal decides to do one thing and it matters little whats been already said..
The cabal MUST be obeyed..

The only thing I’m afraid of.. is that Congress generally is in control of the Cabal as well..
And maybe even the Supremes..

The italian Mafia easily controlled many governments and police departments..
Why not a super Mafia.. the Progressive Mafia..
With certain “MADE MEN/WOMEN”, queers and various other degenerates. ...
Don’t forget the Capos... there must be Capos.. leg breakers and other intimidators..

Steven King eat yer heart out..


12 posted on 09/02/2013 3:28:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, I hope G-d is watching over His chosen people because in this man-made era of Barakeh Hussein, Israel is in big trouble.

Iran is a monster, let out of its bottle in 1979. Since then she has built a mighty fighting force, like North Korea. They may feed on a steady diet of weeds and gravel but getting the bomb is paramount. No sanction in the world will stall them...


13 posted on 09/02/2013 3:39:51 AM PDT by Netz
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To: hosepipe

Stephen King... fooey on him and his tame hells. We are watching real live, wild hell here. The “cabal” exists — it is out of this world, literally.

HOWEVER, folks... God never went on vacation. And He can stomp on hell in nothing flat. He’s waiting for Your call... the reconciliation needs only a moment.


14 posted on 09/02/2013 3:41:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Netz

I sometimes get bemused over typographical bends on the Lord. The Cross made God accessible without fussy ceremony. Was it for nothing that the temple curtain ripped in two?

Anyhow, God is far bigger than this monster. I would go as far as saying look for a miraculous beatdown if Israel gets involved. Not even for the sake of the secular country but for the Jews there who are jealous for His name, however confused the Cross still makes them.


15 posted on 09/02/2013 3:43:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Obama can’t be a hypocrite.

Christians are hypocrites if they fail to live up to their lofty ideal (even if they sincerely believe those ideals and make a major effort to model their lives on those standards, they are still called hypocrites if they fail.

Conservatives are hypocrites if they oppose an idea that any republican has ever advocated. Romney supported Romneycare, so any conservative who opposes any form of socialized medicine is a racist and a hypocrite. It doesn’t matter that conservatives opposed Romneycare and the individual mandate when Romney implemented them in Massachusetts, conservatives are still called hypocrites for opposing them when they were forced on us by an alleged woman (Pelosi), an alleged black American (Obama), and an alleged Mormon (Reid).

But a black liberal cannot be a hypocrite. Let’s use a different term. Perhaps we should say that Obama is temporarily misguided, and that is only because of the unrelenting and irrational opposition of the vast right wing conspiracy, which is Bush’s fault.


16 posted on 09/02/2013 3:48:48 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Good article. The only one of the four options offered by Hanson with which I disagree is that Obama is a naïf and just learning some hard lessons. I definitely think he’s not very bright, and he’s ignorant and actually doesn’t want to learn or to understand the reality; but this comes out of malevolence and a desire to punish the US, as Hanson notes elsewhere, as well as out of his ideological committment to a fantasy Third World Islamic movement of which he believes he is the leader.

The only point at which naïveté may enter into it is in this latter belief; I think he doesn’t realize that each Muslim faction considers its particular leader to be the potential new caliph, and they’re not going to welcome him with open arms as he expected because they actually consider him an upstart rival.


17 posted on 09/02/2013 3:52:33 AM PDT by livius
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Question: If the president takes us to war and this escalates quickly, can the government use it as an excuse to bypass all concerns of the deficit, which is a looming spectre in the next month?


18 posted on 09/02/2013 4:12:47 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Barack the magic...


19 posted on 09/02/2013 4:34:58 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not even for the sake of the secular country but for the Jews there who are jealous for His name, however confused the Cross still makes them.

As a Jew and an Israeli I can, gently and calmly tell you that the Jews I know I are neither “jealous for His name” and are not in the least “confused” regarding the cross. We are (Jews & Christians), after all are supposed to be in this TOGETHER, not deriding one to the other...I respect your views but it should be mutual. Islam wants to erase us both so we need to think together, not apart.


20 posted on 09/02/2013 4:45:29 AM PDT by Netz
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To: afraidfortherepublic
All republicans in both houses and a good number of Dems should vote no re taking action in Syria. Let Obama and those hypocrite Dems that vote yes face the 80 % of the voters who in current polls are against us taking action.
Why should the citizens of this country support bailing a clown president out of the bind he got himself into with his tough talk red line proclamation.
21 posted on 09/02/2013 5:21:37 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks afraidfortherepublic.
His sudden pro-war stance... can attack a sovereign nation without authorization from Congress (unlike the Iraq war when George W. Bush obtained authorization from both houses of Congress)... that the U.S. must go it alone and attack unilaterally (unlike the coalition of the willing of some 40 nations that joined us in Iraq)... unnecessary even to approach the UN (unlike Iraq when the Bush administration desperately sought UN support)... must make a judgment call on the likelihood of WMD use, which is grounds ipso facto to go to war (unlike Iraq when the vast majority of the 23 congressionally authorized writs had nothing to do with WMD [e.g., genocide of the Marsh Arabs and Kurds, bounties to suicide bombers, harboring of international terrorists, violations of UN agreements, attempts to kill a former U.S. president, etc.]).

22 posted on 09/02/2013 5:32:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: DeaconRed
That comment was from the Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin

"Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin compared Barack Obama’s foreign policy in the Middle East to a “monkey with a hand grenade.”

23 posted on 09/02/2013 5:33:46 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: hosepipe
The only thing I’m afraid of.. is that Congress generally is in control of the Cabal as well..
And maybe even the Supremes..

Both Congress and the Supreme Court have degenerated into walking, talking, living, breathing rubber stamps for the Executive branch. The two political parties are the two faces of the Government party. There's no Easter bunny, Santa Claus, or tooth færie.

24 posted on 09/02/2013 5:51:54 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

25 posted on 09/02/2013 8:03:08 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
whatever makes the traditional idea of the U.S as a superpower weaker, Obama promotes; whatever enhances our profile, he opposes.

But also domestically. The free America must be torn down to make way for his socialist dictatorship

26 posted on 09/02/2013 9:04:04 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Netz

Nope, I stand for the work of the Cross.

That Cross was why God offered you guys forgiveness and it still is why.

The Cross does its work whether or not you recognize it now. It doesn’t depend on you exalting it right now, it depends on you exalting the Lord Himself — the same Jehovah you knew from Abraham’s time. The Lord will clear up that matter in due time. Isaiah 53 was your look ahead; if you want to parse it all differently that doesn’t change what it meant.

I find it strange that you are not jealous for the name of the Lord. Many serious Orthodox Jews are.


27 posted on 09/02/2013 11:08:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Standing Wolf
There's no Easter bunny, Santa Claus, or tooth færie.
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.. WE're working on that..... have faith...

28 posted on 09/02/2013 2:23:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When was the Cross offered?
Jesus being a practicing Jew had no cross, had no Christianity, had no Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Jesus rejected certain aspects of Jewish practice and said who he thought he was but he did not meet the precise criteria to be considered the Messiah, hence, he was rejected.

That rejection has cost us quad-upteen-trillions in life and property and peace.

I do not want to get into polemics here with you because I respect your belief. Will you respect mine? Note that I do not “offer” you anything, no cross, no Judaic belief, no promises of anything because we Jews do not proselytize. I will not tell or sell you my faith because it is not for sale or for the highest bidder. Nor is it in my interest to convince or persuade you that I am more right than you. You offer me the Cross but I have the one and only G-d who's name we do not even mention, no "Jehovah" (by the way, that is not the correct pronunciation of His name). What does it mean to be "jealous" for the name of the Lord? Serious Orthodox Jews are not "jealous" in the sense that I understand it. Orthodox Jews reject your entire thesis out of hand. I at least am in a dialog with you. They (the Orthodox) would not even engage you on this subject. So, what do we learn here? Tolerance.

29 posted on 09/03/2013 9:31:04 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

I mean, like I discovered that the Lord was more interested in His human creatures than simply wanting them to hope He might get around to doing something nice for them. This was clear from the very start of the bible events. An infinitely powerful God who stooped to personally visiting a pair of sinners in a garden, then later to telling (alas, in vain) Cain to cheer up and try again the right way when his first sacrifice failed, has to have a good reason for reining in His own majesty to the extent of making such an encounter even possible without killing the person who was encountered.

Christians boldly assert that the reason was revealed to them. Differ if you must, but you cannot deny the utter change of world view it imparts in a life; a horribly feared God becomes a fantastically loved God. Those treating the Christ as some club mascot to be fanatically defended from desecration by outsiders are at best very weak, and likely have no clue at all. You are safe (and wise) to ignore them. Listen to the ones who show the love, who will forgive you when you have cursed them out to the maximum. Those are the real Christians.


31 posted on 09/03/2013 3:36:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nobody is cursing out anybody...

Remain true to your beliefs and take part in the G-d of love, your G-d of love.


32 posted on 09/04/2013 8:23:38 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

I would note a curious asymmetry to our positions, though.

We Christians state that your faith is valid, but we know a larger context for it.

You... and go ahead and read just what you wrote... really trashed the basis of Christianity. Now if Christ were a mascot to me I’d be all over you like hair on a bear for that. But Christ is far larger than anything you can do to Him. He just wants men to stop... then He will forgive them and bless them and use even the occasions of their sin to bestow grace and glory upon them. These are God sized tasks, friend. Phonies could not do this.

May the good Lord grant you a wonderful, blessed New Year.


33 posted on 09/04/2013 10:23:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Netz

Oh... and the reason (referring to earlier statements you made) Jesus didn’t “worship a Son” was that He WAS the Son, having temporarily donned garments of human flesh to make the ultimately humble personal visit to Earth. I think you even know that Christians teach this, it certainly is no big secret they keep, but your attitude of disdain has warped it into a misrepresentation. Similarly the gospels point to a Holy Spirit (which is also what Moses saw in the bush, and spoken of numerous times in the Hebrew scriptures). And a Father is agreed to by all. God didn’t have to tell everyone from the start everything about who He was, in order to do what He did. He’s God, we’re man, we don’t have to have the entire master plan for God to keep right on being God, as if God existed by understanding of some human committee!


34 posted on 09/04/2013 10:52:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
My intent was not to “trash” the basis of your faith. I accept your belief in Christ as Lord & Savior but the Trilogy is a difficult concept to understand to one not brought up in it.
So, let me restate my view.
In our view, this is no Trilogy. There is only G-d and Man.
Man must perform (or, if you will, serve) G-d via a tool called “Mitzvot”. A “Mitzva” (singular form) as you probably know the word from the Jewish ritual of a young man's Bar Mitzva or son of a good deed or commandment are those commandments handed down from G-d to Man, BETWEEN G-d and Man.
But, there are a second and more important set of Mitzvot. Those between Man and Man or how we conduct our daily lives and relationships with our fellow men.

You can go to Church or Synagogue punctually everyday but if you run your life outside of these Man to Man values, you are in trouble.

So, we put our behavior and values above the Synagogue building edifice. This is where it counts. I do not need absolution from a Priest or Rabbi. These men are men, not above G-d and they are guides but not more than that.

Man did not need and intermediary demi-G-d in order for His message to be understood. It's between you and your Creator.

In any event, thank you for those Rosh Ha Shana (Jewish New Year blessings.

We have been at this 5,774 years by now and our faith and adherence to Torah has lasted all tests of time.

Thank you Sir.

35 posted on 09/04/2013 9:25:53 PM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

How many distortions are here in your answer? Surely even if you disagree you’d like to get the facts straight?

It’s Trinity, not Trilogy. A trilogy is what a fiction author might write. A “trinity” is a term Christians came up with to describe what had already been revealed to them as a real God possessing a character that manifests in three persons, and interestingly enough trinitarians are accepted as monotheists in most rabbinical circles (one common analogy is that the three Persons are viewed as spokes in a wheel that yet remains one wheel). This happens to matter to the rabbis when the Christian is a servant in a Jewish household, for instance, so that various customary prohibitions on idolaters and polytheists are not violated. God let it matter to them so that they would go clearly on record about it.

The priestly confession is a Roman Catholic practice. Crazy evangelicals like me beg to disagree about that. Confession and forsaking of sin, personally and privately, to the Lord is sufficient and several New Testament verses back that up. At best a congregational leader facilitating a confession is led by God in which case they are only giving a reading of what God says, which will always be to accept a sincere confession. And they shouldn’t be sloppy about presuming that they are getting a reading from God any more than any Joe Blow could be a Hebrew prophet.

We Christians do assert that no man has the right to place a spiritual bondage upon another man. All such bondage is held as null and void by the Lord. If you won’t forgive your neighbor, that doesn’t put a valid spiritual claim against your neighbor. Yes this flies in the face of a lot of rabbinical custom and you should get a clue that these rabbis are playing with spiritual fire here!

God is not preserving you folks because your behavior is so wonderful or even because you say you adhere to a Torah you break every day. God is preserving you folks because God promised to — WELL before the Law was given. Don’t give your efforts such airs. Give the Lord some glory for what He has done for you in spite of you.


36 posted on 09/04/2013 10:36:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Netz

Also... you DID trash it... read your words, a quite distorted account of Christian claims and no attempt to even understand... you hate the Christian claims, admit it. Hate them to the bottom of your heart.

If Christians had the slightest reason to believe Christ was anything less than real, would they be trying to bless people having such hate? They wouldn’t. Why court the headache?

You’re proud of your faith, how it has kept you and your people (as you view it). How about being infinitely MORE proud of the Lord God for what He has done for you, even as you understand Him now? That’s what I mean by being jealous for His name. One’s name is one’s fame, in biblical terms. Consider Job. Job had to be taught a painful lesson so he wouldn’t get stuck in his worship life, as well as he was doing. God wanted Job to open up to a fuller reverence of the Lord in His glory. Once Job did, then Job was blessed twice as much.


37 posted on 09/04/2013 10:52:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You stated:

Hate them to the bottom of your heart.

If you take my views in a hateful sense then you have gotten me wrong. I do not hate you or your Christian faith. My words are meant basically to say, look:

You accept Jesus and that is fine.

We do not feel that He fulfilled all the constraints required to be a Messiah. Again, He was revolutionary Jew, with a different approach that, well, caught on with the masses in the West. Jesus was a Jew and lived as a Jew. Christianity was born after he passed from this world.

As I stated before, our rejection of what is for you the Lord has enraged Christianity for 2 milennia. My people, the Chosen people have been targeted by other faiths for a very long time.

I can see you're getting all worked up, thinking I am attacking your position. I am not, I am, however rejecting your concept FOR ME, not for you and other Christians.

I think at a time where Islam is waging war on both you and me, that we need more dialog and less emotional hurt so, please give it a try, ok?

38 posted on 09/05/2013 1:41:34 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

“Emotional upset”? You’re projecting mightily upon me; I tell you what I tell you pretty much in great calmness; “just the facts, Jack.”

Yes, Jesus “miserably failed” the Pharisees’ test. He wanted to bring heaven to all humans. The Pharisees got bummed out over Jesus’ failure to deliver the Jews from the Romans. Jesus sought to deliver the Jews from something worse than Romans. Jesus sought to deliver the Jews from sin and Satan; and if that could be achieved then the Romans would be no problem at all; they’d become loving friends. The messianic theology you have is 90% manmade.

So the spotlight has passed over TEMPORARILY to the Gentiles. God, in His unique manner of seeking to bring matters to a head, has said to the Jews something like “OK, you think my Christ is nasty? Well I will show you what nasty is! I will send you nasty Christians! But I won’t destroy you because I promised you a perpetual posterity. And you will eventually get the point and accept My love.”

Anyhow, you can at least make a start by cheering on and loving your own God as you understand Him right now. It will bring you great power if you do. He’s not there playing dice on a calendar for your lucky day; He’s patiently waiting for you folks.


39 posted on 09/05/2013 4:48:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Netz

And about Islam... there’s a deeper culprit here. It’s Satan. If the currently Islamic people gave Satan his walking papers by means of embracing God’s salvation, then they’d become Christian friends and would be practically falling over one another to get you Jews a Holy Land just like the bible promised. They are captives too to sin and Satan. God’s not the one with the grudge here, pal... it’s people who are.


40 posted on 09/05/2013 5:00:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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