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Conservatives to Cruz: 'Run, Ted, run'
The Hill ^ | 09/01/13 12:30 PM ET | Alexandra Jaffe

Posted on 09/02/2013 8:48:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: JRandomFreeper

I don’t know. Does Senator Cruz have a Canadian passport or not? It does seem rather unlikely that he currently has a Canadian passport. He might have had one when he moved here at four.

I’m pretty sure he just recently renounced (or is renouncing) Canadian citizenship. He was a dual citizen at birth. The laws on that vary by country, but I’m not claiming Senator Cruz isn’t an American. He’s certainly American, but is he “natural born?”


51 posted on 09/02/2013 9:46:15 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Why are you even a FReeper?”

I’m a Freeper because I am a conservative and I believe that FR stands up for principled conservativism.

I disagree with you here, JR. I think you’re making a mistake. I understand your desire for Ted as President. All too well. I think he’s a fantastic man, but I think that the principle is larger than any one man.

I remember some of what Washington himself said about the office - where some were saying that Washington should serve as long as he was alive. Then Washington himself stepped in and said - “the office is greater than any one man”. We must not and can not afford to set aside the principles of the constitution even for one man, no matter how great the man might be.

“If you don’t like what we stand for”

What happens when those principles change? Am I supposed to bail or fight for the same principles that FR has always stood behind? What would you do if you sincerely believed that FR was leaving behind what they stood for? Would you stand and fight for these principles, or would you go?

“IF Cruz runs and IF he’s the strongest conservative running (which no doubt he will be, look up his record) he will have my support 100%!!”

My disagreement has nothing to do with the man or his policies. He’s my Senator. I think he’s a fantastic senator. It has everything to do with the office of the presidency and the principles behind it. I believe Americans should be represented by someone who is born in America.

“And I’m not going to allow the crap that happened during the last two presidential cycles to happen again. RINO supporters can go straight to hell as far as I’m concerned along with any “conservative” who supports amnesty.”

Would you label someone who agreed with the principle that the office of the presidency ought to be reserved for someone born in America a RINO?

“See if you can find the Founders’ remedy for despotic government.”

I do. One of the checks is requiring the president to be born here. Not elsewhere. There are good reasons for this.


52 posted on 09/02/2013 9:46:56 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I can't say that would cause me to shed a single tear. I'm tired of liars that attack conservatives.

/johnny

53 posted on 09/02/2013 9:47:04 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: CitizenUSA
Cruz has an American passport. He does NOT have a Canadian passport.

/johnny

54 posted on 09/02/2013 9:48:03 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JCBreckenridge
But lying about him having a Candian passport is just fine. You sure are some boy scout.

/johnny

55 posted on 09/02/2013 9:49:24 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim Robinson: “His mother was an American citizen. Cruz is an American citizen by birth. A natural born American citizen!!”

To tell the truth, I haven’t thought a lot about the “natural born” provision one way or the other. So you’re saying the natural born provision only bans people who are naturalized citizens?


56 posted on 09/02/2013 9:50:56 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“He was a dual citizen at birth.”

Cruz had to reside in America in order to keep his American citizenship. This is not true of natural born citizens. He is a Canadian citizen as well as an American citizen. He would be eligible for Cuban citizenship (through his father), at the time of his birth.

Canadian citizens are eligible for a Canadian passport. Cruz is, and has always been a Canadian citizen. This is different from a natural born citizen - born in America who would not be considered a dual citizen.

I’m sorry that facts are considered to be lies. These are all factual statements. I agree that Cruz is a fantastic senator. I want him to stay in the senate and help us take the senate over.


57 posted on 09/02/2013 9:51:34 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Have no idea. But the argument is stupid and self-defeating. Millions of natural born Americans hold Canadian passports. So what? Doesn’t make them any less a citizen.

A little birdie is telling me that the birthers who insist on hijacking every Cruz thread with this nonsense are going to start falling by the wayside. If FR is not their cup of tea they should start looking for a new home.


58 posted on 09/02/2013 9:51:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What drugs am I on again?


59 posted on 09/02/2013 9:52:16 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You said that he had a Candian passport. THAT IS A FLAT-FOOTED LIE.

Nothing you say can be trusted.

/johnny

60 posted on 09/02/2013 9:52:59 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wouldn’t accusing another Freeper of being on drugs be considered a ‘malicious lie’?


61 posted on 09/02/2013 9:54:39 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: SoConPubbie

America needs Cruz Control.


62 posted on 09/02/2013 9:55:12 AM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What drugs am I on again? You said I was on drugs!


63 posted on 09/02/2013 9:55:30 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You really want to avoid the lie that you told. It's not going to happen.

Asking a question isn't an accusation.

Liar.

/johnny

64 posted on 09/02/2013 9:56:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Millions of natural born Americans hold Canadian passports. So what?”

What difference does it make???


65 posted on 09/02/2013 9:56:14 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: CitizenUSA

The CATO Institute seems to think so. Mark Levin agrees. The Heritage Foundation loves him as does the Federalist Society. These people are all constitutional scholars with experience at the Supreme Court level. I’ll take their word on it over a passel of internet sea lawyers any day of the week, even the lawyer Orly Tate who has scored exactly zero in the slam dunk case against Obama.

CATO Institute: Yes, Ted Cruz Can be President:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060736/posts

By the way, you may wish to do a little research into Cruz’s winning record as Texas Solicitor General. The man knows the constitution and he is a constitutional conservative and he is a winner.


66 posted on 09/02/2013 10:00:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: CitizenUSA

...I said with all due respect......what else do you want?


67 posted on 09/02/2013 10:00:34 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: JCBreckenridge

None.


68 posted on 09/02/2013 10:01:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

DITTOS!!!!!! Conservative Needed! Join TP and ramp up the music and make the heads spin!


69 posted on 09/02/2013 10:01:08 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: CitizenUSA

There are fifty states ... and most hold presidential primaries.

ZERO of the fifty have this “NBC birther” requirement to gain ballot access. And there is NO case law ... no state statutes in ANY of the fifty states.

It doesn’t exist in current law anywhere. So can you see why most everybody considers it to be a fringe novelty subculture political concept? How many states even require a birth certificate for ballot access?


70 posted on 09/02/2013 10:01:53 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: JCBreckenridge

If he were a liberal, he’d probably violate the split loyalty thing.....so that would be totally different. However, your Canadian passport argument is simply pathetic, absurd, and insulting.


71 posted on 09/02/2013 10:02:27 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Charles Henrickson

“As to his eligibility, I think the questions you raise—which are legitimate concerns—will be settled soon enough, if they have not been already. Lots of folks are saying he is eligible, and it sounds like a strong case can be made for that.”

Agreed.


72 posted on 09/02/2013 10:03:02 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Cruz is fully qualified.


73 posted on 09/02/2013 10:03:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: CitizenUSA

Of course, I also noticed you could not answer the question, just complain about my approach. Why don’t you grow up, ditch the whiny emotion, and deal with a question you have proven unable to deal with up to this point......


74 posted on 09/02/2013 10:03:38 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Jim Robinson

Concerned people are showing their concern.


75 posted on 09/02/2013 10:03:45 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Concern trolls about the most conservative candidate we have can bite me.


76 posted on 09/02/2013 10:05:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, I disgree sir. I think the office is larger than any one man, be it Cruz or Washington. I love the man and I understand very well why you want him as President.

I am sorry, but I cannot, in good conscience, support Cruz as president. There are many fine patriots in this nation who would qualify and would be eligible.

I think you are making a mistake. We are a year out of the midterms and two years out from 2016. Why announce this now? Why push your chips in for something that may never happen and if it does, won’t really be relevant for 2 years?

I confess, I don’t understand it, JR. Why this, why now?


77 posted on 09/02/2013 10:05:40 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m with you, Jim. It’s disheartening to look at the Cruz threads and seeing just about every last one of them becoming a birther thread.

But obviously you know this.


78 posted on 09/02/2013 10:06:10 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I am sorry, but I cannot, in good conscience, support Cruz as president.

You've proved that by lying and saying he has a Canadian passport. Why should you be believed about ANYTHING?

/johnny

79 posted on 09/02/2013 10:07:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“If he were a liberal, he’d probably violate the split loyalty thing.....so that would be totally different. However, your Canadian passport argument is simply pathetic, absurd, and insulting.”

What’s pathetic or absurd about the argument that the American president ought to be born in America?

And no, I’m not of the opinion that ‘only liberals’ can have divided loyalties. Is that really the standard now, “being a conservative” is enough? That is a very broad, and open to all kinds of abuse.


80 posted on 09/02/2013 10:08:02 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you always label those whom disagree with you as, “being on drugs?”


81 posted on 09/02/2013 10:09:03 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The poster is a proven liar with the Canadian passport lie. Nothing he says can be trusted.

/johnny

82 posted on 09/02/2013 10:09:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Ok, please take your disagreement, your good conscience, your concern and your attitude to a site that may appreciate it. We don’t.

You’ll have to scan back and read my latest posts to find the answers as to why. Not going to waste any more time on you.

Live free or die.

bye


83 posted on 09/02/2013 10:10:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

4 years ago, this was seen as a problem. Now it’s an opportunity. For team us? Really?!


84 posted on 09/02/2013 10:10:06 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Stell Dir vor: Der Praesident sagt, es ist Krieg, und keiner geht hin.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You lied. You said Cruz has a Candian passport.

/johnny

85 posted on 09/02/2013 10:10:25 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: CatherineofAragon; Jim Robinson

Catherineofaragon: “This Ted Cruz birther stuff would continue even if an angel came down and affirmed his eligibility.”

If conservatives cannot even discuss these sorts of issues amongst ourselves, what are we going to do when the leftist media gets involved? We need to present a strong case.

For the record, I like Senator Cruz quite a bit. I do agree with the FReeper who said Cruz has very little executive experience. If I had to choose between someone weak on conservative ideology but strong on executive experience, versus someone who was solidly conservative with little experience, I’d probably go with the latter. Nevertheless, it’s reasonable to acknowledge the lack of experience.

The same thing goes with Cruz’s citizenship. He makes the point that he was brought here at four years of age, and America is all he’s ever known. Illegal alien dreamers like to make the same point. It’s hardly relevant to whether one is a natural born American citizen or not.

Jim Robinson makes the point that Senator Cruz was an American at birth even though he wasn’t born in the USA. That’s a reasonable point. Does “natural born” mean something different than American by birth, i.e. not naturalized?


86 posted on 09/02/2013 10:10:35 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you.

/johnny

87 posted on 09/02/2013 10:11:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JCBreckenridge
What’s pathetic or absurd about the argument that the American president ought to be born in America?

So glad you asked. First, I never said THAT was a pathetic argument. What I said was pathetic was your reasoning on why Cruz didn't fit the bill as NBC. Two related, but not specifically the same, arguments.

Second, you aggrandizing of an accident of birth is unnerving and illogical. There are many people born in America who hate it, and plenty who were born elsewere who love it. By your absurd notion, we should choose the former over the latter if it comes down to that, which, by damn, it just might.

88 posted on 09/02/2013 10:11:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Jim Robinson
I suspect that some posters would like to convince people that Ted Cruz should stay in the Senate (for the good of the country of course!), and leave the 2016 election open for their favorite (but losing) 2012 Republican Primary candidate to have another shot in 2016.

You know, folks like say .... Senator Rick Santorum (although it apparently wasn't necessary for Senator Santorum to remain in the Senate back then - for the good of the country).

89 posted on 09/02/2013 10:11:14 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The poster is a proven liar with the Canadian passport lie. Nothing he says can be trusted.

And he's banned.

90 posted on 09/02/2013 10:11:44 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You would think if he was going to lie, he’d at least make up something that makes a damned bit of difference.


91 posted on 09/02/2013 10:12:04 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: CitizenUSA

the term “natural born” means that one is an American citizen at birth, as opposed to “naturalized”, indicating that citizenship was granted after birth.
Is a child born of an American mother not a citizen of the U.S.? If not, what are the “disqualifying” circumstances?


92 posted on 09/02/2013 10:14:01 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: COBOL2Java
Yep.

/johnny

93 posted on 09/02/2013 10:15:33 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Col Freeper

I suspect some posters don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the actual law and the constitution but they have so much invested emotionally in the crackpot birther conspiracy theory that they’re caught in a trap of their own making. Gonna have to chew their own leg off to get free.


94 posted on 09/02/2013 10:15:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I hope he listens to our pleas!


95 posted on 09/02/2013 10:16:05 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: JCBreckenridge; Jim Robinson
Over yonder and way back across the hill. Fate! Thanks Jim!
96 posted on 09/02/2013 10:16:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Col Freeper

keeping Cruz in the Senate for the good of the country is not a bad argument, but that does not excuse the absurd and bureacratically smarmy technocratic arguments being made against Cruz by some. Its a totally different, and valid, discussion.

Personally, I like Cruz more than any other possible at this early time, but I am far more focused on two other things: A: the 2014 mid terms and B: the horror of so many so called conservatives ignoring clear original intent and getting caught up in technicalities and divining very circumspect intent to prove how much more of a purist they are. Pharisees of our time....


97 posted on 09/02/2013 10:16:48 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: CitizenUSA; JCBreckenridge
This is what Wikipedia has to say about the issue of Cruz's eligibility:

Speculation on future..

Further information: United States presidential election, 2016 On March 14, 2013, Cruz gave the keynote speech at the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington DC.[76] He came in tied for 7th place in the 2013 CPAC straw poll on March 16, winning 4% of the votes cast.[77]

Cruz planned several speaking events for the summer of 2013 across Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina which are early primary states, leading to speculation that he was laying the groundwork for a run for President in 2016.[78]

As Cruz was born in Canada, various commentators from the Austin American-Statesman[79] and the Los Angeles Times,[80] right after Cruz defeated Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in July 2012, began raising questions about whether Cruz is a natural-born citizen eligible to run for the office of President of the United States.[10][81] The majority of legal and historical opinion has been that he would be eligible given that he was a U.S. citizen at birth as his mother was a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years.[10][82] On August 19, 2013, Cruz said he does not believe he has Canadian citizenship and would renounce any that he might have.[83]

98 posted on 09/02/2013 10:17:39 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson

They need to get over that stuff!


99 posted on 09/02/2013 10:18:03 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I think we should be able to discuss the issue politely. That said, do you have any evidence that Senator Cruz has or had a Canadian passport or took any action at any time that shows he intended to claim or use his rights as a Canadian citizen? If so, please present it.


100 posted on 09/02/2013 10:18:29 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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