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Editorial: Ted Cruz and the ‘birther’ issue
Dallas News ^ | Aug 19, 2013 | Edtitorial

Posted on 09/02/2013 4:25:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Is he a natural-born citizen or isn’t he? The question has been a nagging part of Barack Obama’s life ever since his first presidential campaign. No amount of birth certificates and sworn statements from state officials in Hawaii, his birthplace, seemed capable of putting the issue to rest. The “birther” movement continues pressing the question even today, five years after Obama’s election to the presidency.

The question nags anew, but this time Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz is the focus because he was born in Canada to an American mother and Cuban father. By law, his mother’s U.S. citizenship automatically confers natural citizenship to Cruz, just as — for those who continue to doubt the location of Obama’s birth — the citizenship of Obama’s American mother conferred it to him.

When it became a hot-button issue in 2008, Democrats countered that Obama’s GOP opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, was born to American parents at a U.S. military installation in the Panama Canal Zone. The implication being that if Republicans wanted to play the birther game, Democrats could, too.

This is such a nonissue, regardless of whether the candidate is Republican or Democrat. Nevertheless, narrow-minded individuals, including some prominent personalities such as billionaire former presidential contender Donald Trump, are doggedly trying to concoct controversy and introduce doubt where there should be none.

These men have been natural U.S. citizens from birth and have every right to seek the nation’s highest office. Article II of the Constitution sets out three eligibility requirements to be president: that the person be at least 35 years old, a resident within the United States for 14 years and a “natural-born citizen.”

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Run, Ted, Run!!
1 posted on 09/02/2013 4:25:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

But.. but.. but.. I read on a blog that.. wait, let me grab it and paste it.


2 posted on 09/02/2013 4:31:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson

Unfortunately nothings prohibits a Muslim Socialist Marxist Scumbag from being a US president.


3 posted on 09/02/2013 4:31:05 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Jim Robinson
at this point in the controversy the issue raised should not be over eligibility but over the impeachable offense of forging the documents as provem beyond doubt by the Maricopa County sherrifs office forensic investigators

How this ever slipped through the cracks is beyond belief

4 posted on 09/02/2013 4:32:35 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: All
From Wikipedia:

Texas Solicitor General

Appointed to the office of Solicitor General of Texas by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

Cruz served in that position from 2003 to 2008.

Cruz has authored more than 80 United States Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court.[3][21][19] Cruz's record of having argued before the Supreme Court nine times is more than any practicing lawyer in Texas or any current member of Congress.[43] Cruz has commented on his nine cases in front of the U.S. Supreme Court: "We ended up year after year arguing some of the biggest cases in the country. There was a degree of serendipity in that, but there was also a concerted effort to seek out and lead conservative fights." In the

landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz drafted the amicus brief signed by attorneys general of 31 states, which said that the D.C. handgun ban should be struck down as infringing upon the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.Cruz also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the constitutionality of Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds before the Fifth Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court, winning 5-4 in Van Orden v. Perry.

Cruz authored a U.S. Supreme Court brief for all 50 states successfully defending the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, winning 9-0 in Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow. Cruz served as lead counsel for the state and successfully defended the multiple litigation challenges to the 2003 Texas congressional redistricting plan in state and federal district courts and before the U.S. Supreme Court, winning 5-4 in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry. Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.

Cruz has been named by American Lawyer magazine as one of the 50 Best Litigators under 45 in America, by The National Law Journal as one of the 50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America, and by Texas Lawyer as one of the 25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century.

5 posted on 09/02/2013 4:33:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hope he does. If there is anything left after barry and his little beotches lindsay and juanita start WWIII.


6 posted on 09/02/2013 4:33:59 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: humblegunner
Eyes glazing over.....

/johnny

7 posted on 09/02/2013 4:34:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KTM rider

It takes a two-thirds vote in the Senate to find a president guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and thus remove him from office. Which 22 Democrat Senators do you see voting Obama guilty? And that’s not even counting the RINOs.
Ten Republicans voted Bubba Clinton not guilty of perjury and five voted him not guilty of Obstruction of Justice.


8 posted on 09/02/2013 4:39:40 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Jim Robinson

agreed


9 posted on 09/02/2013 4:40:48 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Jim Robinson
By law, his mother’s U.S. citizenship automatically confers natural citizenship to Cruz, just as — for those who continue to doubt the location of Obama’s birth — the citizenship of Obama’s American mother conferred it to him.

Wrong! Obama's mother was too young and hadn't lived in Hawaii the required number of years past the age of 14.

10 posted on 09/02/2013 4:41:08 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe

He is a natural born citizen. I can’t think of any reason for him not to run. He has an extremely accomplished background, and the only reason I could see for him not running is his own personal decision.


11 posted on 09/02/2013 4:41:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson
"This is such a nonissue, regardless of whether the candidate is Republican or Democrat. Nevertheless, narrow-minded individuals, including some prominent personalities such as billionaire former presidential contender Donald Trump, are doggedly trying to concoct controversy and introduce doubt where there should be none. "

A non-issue? Not to those of us who who regard the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land!

As with other issues, like service in the Vietnam War, the Left pushes the bar sky-high for Republican candidates and ignores it when it comes to traitors like Kerry.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

12 posted on 09/02/2013 4:41:43 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

yeah huh my snark went into hyperdrive


13 posted on 09/02/2013 4:41:45 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim it’s a shame we’ll have to fight this battle here on FR. Cruz is eligible to be pres. End of story.

But there are lots of FReepers who don’t feel that way. The NBC wars will rage. A shame.

I intend to stay away. And I hope you and yours will police the Cruz threads and be on the lookout for FReepers trying to turn these threads into a NBC fight. Hijacked threads really do FR a disservice.


14 posted on 09/02/2013 4:43:29 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: humblegunner
Cruz sure sings a good tune...

It's a familiar one I can get behind.


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15 posted on 09/02/2013 4:47:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Cool. Boot his ass out!


16 posted on 09/02/2013 4:50:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
    Caution :
             
    Ahead !
17 posted on 09/02/2013 4:51:16 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Actually there’s one other snag too. When officially requested to verify that Stanley Ann Dunham was Obama’s mother, the HI state registrar refused to verify that. But then, he also refused to verify that Obama was born male, that his birthdate was Aug 4, 1961, that he was born on the island of Oahu, or that Barack Hussein Obama was his father - all of which he was required to verify if those claims were made on a legally-valid BC...

We literally have NO IDEA who this guy is or where he came from. As effectively confirmed by the HI state registrar in the “certified statements” that this idiot author referred to in this article.


18 posted on 09/02/2013 4:51:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: ConorMacNessa

It’s a non-issue if he truly is a natural born citizen per law and the constitution. These folks and many others, like CATO for example, think he is.


19 posted on 09/02/2013 4:53:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
the Paleo-birthers are nothing but libs in disguise ... taking their political battles to the federal court system because they know they cannot win in the state legislatures.
20 posted on 09/02/2013 4:54:52 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: upchuck
When I think of people who are born in foreign lands to U. S. Citizens, I think of that kid being returned to the U. S. in short order, to live here as a citizen.

I pretty much believe that's what Cruz did in time. I don't know all the particulars yet, but there's nothing in this world that drives me more crazy than watching a FReeper claim one set of rules for over five years, turn right around and argue the opposite line of reasoning when it's his own fair haired boy running.

His mother was single at the time. She was in a foreign nation. Cruz currently holds duel citizenship from what I understand. I'm sorry, but that does raise questions for me.

What amazes me, is that in a nation of 317 million people, we only seem to be able to find the fringe person that can lead. What the hell is that all about? We don't have any citizens that were born on U. S. soil that have a sound enough Conservative mind that they can run, win, and lead this nation forward?

If we don't, then what the hell are we wasting our time on? And here you are already setting up the scenario so nobody can discuss the issue. Wow, how very pro First Amendment of you.

I like Cruz a lot, but I want him vetted just the same way we would any other person. I am not convinced he is eligible yet, and I'm not going to sit here and have you tell me whether I can discuss the issue here or not.

21 posted on 09/02/2013 4:57:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Jim Robinson

Whatever the in’s and out’s of the situation (I’ve been pretty much keeping out of the Cruz debates) I see clear trouble brewing. People are being one-dimensionally labeled here. He’s a birther, or she’s not a birther, etc. We are not one dimensional creatures any more than God who created us in His image is a one dimensional God... folks, give the Creator some respect wouldja??? Talk if you must about birthist philosophy (now there’s a new term) but this label stuff... well you know even a blind pig gets an acorn now and then, and the liberals are right when they complain about one dimensional personal labeling. (They err to the other end of the continuum, a dirty grey equality, but that’s another story. It does not apply here.)


22 posted on 09/02/2013 5:02:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Indeed. What I find objectionable about the article is the unwarranted assumption of equivalency of Obama's qualification as a natural born citizen to Sen. Cruz's. Sen. Cruz is not withholding and fabricating evidence of his origin. I think it is mendacious of the Dallas Star to equate the two.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

23 posted on 09/02/2013 5:02:37 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age."

/johnny

24 posted on 09/02/2013 5:06:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim Robinson
No amount of birth certificates

I believe the amount of birth certificates has been *zero*, unless you count the ones allegedly found in Kenya.

There have been multiple "Certificates of Live Birth", meaning that at the very least, all but one were forgeries, but we've just been told that there is one and that that should be good enough for anyone. And the fact that there was one doesn't actually state what it said.

Curiously, did anyone actually swear an affidavit that there was or about what it said.

25 posted on 09/02/2013 5:06:25 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Cruz currently holds duel citizenship from what I understand.

No, he doesn't.

/johnny

26 posted on 09/02/2013 5:07:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Do we have a “plan B” to execute if “plan A” (candidacy) does not pan out?

For what it’s worth I say if there is genuine, arguable doubt... be bold. The Democrats were. We should be too. Push Cruz until either better is encountered (I still love Sarah Palin but some disagree) or another insuperable wall is reached. It would be real amusing to watch the Democrats, while Barack Obama is still seated, raise arguments that will (er, pardon the term) blacken Barack. But you know, I don’t think they’d dare. If in doubt as Martin Luther said, sin boldly... the Lord will correct as needed....


27 posted on 09/02/2013 5:07:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: KTM rider

One of the 2012 R Presidential candidates was overheard by Larry Sellin saying that nobody would touch the eligibility issue because they all knew it went WAY DEEPER than anybody was willing to delve. IOW, they all knew that 2008 was a coup.

This article has so many inaccuracies it isn’t even funny. It’s the same low standard of accuracy that we’ve come to expect from the threatened media. The first people to bring up eligibility were those contesting McCain’s eligibility. And the first legal challenge to OBAMA’s eligibility came from Phil Berg, a Hillary supporter, before the 2008 DNC Convention. Specifically one day after Stephanie Tubbs died of an aneurysm (a preferred method of medical assassination) shortly after she had agreed to present a petition at the DNC Convention allowing a 2nd vote where delegates would be released from voting for the candidate they were pledged to, and Obama’s ineligibility could be exposed and Hillary lawfully chosen as the D candidate. Tubbs had to agree to present the petition because Bill Gwatney, who had agreed to present the petition, was shot dead very shortly (like one day, IIRC) after he agreed to do so...

So four critical errors in this author’s discussion of Obama’s eligibility situation:

1. McCain’s eligibility was challenged first.
2. Obama’s eligibility was first challenged by a democrat in the primary.
3. The certified statements from Hawaiian officials include a letter of verification in which the HI state registrar refused to certify any birth facts listed on the actual request form and a Hawaii Democratic Party Official Certification of Nomination wherein Brian Schatz failed to certify that Obama was the candidate of the Hawaii Democratic Party (since one whole physical line of text was taken out in a desperate attempt to get rid of the standard “Constitutionally-eligible” language and the required certification of being the HDP’s candidate was inadvertently removed). So we have no idea who his mother was.

4. Even if Stanley Ann Dunham was his mother, she was too young to pass US citizenship on to her child.


28 posted on 09/02/2013 5:10:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What is this supposed to mean? It whizzed right by me.


29 posted on 09/02/2013 5:10:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Dallas Morning Bowel Movement sure has it out for Senator Cruz.


30 posted on 09/02/2013 5:11:05 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Cruz is a great constitutional conservative. Has argued and won many case before the supreme court defending life, marriage, religious freedom, guns, the tenth amendment, etc. all issues near and dear to our hearts. He fights for constitutionally limited government, states rights, local control over education, border security, to abolish ObamaCare and a whole host of ABC agencies, to balance the budget and CUT government. He's a Reaganite and a natural born American citizen in every sense of the word. A patriot. Probably the very best conservative currently serving in office.

Click on the icons per issue on this page to see his position, record and quotes on each one:

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Texas/Ted_Cruz/Views/

31 posted on 09/02/2013 5:11:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen to that.


32 posted on 09/02/2013 5:11:24 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: mylife

Yeah, but they admitted he’s eligible here.


33 posted on 09/02/2013 5:12:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good.
The paper is still fish wrap.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 5:15:18 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

That’s true, but they are leftists.

And unfortunately, there are lots of folks who have too much invested emotionally in Obama’s ineligibility, that they’re afraid Cruz will destroy their case. But I don’t know. As they’re pointing out on this very thread, Ann Dunham was not old enough at Obama’s birth to satisfy the law.


35 posted on 09/02/2013 5:16:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

So they gave the world sound and fury, signifying nothing.

“Lord close the mouths of the young lions.”


36 posted on 09/02/2013 5:16:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I like Ted.


37 posted on 09/02/2013 5:18:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If the Left is trashing him, he's probably okay. I, too, like Sarah Palin - what a withering smear campaign she faced! I also like Allen West - it would be interesting to see what a real black man - a loyal American and combat veteran - could accomplish as POTUS.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

38 posted on 09/02/2013 5:18:03 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: butterdezillion
So we have no idea who his mother was.

In one sense, you're wrong on that point. I am 100% certain that Obama is a son of a . . .

39 posted on 09/02/2013 5:19:24 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You really should take down your Christmas lights. Christmas has come and gone and now summer’s nearly over.


40 posted on 09/02/2013 5:20:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

If Obama is Legitimate

Ted Cruz is legitimate.

IMO neither of them is, but what’s good for the goose——


41 posted on 09/02/2013 5:20:17 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Who or what would challenge Ted if he ran ?

(Seems like mostly scab-picker Republicans.)


42 posted on 09/02/2013 5:20:48 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: JRandomFreeper
F Y I
F Y I

When you come here and tell me something that something is not true, when you don't know yet, it bothers me.

As of the 25th of August, Cruz wasn't even sure. The Dallas paper said he did have duel citizenship. Perhaps it will turn out that he doesn't, but if Cruz doesn't even know, you don't know.

What's your source? Here we are at least two years before the real campaigning begins, and we already have folks trying to shut down the conversation regarding candidates. Haven't we seen enough of how divisive that gets? How many people must we lose, before we pull our heads out and allow reasoned debate on matters like this? Why in the world would be begin at this point to shut down discussion of this?


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43 posted on 09/02/2013 5:21:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Sarah’s ordeals might... for all we know... be how the Lord has been preparing her for a REAL thrust at the Presidency. In the Lord’s plan, trials are meant for good, not for harm; though Satan is involved, God has Satan on a chain. They are well-controlled, well-orchestrated occasions to stop and consider... how can the Lord be better glorified here? If Sarah did that, then she is better prepared now.


44 posted on 09/02/2013 5:21:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I don't know him personally, so I don't know if I like him or not. But I hired him to be my senator because of his resume.

Like has nothing to do with it, for me.

/johnny

45 posted on 09/02/2013 5:21:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KTM rider

His name is not Barrack Hussein Obama. And that’s another thing he wants to hide.

As for the Dallas Morning birdcage liner, I don’t think I’ll trust their opinion on anything constitutional.


46 posted on 09/02/2013 5:21:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Jim Robinson

That whizzed right by me. What is this supposed to mean?


47 posted on 09/02/2013 5:22:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Venturer

There are finer points of the law that say otherwise. The devil is in the details.


48 posted on 09/02/2013 5:22:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Ted Cruz doesn't have dual citizenship.

/johnny

49 posted on 09/02/2013 5:23:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nothing. Just like tossing broken records like frizbees. Whizzzz. There gores another.


50 posted on 09/02/2013 5:24:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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