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Conservatives to Cruz: 'Run, Ted, run'
The Hill ^ | 09/01/13 12:30 PM ET | Alexandra Jaffe

Posted on 09/02/2013 8:48:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

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1 posted on 09/02/2013 8:48:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; stephenjohnbanker; LUV W; Patty; itssme; BuckeyeTexan; Jane Long; CatherineofAragon; ..

Ted Cruz Ping!


2 posted on 09/02/2013 8:48:48 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

While Mr. Cruz has appealing qualities, I am concerned about his eligibility to be president.


3 posted on 09/02/2013 8:50:46 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Indeed, as am I. Wonderful man, excellent senator. Stay, Ted, Stay! Stay in the senate! We worked very hard to get you in there - which is why the RINOs want to take you away from us.


4 posted on 09/02/2013 8:55:16 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: Winstons Julia
While Mr. Cruz has appealing qualities, I am concerned about his eligibility to be president.

Please show me in the US Constitution the relevant parts that define "Natural Born" as requiring 2 citizen parents?

Lacking that, please provide references/links to relevant US Laws passed by Congress and signed by a US President that define the "Natural Born" requirement as needing 2 citizen parents.

Lacking that, please provide references/links to Supreme Court rulings that define "Natural Born" as needing 2 citizen parents.

Until you can do that, there is no Constitutional requirement with regards to POTUS "Natural Born" requiring 2 citizen parents.

In other words, you can be concerned all you want, but Senator Cruz IS eligible to be President until Congress passes a new law or the Supreme Court rules on the matter to match the 2 citizen parent requirement that you apparently believe is what the founders meant and should apply today.
5 posted on 09/02/2013 8:55:48 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Winstons Julia

Democrats don`t care where candidates are born.


6 posted on 09/02/2013 8:57:42 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Winstons Julia

Ted Cruz is a natural born CITIZEN and Patriot!


7 posted on 09/02/2013 8:58:32 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I always get the impression, when listening to his speeches, that he has perfected a style of contrived sincerity.,


8 posted on 09/02/2013 8:58:40 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Winstons Julia

Fortunately or not that law was resolved against your position


9 posted on 09/02/2013 9:00:20 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: bunkerhill7

“Republicans don`t care where candidates are born.”

I fixed that for you!


10 posted on 09/02/2013 9:01:09 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: SoConPubbie

MEGA DITTOS TO THAT!He “Says What He Means”(and he MEANS what he says)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 09/02/2013 9:03:03 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: SoConPubbie

“Please show me in the US Constitution the relevant parts that define “Natural Born” as requiring 2 citizen parents?”

The US Constitution explicitly distinguishes between the natural born citizens and those born outside of the united states who become citizens. Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution.

Why did the Fathers include this? They included this because they wanted to be sure that the highest office in the land was someone who was free of entanglements and was loyal to the united states, in an empirical fashion that would not change. You can purchase and acquire citizenship - where you are born cannot change.

Cruz was born in Canada. He does not have an American birth certificate. He has a Canadian birth certificate, a Canadian passport and he is a natural born Canadian citizenship, acquired from birth in Calgary Alberta.

Thus, he falls afoul of Article II section 1 of the US constitution. He is not eligible.


12 posted on 09/02/2013 9:05:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Andrew Jackson`s parents were born in Ireland.
Thomas Jefferson`s mother was born in London.


13 posted on 09/02/2013 9:05:56 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Winstons Julia

I’m sure the Democrats are thinking the same thing digging too as they dig nto their law books and figuring every avenue to challenge his eligibility. Make no mistake they fear Cruz more than anyone else on the GOP side and will use any means necessary to take him off the table as a presidential candidate.


14 posted on 09/02/2013 9:07:14 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: JCBreckenridge

I see I have opened a can of worms, but he was born in Canada and one of his parents was born in Cuba.

I have a feeling that if he was a liberal Democrat, many here would be banging the, “He is not eligible” drum.

It’s important to have consistent standards.


15 posted on 09/02/2013 9:07:17 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: SoConPubbie; onyx

Run, Ted, Run!!


16 posted on 09/02/2013 9:07:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Winstons Julia

“I have a feeling that if he was a liberal Democrat, many here would be banging the, “He is not eligible” drum.”

Indeed. I share the exact same opinion. It’s ok because it’s Cruz. No, it’s not ok.


17 posted on 09/02/2013 9:09:38 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: Winstons Julia

I’m concerned that the GOP-e RINOs are going to let our country be flushed down the drain!!

The time to rebel against politics as usual is NOW!!

Let McCain/Romney be the end of the GOP-e loser RINO train!!

Go, tea party rebellion!!

Run, Cruz, RUN!!


18 posted on 09/02/2013 9:11:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JCBreckenridge; Winstons Julia
They included this because they wanted to be sure that the highest office in the land was someone who was free of entanglements and was loyal to the united states

They did....so tell me where Ted violates this or kindly politely and with all due respect STFU.

19 posted on 09/02/2013 9:17:41 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: JCBreckenridge

no, and see post 19 if you can’t figure it out on your own.....


20 posted on 09/02/2013 9:18:26 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

He’s a Canadian citizen, was born in Canada. Has a Canadian passport.

If he were a liberal, you’d consider him ineligible.


21 posted on 09/02/2013 9:21:42 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: SoConPubbie

It’s past time concern troll birthers start getting zotted


22 posted on 09/02/2013 9:22:47 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Winstons Julia

It’s important that we support a CONSERVATIVE like Cruz who is pro-life, pro-family, pro-religious freedom, pro-gun, pro-drilling, pro-constitutionally limited small government, pro-individual liberty, pro-states rights, pro-defense, pro-border security, pro-America, anti-big government, anti-ObamaCare, anti-AMNESTY, anti-IRS, anti-income tax, anti-EPA, anti-abortion, anti-homo marriage, anti-socialism, anti-liberalism, anti-RINOism.

That’s Cruz and he has the grassroots tea party support. And he has my support. He fits the bill perfectly to head up our tea party rebellion!!

And sorry, ma’am, but he’s an AMERICAN in every sense of the word and infinitely more so than Obama or Hillary or any bought and paid for RINO that Tokyo Rove and the GOP-e can dredge up!!

Eff the RINOS!! Eff the left!!

Rebellion is ON!!

Run, Ted, RUN!!


23 posted on 09/02/2013 9:24:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

But he isn’t a liberal. He’s the most conservative prospect that we’ve had since the 1980’s. So if the libs can get away with this crap by electing Obama, then I’m all for fighting to get Cruz elected. Anything else is a unilateral surrender, something the GOP does way too often.


24 posted on 09/02/2013 9:24:28 AM PDT by turducken
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To: JCBreckenridge

Wrong! He’s an AMERICAN!!


25 posted on 09/02/2013 9:25:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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FYI
this was held in Orlando FLA


26 posted on 09/02/2013 9:27:08 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: JCBreckenridge

JCBreckenridge: “It’s ok because it’s Cruz. No, it’s not ok.”

Agreed. Born in another country to parents who are not both citizens? How could that be considered natural born? So if a Saudi prince takes an American wife and has children born in Saudi Arabia, they are “natural born” Americans? That sounds like complete nonsense to me.


27 posted on 09/02/2013 9:27:43 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: turducken

“the libs can get away with this crap by electing Obama, then I’m all for fighting to get Cruz elected”

I thought we were conservatives and not liberals. Guess I thought wrong. Liberals justify it because they believe that power trumps principles. Doing the right thing - in the end - will benefit us far more.

Here’s what I see happening. RINOs will entice Cruz to run. Then they backstab him during his presidential campaign. Cruz loses - Liberals install a D in his seat. We lose the Senate, House and the presidency.

How does this help us?


28 posted on 09/02/2013 9:28:36 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Has a Canadian passport.

Bullshit.

/johnny

29 posted on 09/02/2013 9:29:40 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

C. Edmund Wright: “and with all due respect STFU.”

Very civil of you.


30 posted on 09/02/2013 9:30:00 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

His mother was an American citizen. Cruz is an American citizen by birth. A natural born American citizen!!

Damn the naysayers and the RINOs they ride in on, full steam ahead!!

Rebellion is ON!! Join or perish!!

DON’T TREAD ON ME!!


31 posted on 09/02/2013 9:31:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Conservatives MUST get behind one candidate. We can win if we choose and promote one from the beginning and don’t waver. Having 6-7 semi conservatives to split us up is what killed us last time.(Last several elections)

We need to decide NOW and be vocal and run over the GOPe.
I hope Ted runs, and I hope he makes the decision early and that other conservatives get behind him and we stop the tearing down and splitting up. We can WIN if we are united!

We also need to meantime be primarying every stinking RINO we possibly can in House and Senate, beginning with John Boehner. I HOPE we can find a conservative to run against him!


32 posted on 09/02/2013 9:31:16 AM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 94)
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To: CitizenUSA

“Agreed. Born in another country to parents who are not both citizens? How could that be considered natural born? So if a Saudi prince takes an American wife and has children born in Saudi Arabia, they are “natural born” Americans? That sounds like complete nonsense to me.”

Yes, this is the exact standard that apparently is ‘good enough’. You share my precise concerns.

Why have a citizen at all? Why have a residency requirement? Because the constitution says so?

We have been told that ‘slippery slope is a fallacy. I recall, less than 10 years ago being told that sex education for kindergartners was a myth. Now, today, it is a reality. We open the doors to this - we’ll see the floodgates opened. Where Americans are governed not by one of their own but by a foreigner who’s never set foot in America. We had that once before - in King George.


33 posted on 09/02/2013 9:31:25 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well stated. And factual.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 9:31:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Bullshit.”

Check into it.


35 posted on 09/02/2013 9:32:25 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Resolved:

Ted Cruz - 2016

36 posted on 09/02/2013 9:33:03 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Run, Run, Run!
37 posted on 09/02/2013 9:33:04 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SoConPubbie
Cruz has no executive experience.

I prefer Palin for Prez., Cruz for Senate Leader.

38 posted on 09/02/2013 9:33:11 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Palin was right (again)!)
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To: boxlunch

“I hope Ted runs, and I hope he makes the decision early and that other conservatives get behind him and we stop the tearing down and splitting up.”

I hope a candidate who is eligible runs and we can all get behind him. Last time, IIRC - everyone was upset that Palin didn’t run and then rather than voting for the most conservative candidate on the ballot decided to hold out. It was a disappointment.

We needed unity and we had a candidate who proved he could beat Romney. Too little too late. Now we’re supposed to get behind a fantastic conservative senator who happens to be ineligible. We lose on that issue and lose the presidency and then what do we get for it?


40 posted on 09/02/2013 9:35:52 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“What kind of drugs are you taking anyway?”

Such civility!


41 posted on 09/02/2013 9:36:25 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Would I vote for him? Probably. Do I think he’s a natural born citizen? No, but I’m sure there will be plenty of legal arguments both for and against.

Certainly you can see why some of us take issue when constitutional provisions are distorted because it suits our purposes? We hate it when the left does that.

Is there any evidence the founders believed natural born meant born anywhere so long as one parent was an American?


42 posted on 09/02/2013 9:36:43 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Prove he has a valid Canadian passport.

/johnny

43 posted on 09/02/2013 9:37:26 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Winstons Julia
While Mr. Cruz has appealing qualities, I am concerned about his eligibility to be president.

Of all the potential 2016 contenders, he is the one that most intrigues me right now, WJ. It's still way early, and I don't know too much about Senator Cruz yet--haven't had time. But from all I've heard, he seems like a true conservative who stands for what is right and can articulate it with passion and intelligence. That's what I'm looking for.

As to his eligibility, I think the questions you raise--which are legitimate concerns--will be settled soon enough, if they have not been already. Lots of folks are saying he is eligible, and it sounds like a strong case can be made for that.

44 posted on 09/02/2013 9:37:33 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative Republican who wants to win)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Why are you even a FReeper? If you don’t like what we stand for, bail the hell out now while you still have a choice to do so on your own.

IF Cruz runs and IF he’s the strongest conservative running (which no doubt he will be, look up his record) he will have my support 100%!! And I’m not going to allow the crap that happened during the last two presidential cycles to happen again. RINO supporters can go straight to hell as far as I’m concerned along with any “conservative” who supports amnesty.

This is rebellion (a voter rebellion)!! Look up the Declaration. See if you can figure out what is says about consent of the governed and what that means. See if you can find the Founders’ remedy for despotic government.

Live free or die!!

We have not yet begun to fight!!


45 posted on 09/02/2013 9:40:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You accused me of doing drugs. Prove that I’m on any drug of any sort.


46 posted on 09/02/2013 9:40:40 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
If you aren't on drugs, you are purposefully spreading malicious lies about a conservative. And deserve the zot.

/johnny

47 posted on 09/02/2013 9:42:07 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SoConPubbie

This Ted Cruz birther stuff would continue even if an angel came down and affirmed his eligibility.


48 posted on 09/02/2013 9:42:28 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Their legal arguments don’t hold water. No court will even touch it. It’s up to the people.


49 posted on 09/02/2013 9:42:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

He is spreading malicious lies and I’ve got a hunch he won’t be long for FR.


50 posted on 09/02/2013 9:44:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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