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Enviro-lawsuit forces five Indiana coal plants to shut down
Daily Caller ^ | 8/30/2013 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 09/02/2013 8:03:39 AM PDT by kevcol

The “war on coal” has five new casualties.

A lawsuit brought by environmental groups has forced the shutdown of five Indiana coal-fired power plants by 2018, totalling 668 megawatts of power.
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“While today’s settlement is a step in the right direction, more must be done to ensure that Hoosier families are protected from rising energy bills and the enormous health threats posed by Indiana’s reliance on coal-fired power plants,” said Jodi Perras with the Sierra Club’s anti-coal campaign.

The Sierra Club and other environmental groups have been targeting coal plants nationwide for retirement, which they say contribute to global warming and cause health problems.

As part of the settlement, Duke Energy also agreed to create a feed-in tariff program to purchase at least 30 megawatts of solar power from Indiana customers or buy or install 15 megawatts of green power capacity.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: coal; coalplants; dukeenergy; epa; epaoutofcontrol; globalwarming; greenenergy; greens; sierrraclub; waroncoal

1 posted on 09/02/2013 8:03:39 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

So where are the unwashed masses going to plug in the “smart” cars and “smart” phones? This doesn’t seem very “smart” to me.


2 posted on 09/02/2013 8:05:29 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The time for impeachment has come.)
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To: kevcol

Hope those enviro-whacko’s freeze in the dark this winter.


3 posted on 09/02/2013 8:06:35 AM PDT by SkyDancer (A white woman would be accused of racism if she gave birth to a white baby.)
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To: kevcol
more must be done to ensure that Hoosier families are protected from rising energy bills so we're cutting supply that will raise the costs!!! wait, what?
4 posted on 09/02/2013 8:12:07 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: kevcol
Well hell YEAH y'protected me from rising energy costs ... you took ALL energy away from me ..... until you get an alternative source for me.

No ... take your time

I can wait ...

5 posted on 09/02/2013 8:15:12 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: kevcol

Obama keeps another campaign promise to the Doofus Demographic

He promised to shut down the coal industry but the Doofus Demographic didn’t listen.

He promised unspecified “Change” but didn’t say it would all be bad.
So the Doofus Demographic mistakenly assumed it would be positive - things they would like.

He promised to focus on the economy.
The Doofus Demographic mistakenly assumed he meant he meant he would improve it.

He promised he would focus on job creation - and he is.
Butthe Doofus Demographic didn’t think he meant he would do his best to stifle and reduce creation of jobs.


6 posted on 09/02/2013 8:17:34 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: kevcol

How long until all the coal miners and their families start targeting the “environmentals”. I seem to recall coal miners being pretty aggressive protecting their jobs in the past.


7 posted on 09/02/2013 8:19:01 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: kevcol

Isn’t it time for the coal miner’s union to start terminating Sierra Club members and burning their facilities? What good is a union that can’t bring targeted violence to bear? < /sarc >


8 posted on 09/02/2013 8:20:06 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: kevcol

Guess Who Voted For Obama.....


9 posted on 09/02/2013 8:20:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: kevcol

re: ““While today’s settlement is a step in the right direction, more must be done to ensure that Hoosier families are protected from rising energy bills and the enormous health threats posed by Indiana’s reliance on coal-fired power plants,” said Jodi Perras with the Sierra Club’s anti-coal campaign.”

What a bunch of bald-faced liars these guys are!!

“. . . ensure that Hoosier families are protected from rising energy bills and the enormous health threats posed by Indiana’s reliance on coal-fired power plants,” ???

What do they think is going to happen to energy costs for families by closing these 8 plants?? And, what about the loss of all those jobs?? Lord, Above, He told us not to hate our enemies, but sometimes. . .


10 posted on 09/02/2013 8:34:49 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
The doublespeak perfected by the Clintons.
11 posted on 09/02/2013 8:36:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Chode

Clearly, the “greenies” have a different method of “accounting” than is popularly employed by those who actually use numbers in their calculations. Shutting down coal plants, without an adequate and relatively inexpensive alternative, is spitting into the wind - it will come back and spatter all over your own face.

There is a quick fix, NOT involving all this artificially supported and ineffective “renewable energy” sources like wind or solar power, that is reliable, adaptable to shifting load demands, and of which the technology already exists. Natural-gas fired turbines can be spooled up and running on line in only minutes in times of heavy demand, or cut out as the load slackens, and they use a readily available and mostly less expensive energy source, natural gas. For standby purposes they are nearly perfect, and would have to be built ANYWAY if the “renewable energy” sources are widely adopted, as these so-called “green alternatives” have not shown much in the way of either flexibility or reliability.

So just cut out the double expense, and never even build the “renewable energy” wind and/or solar plants. Except for very specialized applications, that technology is pretty much a dead end.

But for long-term supply of power for the base loads, Nuclear power generation is the standard for reliability and minimal fuel costs. However, the technology is based on the “burning” of uranium as the power source, when any rational thinker would consider the application of thorium-based nuclear reactors as a much more cost-effective and far less troublesome technology. For one thing, the presence of thorium is much more wide-spread than uranium, and the “spent” fuel takes up far less volume of space that the profusion of “spent” uranium fuel rods. Even more useful, the thorium reactors are capable of using the untapped energy that remains in the “spent” uranium rods, through a breeder reaction, and thus consume the ever-growing stockpile of atomic “waste” that now limits the further application of nuclear power generation.

The technology already exists, and development has reached the stage of industrial application. What is missing is the will to cast off all the superstitious fear and get on with the business of generating adequate power to sustain a growing civilization.


12 posted on 09/02/2013 8:36:48 AM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: alloysteel

I totally agree with your assessment, alloysteel. Great post.


13 posted on 09/02/2013 8:43:41 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: kevcol
We are fighting for our lives to keep Big Blow from covering 80% of our county with 50 story high Industrial Wind Turbines that these Green Bastards will never have to live around.

This is 12 miles from my house, and if we don't get the German Owned companies stopped, they will be within a mile of my house too

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14 posted on 09/02/2013 8:44:52 AM PDT by digger48
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To: alloysteel

15 megawatts of “renewable” energy to replace 668 of coal fired. Sounds like a fair trade to me. Here’s a question for the greenies: How much energy does that endless forest of windmills in northern Indiana produce (when they are running)?


15 posted on 09/02/2013 8:49:43 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: kevcol

I’m so sick of environmentalists. These people want us to decrease our standard of living. They won’t be happy until every home uses a latrine and we cook our meals on an open fire. Oh, wait a minute. All of those human wastes might seep deeper into the ground and contaminate our groundwater supplies. Building fires means we would be cutting down too many trees and destroying forests. Not to mention the CO2 threat we’d be creating with all of these fires. I’m being silly here but who doesn’t think the average, whacked-out environmental kook doesn’t have ideas like that? The Sierra Club, Greenpeace, and the others want the destruction of the industrialized world and they want to create an environmentally sustainable version of Sir Thomas Moore’s Utopia.


16 posted on 09/02/2013 8:59:31 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: kevcol

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.

3. The earth is a rock.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


17 posted on 09/02/2013 9:00:07 AM PDT by abclily
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To: alloysteel
100%... Pebble-Bed reactors are the way to go
18 posted on 09/02/2013 9:01:09 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: abclily
Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

About the size of Mickey Rooney.

19 posted on 09/02/2013 9:01:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Look, all they have to do is convert these coal plants to electric plants. Electricity is clean and abundant. They can simply run these power plants off electricity.

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20 posted on 09/02/2013 9:05:19 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: abclily

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?

Higher taxes.


21 posted on 09/02/2013 9:05:37 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: abclily

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?

More regulations.
Crack down on sun worship.


22 posted on 09/02/2013 9:07:28 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Chode

What ever happened to all of the limestone/coal fluidized bed research power plants? At one time, those were touted as the way to reduce emmissions, particularly co2 and sulfur.


23 posted on 09/02/2013 9:13:51 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: VanShuyten
prolly worked too well, so it went on the shelf...
24 posted on 09/02/2013 9:24:43 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SkyDancer

“Hope those enviro-whacko’s freeze in the dark this winter.”

These elitists will always find a way to get what they need while the unwashed masses go without. It works that way in all socialist societies.


25 posted on 09/02/2013 9:50:22 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: SkyDancer

Hope those enviro-whacko’s freeze in the dark this winter.


They won’t, These guys and gals always manage to live in the most Temperature neutral places possible. On the other hand, more than ever I see a ‘backlash’ building up. What I’m not so sure of is if it will happen before CW-II or if these people will become ‘collateral damage’ during it.

In any case I do see bad things happening to and because of these people.


26 posted on 09/02/2013 10:47:12 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man; kevcol
"I do see bad things happening"

You don't have a very good view because you are getting your info from a political website that is not very credible.

If you were to get your info from a local Indiana source you would know of the 5 plants, one has not been built or even permitted, but the price tag keeps escalating.

The other 4 plants are small plants built in the 1950s that don't generate a lot of power but do emit a lot of pollution.

So what do they need to do? What everybody else is doing. Build natural gas plants because natural gas is dirt cheap.

Almost all of the new generating capacity being added thru out the country in natural gas fired. Wind and coal are a distant second and third.

27 posted on 09/02/2013 1:03:39 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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28 posted on 09/02/2013 1:04:42 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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29 posted on 09/02/2013 1:08:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: digger48
Whump! Whump! Whump!
30 posted on 09/02/2013 1:09:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: kevcol

There needs to be a way to bill liberals for their “green” power and conservatives for fossil-based power. There’s really no good reason for greenies to benefit from the market-based price lowered by the availability of OTG power (other than green).


31 posted on 09/02/2013 1:35:13 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: VanShuyten
What ever happened to all of the limestone/coal fluidized bed research power plants?

They are out there operating just fine. But neither does anything about the fictitious pollutant know as CO2. Limestone (scrubbers) and fluidized bed boilers do a very fine job of reducing SO2 (Sulpher Dioxide) and NOx (Nitrus Oxide) emissions. Neither technology does anything to reduce CO2 which is why the Enviro-Marxists reclassified totally harmless CO2 as pollution.

Their goal is unaffordable energy prices and economic collapse, not a 'clean' environment.

32 posted on 09/03/2013 8:28:12 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: SkyDancer

No, it will be us poor old Indiana residents that are going to pay and pay. Our state is mostly coal powered. So we are sunk. We are going to go broke paying for it.


33 posted on 09/03/2013 8:30:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Ben Ficklin

Yes, we need new plants.

Richmond’s loony idea to replace the now-closed coal plant. is yet another trash-to-cash power plant, that will be yet another bankrupting failure.


34 posted on 09/03/2013 8:35:00 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: anoldafvet

” How much energy does that endless forest of windmills in northern Indiana produce (when they are running)?”

If you stop at the Southbound I-65 rest area, they used to have a board that showed the efficiency of those things. In April 2010, they were the most “Efficient”, generating 38% of possible output.

Yes, just 38%... For untold millions of dollars.

They don’t run when its too hot.
They don’t run when it’s too cold.
They don’t run when there is too much wind.
They don’t run when there isn’t enough wind.
They don’t run in icing conditions.
They don’t run when that month’s subsidy has been used up.

And let’s not even discuss the huge amount of migratory birds they kill. That would be too politically incorrect.


35 posted on 09/03/2013 8:40:03 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kevcol

If these geniuses think that energy prices are high now, wait until they close enough coal plants that they can’t generate sufficient electricity.


36 posted on 09/03/2013 8:40:38 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: tcrlaf
"now-closed coal plant"

Are you talking about the new "clean coal", "coal to gas" plant?

37 posted on 09/03/2013 9:01:59 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

No, that’s the DUKE plant is southwestern Indiana.

Richmond,IN closed their coal plant on Jan 1, due to Obama’s new Regs, and have talked about replacing it with another stupid “GREEN!!” Trash-To-Cash powerplant scheme, like has bankrupted several other cities, like Harrisburg.


38 posted on 09/03/2013 9:04:03 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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