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Obama issues new executive orders against guns (While we weren't looking....)
The Washington Times ^ | August 29, 2013 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 09/02/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by yoe

Edited on 09/02/2013 12:59:18 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

President Obama ordered two more executive actions Thursday to restrict guns, banning the re-importation of military surplus firearms to private entities and proposing a regulation that would close a loophole in background checks.

Also, the administration said it will deny requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the U.S. to private entities, with a few exceptions, such as for museums. Currently, when the U.S. provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval.


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Obama has no problem disclosing his war plans for Syria to the world while he disarms the American citizen as best he can........if ever an American Citizen needed to be armed it is now.
1 posted on 09/02/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
The Tyrant's allegiance is not to the US flag but to al Qaeda.


2 posted on 09/02/2013 12:29:04 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: yoe
FWIW he's not disarming us much.

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Nov. 2012 and Dec. 2012)

And it continues...

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MILLIONS MORE. ;-)

3 posted on 09/02/2013 12:29:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: yoe
Obama issues new executive orders against guns

President Obama ordered two more executive actions

They're Not Executive Orders...

They're Not Executive Orders...

They're Not Executive Orders...

They're Not Executive Orders...

4 posted on 09/02/2013 12:32:43 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: yoe

Obama’s coup is due for a stop at SCOTUS. Let’s hope he’s defeated there. If not, people of the states RISE UP and nullify unconstituional exectuive commandeering of our country.


5 posted on 09/02/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

Amen!!!! when can we start????


6 posted on 09/02/2013 12:36:35 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: yoe
If he can ignore the Constitution, we can ignore his "laws."
FUBO
7 posted on 09/02/2013 12:36:41 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: yoe

The only loophole is the one that Barry is using to go around the Constitution.

Is CMP considered “private”?


8 posted on 09/02/2013 12:37:10 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: yoe
Also, the administration said it will deny requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the U.S. to private entities

As bad as this order is, it should not affect the vast majority of surplus guns that are imported commercially. As I understand it, this only stops rifles that were sent by the US to its allies from coming back.

9 posted on 09/02/2013 12:41:09 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: yoe
Also, the administration said it will deny requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the U.S. to private entities

As bad as this order is, it should not affect the vast majority of surplus guns that are imported commercially. As I understand it, this only stops rifles that were sent by the US to its allies from coming back.

10 posted on 09/02/2013 12:41:09 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TigersEye

What they’re trying to do is make what we have illegal so that we’re criminals. We may be armed, but if we use the gun it’s an excuse to arrest us. Even if it’s a bogus prosecution, any prosecution would bankrupt the typical individual.


11 posted on 09/02/2013 12:42:13 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: yoe

I ain’t got no guns.


12 posted on 09/02/2013 12:47:45 PM PDT by tourte
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To: Gen.Blather

” Even if it’s a bogus prosecution,”

Hey! I’m on your side! I wont prosecute anyone!


13 posted on 09/02/2013 12:48:18 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: yoe
President Obama ordered two more executive actions Thursday to restrict guns, banning the re-importation of military surplus firearms to private entities and proposing a regulation that would close a loophole in background checks.

Neither of these "proposals" is within the administrative purvey of an EO. They are an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

14 posted on 09/02/2013 12:48:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: TigersEye

Took two of my five girls to the range today, first trip for my 9 year old.


15 posted on 09/02/2013 12:49:28 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: TigersEye

Took two of my five girls to the range today, first trip for my 9 year old.


16 posted on 09/02/2013 12:50:20 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Diogenesis

Diogenesis, don’t you find it interesting that Barry O. is (for the first time) deferring to the Constitution and Congress now as his predicament in Syria escalates...did he just abdicate the Oval Office?


17 posted on 09/02/2013 12:52:52 PM PDT by yoe ("They Come To America" order it now: http://www.theycometoamerica.com/buy-dvd/)
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To: Carry_Okie
Neither of these "proposals" is within the administrative purvey of an EO. They are an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

The importation issue is already under BATFE, since 1968. This is just an announcement of a new executive policy, using that existing law. Bush 41 did the same.

18 posted on 09/02/2013 12:54:17 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Gen.Blather

Neither of these two EOs is going to get anyone arrested. They’re just a poke in the eye at gun owners. Keep poking, commies, and see what happens.


19 posted on 09/02/2013 12:55:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jim Noble

That’s the way to do it! My father introduced me to guns and shooting at an early age and that had a lot to do with forming my views of liberty and the freedom of the individual as part of what America was intended to be at its founding.


20 posted on 09/02/2013 12:59:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kip Russell
As bad as this order is, it should not affect the vast majority of surplus guns that are imported commercially. As I understand it, this only stops rifles that were sent by the US to its allies from coming back.

The US military rifle models available to the civilian market stopped with the Garand. The M14 and M16 can never be sold to civilians, even if converted to semi-automatic action. ("Once a machine gun, always a machine gun".) It specifically exempts the US gov't -- so those 87,000 Garands reported to be in storage in South Korea can still make their way back, eventually. The number of firearms effected fy this must be really, really, really small.

IMO, it's supposed to impress gun-grabbing liberals that he's actually doing something, which he is not. At worst, it's an attempt at "death by 1,000,000,000 paper cuts." (With 999,999,998 to go!)

Based on NICS numbers, Obama has been the best President for firearms sales in history. I think they're losing this one.

21 posted on 09/02/2013 1:02:09 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: TigersEye

“Neither of these two EOs is going to get anyone arrested.”

I understand. But the left keeps adding laws and rules and regulations, the end result of which is to make owning and carrying guns riskier. Their holy grail is to make it illegal to transfer a gun so you can’t leave them to your children or sell them to somebody. That way, eventually, they’ll either collect them all or make everybody a felon.


22 posted on 09/02/2013 1:05:59 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: yoe

Government by decree — something is very wrong with our nation.


23 posted on 09/02/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Diogenesis

Maybe we can get the illegals to bring some guns with them, so they can sell the guns on the side of the highway leading to Sanctuary Cities


24 posted on 09/02/2013 1:19:50 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Sooth2222

I’ve always wanted an M14 (had a mini-14).. So, if I go back to the states, there is no way I can purchase one? :/


25 posted on 09/02/2013 1:24:31 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
I’ve always wanted an M14 (had a mini-14).. So, if I go back to the states, there is no way I can purchase one? :/

Not as such, no...but you can purchase a Springfield Armory M1A, which is essentially a semi-auto M14.

There might be a few full auto M14s floating about, but they'd probably go for something in excess of $20K at a guess.

26 posted on 09/02/2013 1:28:12 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: yoe; All
Thank you for referencing that article yoe.

Why did you indicate that Thomas Sowell wrote the article when the article indicates that Dave Boyer wrote it? Or do I have the wires crossed somewhere?

Mr. Boyer needs to understand that the Supreme Court officially clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders, which are not mentioned in the Constitution, do not have the force of law unless supported by Congress.

And since Congress is divided on gun issues (and everything else), such executive orders are pure theater imo. In other words, Obama is probably trying to make himself look like a king making edicts in the eyes of low-information voters.

27 posted on 09/02/2013 1:29:33 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Kip Russell

Semi would be fine with me.. Such great weapons for their time (and still can be.).. and semi is the ONLY way to go for accuracy.


28 posted on 09/02/2013 1:32:22 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kip Russell
There might be a few full auto M14s floating about, but they'd probably go for something in excess of $20K at a guess.

And anyone that has fired a M14 on full auto can attest that it is not a heck of a lot of fun and just about impossible to hit anything. The cost of the ammo you just wasted has to hurt as well

If there was an upside to the M16, it was that it could be controlled on full auto.

29 posted on 09/02/2013 1:33:41 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Kip Russell

BTW, Welcome to FreeRepublic ;)


30 posted on 09/02/2013 1:35:45 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
Semi would be fine with me.. Such great weapons for their time (and still can be.).. and semi is the ONLY way to go for accuracy.

$1600-ish without extras at Gunbroker.

31 posted on 09/02/2013 1:38:04 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bikkuri
BTW, Welcome to FreeRepublic ;)

Thanks!

32 posted on 09/02/2013 1:38:45 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Gen.Blather
What they’re trying to do is make what we have illegal so that we’re criminals. We may be armed, but if we use the gun it’s an excuse to arrest us. Even if it’s a bogus prosecution, any prosecution would bankrupt the typical individual.>

All the while refusing to enforce laws on the books before he came to the throne regarding illegal entry into this country and all of the associated laws that are broken by illegals working in the USA.

So if I understand this right - clown wants to infringe our GOD given rights (2nd Amendment) by making us criminals, but all at the same time turning a blind eye to the real CRIMINALS?
33 posted on 09/02/2013 1:39:03 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: doorgunner69

I hated the 3 round bursts on the AR15s, even.. kick wasn’t that bad.. but the range to target makes the biggest difference.. and with semi-auto (price not included), you keep your ammo much longer (so survive much longer).

Unless in training, and it was required, I always kept it on 1 shot.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 1:39:10 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: yoe
Sending this to my congresscritters:

Recently the president took executive action banning the re-importation of US military surplus firearms to private entities.

These firearms, primarily 1903 Springfields, M 1 Garands and M 1 Carbines were used by our Armed Forces to liberate hundreds of millions of people from tyranny.

They were then lent or given to many of the liberated countries to arm their militaries and guard their freedom.

When these countries no longer have use for these arms they are re-imported back to the US and sold to civilians through the CMP which was chartered by Congress in 1903 to promote firearm safety and marksmanship.

These arms are primarily purchased by collectors, target shooters and citizens that value their historical significance.

These arms do not end up on the street and are not the weapons of choice of street criminals or terrorists.

The obama regime has armed Mexican drug cartels and Chicago street gangs with modern weapons in a cynical plot to increase gun violence so as to create the atmosphere conducive to more draconian gun control laws.

The rationale for this executive action is to infringe on the 2nd Amendment and keep these arms out of the hands of the people that this regime fears most, the American Patriot.

DO NOT LET THIS STAND!

35 posted on 09/02/2013 1:40:05 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Cheerio

“So if I understand this right - clown wants to infringe our GOD given rights (2nd Amendment) by making us criminals, but all at the same time turning a blind eye to the real CRIMINALS? “

By Jove, you’ve got it!


36 posted on 09/02/2013 1:40:42 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Amendment10
In other words, Obama is probably trying to make himself look like a king making edicts in the eyes of low-information voters.

In that respect, it's working:

Mayors Against Illegal Guns celebrates the end of imported "Military Grade weapons"

37 posted on 09/02/2013 1:43:14 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: doorgunner69

BTW, 1 gun I would LOVE to shoot full-auto.. I believe it is called ‘mini’.. I think 2000 rounds per minute.. but I will probably never even see that in person in my lifetime :p

(BrrrrrP.... BrrrrrrrrP... Brrrrp {some target shredded into a billion pieces ;)} ) ;^D


38 posted on 09/02/2013 1:43:18 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
I hated the 3 round bursts on the AR15s, even.

I can see full auto on a rifle at very close range. House to house fighting, in other words.

Other than that...nope. Stick to semi-auto.

39 posted on 09/02/2013 1:45:52 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bikkuri
Only fired the M16-A1 and it was full auto with no burst. Never fired a burst version, those came much later.

I could see the rationale though: it did not take but a bit over a second to dump a 20 round magazine, and the 30 round mags were in the future.

After years of firing the M14, the M16 seemed to have no recoil at all.

40 posted on 09/02/2013 1:46:15 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Bikkuri
BTW, 1 gun I would LOVE to shoot full-auto.. I believe it is called ‘mini’.. I think 2000 rounds per minute.. but I will probably never even see that in person in my lifetime :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_Microgun

Including ammo, it weighs in at a hefty 84 pounds. Not remotely practical as a man-portable weapon, the movie "Predator" aside...

41 posted on 09/02/2013 1:50:21 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: doorgunner69
Found it.. G.E M124 Mini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU04m3XFvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmTIE2kDft4

Makes the 50Cal look like a toy ;^)
42 posted on 09/02/2013 1:52:19 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kip Russell; All

Yes, unfortunately low-information voters includes all elected officials who don’t know any more about the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers than the people who elected them.


43 posted on 09/02/2013 1:54:03 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: yoe

Pass all the UNCONSTITUTIONAL orders you want asshole.

NOW ENFORCE THEM!

F U B O !!


44 posted on 09/02/2013 1:56:11 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: yoe

Boehner is for them as he does nothing to challenge the monarch.


45 posted on 09/02/2013 1:59:04 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Kip Russell

Correction (typo) to my own post.. M134)


46 posted on 09/02/2013 2:00:47 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kip Russell

That would include M1 Garands and carbines, right? We could always use more of them.


47 posted on 09/02/2013 2:01:51 PM PDT by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: Bikkuri
We really loved getting our hands on a case of the ammo loaded for the miniguns back when. It was a cut above the M60 7.62mm linked ammo in cleanliness and all. Had to be to avoid jams I would suppose. Looonnng belts. Our Huey gunships still only had two M60s on each side and were well understood if jammed. Had an Armey gunship land at our hotpad one day and the pilot point to one of his miniguns and tell us it was jammed.

We looked at each other like, WTF are we supposed to do about it? Never even seen one up close before and this guy wants us to unjam it?

Maybe if he had left it with us for a few days so we could have some fun, then pick it up later and drop off a few cases of beer for our trouble..........

48 posted on 09/02/2013 2:02:52 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: mbennett203
That would include M1 Garands and carbines, right? We could always use more of them.

That's correct. I already have one of each, but I think it's a shame that Obama is preventing these pieces of history from coming home.

Then again, if it only saves one life, isn't it worth it? (tongue firmly in cheek)

49 posted on 09/02/2013 2:06:47 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: yoe

Is anybody surprised?


50 posted on 09/02/2013 2:13:08 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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