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Obama issues new executive orders against guns (While we weren't looking....)
The Washington Times ^ | August 29, 2013 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 09/02/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by yoe

Edited on 09/02/2013 12:59:18 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: doorgunner69

I still remember our Apaches getting engines clogged from the 1st war :/ (and the GPS getting screwed up:p).. I believe they fixed that problem for the second..
(Not exactly OT, but guns and engines during war ;))


51 posted on 09/02/2013 2:15:20 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: yoe

At least the elite who control the gov no people dislike them. Haha Obama the water boy. This govt fears its citizens = rotten govt.


52 posted on 09/02/2013 2:21:20 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Kip Russell

Heck, I think they should change the MP5 to 2 round burst.. I am out of the action now though, so I have no say..


53 posted on 09/02/2013 2:25:06 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: doorgunner69

Hehe.. if he had dropped it off for a few days.. it would have ‘gotten lost in inventory’ :^D (and ended up on a tripod on the defensive perimeter :^D


54 posted on 09/02/2013 2:29:37 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kip Russell
Just checked your link you sent.. That is the scaled down version (5.56) .. was not brought into service (that we know of)..

Here is the one I was talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun
55 posted on 09/02/2013 2:32:51 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: doorgunner69

If I remember correctly, the M16A-1 was an improved version of the M16 (which had major jamming issues with the water/climate).. and the later version (Stoner) which added the front grip for SF..?
When I came into service 1989, we were issued the AR (no auto)..


56 posted on 09/02/2013 2:38:21 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
Just checked your link you sent.. That is the scaled down version (5.56) .. was not brought into service (that we know of)..

That's the only one that's even remotely man-portable.

Here is the one I was talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun

That would be fun to play with, wouldn't it? A bit pricey in today's ammo market, though. Let's see, if you were able to get a bunch of 7.62x51 at really good price, you could burn through a 5,000 round belt in just under a minute, using up $2500 worth of ammo.

57 posted on 09/02/2013 2:39:37 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: doorgunner69

BTW.. the only kick that actually hurt.. was a 30.06 .. (and the 12 gauge slugs >.<).. both left my shoulder purple for a week :p


58 posted on 09/02/2013 2:45:44 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kip Russell

Lol.. nice to dream ;^)

Like I said, one full auto I would love to shoot ;)

At least me firing the 50Cal (full auto, but instructed to try to keep 3 round bursts.. and having 3 interchangeable barrels next to us WITH an ‘oven mitt’).. Was an adrenaline rush experience, but, thank God I never had to mount one in battle.. I was stuck with AR15.. which, me being E13 (artillery advisor) on the battlefield, was no problem.


59 posted on 09/02/2013 2:51:18 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
I only spent 2 months in the Army (medical discharge), so the heaviest weapon I've ever fired is a Browning BAR at a gun range. I've never fired anything belt-fed.

I'd love to try out a .50 M2HB sometime, but it's so pricey!

60 posted on 09/02/2013 2:57:41 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

How the heck did you get your hands on a BAR?


61 posted on 09/02/2013 3:13:46 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
How the heck did you get your hands on a BAR?

It was back in the '90s...a local gun shop had number of full auto weapons that you could rent, to shoot on their range. There are a growing number of businesses in Las Vegas that do that today.

Anyway, they had (among other things) an Uzi, an MP5, and a BAR available. Not a hard decision to make!

62 posted on 09/02/2013 3:18:09 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TigersEye
Nice post (always!). Also:

Gun-Toting Women are on the Rise -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3061705/posts

Armed and Angry about Regulation: Women Gun Owners -- http://truth-out.org/news/item/15314-armed-and-angry-about-regulation-women-gun-owners

63 posted on 09/02/2013 3:18:12 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: Kip Russell

Dang, sounds nice :) but I would have stayed away fro the Uzi.. BAR, if I wanted power (and a really sore shoulder), and I love the MP5... but it’s no good over about 15-75 feet (depending on the barrel length.. and your site.. and single/burst)..

(BTW, think we accidentally hijacked the thread :/ .. sorry :D)


64 posted on 09/02/2013 3:23:26 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
Dang, sounds nice :) but I would have stayed away fro the Uzi.. BAR, if I wanted power (and a really sore shoulder), and I love the MP5...

I did try the Uzi, but it was a jam-o-matic (bad conversion? worn out?), so I switched to the MP5. Reliable as all get-out, but after a couple of mags I switched to the BAR. And yes, it did kick like a mule!

but it’s no good over about 15-75 feet (depending on the barrel length.. and your site.. and single/burst)..

I'm not so sure about it being that short ranged...it fires from a closed bolt, so it should be accurate to at least 50 yards.

(BTW, think we accidentally hijacked the thread :/ .. sorry :D)

Thread spread happens.

65 posted on 09/02/2013 3:27:59 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Sooth2222
It specifically exempts the US gov't -- so those 87,000 Garands reported to be in storage in South Korea can still make their way back, eventually. The number of firearms effected fy this must be really, really, really small.

If memory serves, that batch of M1 Garands was not being returned to the DOD warehouses; it was being sold to the highest commercial bidder. Rumor has it that Century Arms is the importer, but so far the entire thing has been fairly quiet with most news coming from a handful of gun-forum guys who can read the Korean websites and translate.

I'm not sure how many more Garands are out there, but this new policy does impact South Korea beyond the lot that has already been sold. They have something like 700,000 (!!) M1 Carbines mothballed. We'll be lucky to get any as spare parts.

66 posted on 09/02/2013 3:56:08 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Bikkuri; doorgunner69
Bikkuri wrote, in comment #56:
"When I came into service 1989, we were issued the AR (no auto).."

Bikkuri wrote, in comment #59:
"me being E13 (artillery advisor) on the battlefield, was no problem."

I've never heard of semi-auto ARs being issued in the Army, although some full-auto rifles had old receivers marked AR-15 in 1989. Never heard of an enlisted pay grade above E-9, either.


67 posted on 09/02/2013 4:01:14 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), Army National Guard, '89-'96)
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To: Kip Russell
"I can see full auto on a rifle at very close range. House to house fighting, in other words.

Other than that...nope. Stick to semi-auto.
"

Correct. Fully automatic rifles would be effective in only very thick cover and other rare, close circumstances in real warfare. In most close range civilian defense situations, a shotgun would probably be better, in my opinion.

Semi-auto is more effective for most longer range defense situations (which long range civilian situations are also extremely rare). Besides, firing full auto, for most, looks like more fun in the movies than it is in reality (very boring, in my opinion--almost as boring as demo classes and ranges in the Army).


68 posted on 09/02/2013 4:26:46 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), Army National Guard, '89-'96)
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To: yoe; All

Meanwhile......

New Black Panther leader’s gun charges dropped

Gun charges against a new Black Panther Party leader have been dropped, court officials said.
After pleading guilty in Gwinnett County last year to writing a bad check for $3,000, a felony, Hashim Nzinga was arrested for selling a gun at a DeKalb County pawn shop, authorities said.
It is illegal in Georgia for a convicted felon to have a gun, and Nzinga, 49, was charged with possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and arrested on March 26.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/new-black-panther-leaders-gun-charges-dropped/nZfXJ/


69 posted on 09/02/2013 5:51:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: familyop

Sorry.. meant MOS Echo13 (E13)... I was E-5 :p

Uhm.. we had no full auto when I came in (Only the 3 shot burst, or single shot option).. they were all Colt AR-15s.. M-16s were not a choice anymore.


70 posted on 09/02/2013 9:50:19 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: doorgunner69

Ping... (forgot to add you from the last reply.. (apologies..)


71 posted on 09/02/2013 9:51:38 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: oh8eleven

Compliance with Tyranny is Treason.


72 posted on 09/02/2013 10:21:26 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Liberal Democrats = Communists. RINO Republicans = Communist Sympathizers.)
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To: Bikkuri
We did familiarization fire with the BAR in Dec 1965 at Camp Pendleton during ITR. Great fun, but many of the magazines had worn out springs and would not feed worth a darn. Heavy sucker, got to have enormous respect for the guys that humped them and 20 round magazines full of .30-06.

At that ancient time, there were several WWII era weapons we got to play with, like the flame thrower and 3.5" Bazooka. Great stuff for teenagers too young to vote or drink...............

73 posted on 09/02/2013 10:52:06 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: yoe

Time to take the gloves off entirely on gun rights. Frankly, out in the real world non-liberals sometimes find themselves caving to public pressure. I currently work in academia so I understand the pressure some people may feel to at least say publicly that they support “common sense” gun legislation and background checks. With Obama being this out of control about it, we now have the means by which we can explain that we cannot give even an inch on run rights, because when it comes to gun rights, you give a give a gov’t an inch and they will take miles from you by force. If nothing else, Obama has at least given us real proof we can use the next time he get hounded at work, among friends and relatives or anywhere else as to why we don’t support background checks and “common sense” legislation.


74 posted on 09/03/2013 8:37:35 AM PDT by nucresearch
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To: Gen.Blather

I know what their strategy is. These two EOs are about the weakest efforts they have made in 40 years. IMPOTUS is losing.


75 posted on 09/03/2013 10:22:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: cyn

Thanks for the links, cyn. Bookmarked! I am happy to see that trend. More 2nd A. supporters, less victims and more backup on the street when the bad guys start feeling froggy.


76 posted on 09/03/2013 10:55:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Compliance with Tyranny is Treason.

I like the other one, too: "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God!"

Has a nice ring to it.

77 posted on 09/03/2013 12:06:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TigersEye

We’ve had some good times shooting with enthusiastic eager-to-learn new shooters.

A great website: http://www.corneredcat.com — “If you’ve got to fight, fight like a cornered cat.”

// “Some folks say the most dangerous place in the world is between a Mama Bear and her cubs. It may be so. I’ve never met a Mama Bear, myself.

The most dangerous place I ever stood was between a cornered cat and an open door.” //


78 posted on 09/03/2013 10:36:54 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: TigersEye

I found out about Kathy Jackson and http://www.corneredcat.com here on FR, as I do so many things. For all I know, I may have gotten it from you! :->


79 posted on 09/04/2013 8:34:42 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: Amendment10
Pure Theater

In principle, you are correct. In practice, you are 180 degrees out. What happens is that an Executive Order is is immediately seized upon by the bureaucracy to create "Plans," "Programs," "Processes" ... which become codified in operating regulations. In a week, the concerned agency will be carrying them out. BATF, HSA, INS, etc.

Then, in order to halt the above, suit must be brought. It will be fought by the DOJ on behalf of the "defendants," the US Government.

Yes, Executive Orders do not have the force of law. It's much worse than that. They have inexorable bureaucratic power behind them, forcing those whose rights have been deprived into long, expensive litigation with absolutely no certain outcome.

80 posted on 09/04/2013 8:47:52 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Don't miss the Blockbuster of the Summer! "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: cyn
The most dangerous place I ever stood was between a cornered cat and an open door.

Try giving a cat a pill! LOLOL

81 posted on 09/04/2013 9:39:09 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kenny Bunk; All
In practice, you are 180 degrees out.

Executive orders are a smoke-and-mirrors way for corrupt "leaders" like Obama to create new, PC powers for themselves.

82 posted on 09/04/2013 10:19:38 AM PDT by Amendment10
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