Skip to comments.Russia says ballistic missiles fired in Mediterranean fell into sea: RIA
Posted on 09/03/2013 2:10:05 AM PDT by markomalley
Russian radar detected two ballistic "objects" that were fired towards the eastern Mediterranean from the central part of the sea on Tuesday, state-run news agency RIA quoted the Defence Ministry as saying.
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Hey what about that reported shoot down of American F-22 in Syria on Saturday ? I don’t see any FR threads on that.
Supposedly some Tomahawks were shot down as well ?
I see those reports only in blogs/forums - the administration is apparently keeping the lid on the press completely shut on that story, if the story is true.
..already been denied in Israel, didn’t happen.
Russias early warning radars have detected the launch of two ballistic rockets in the eastern Mediterranean, Russias Defense Ministry stated. The launch reportedly took place at 06:16 GMT Tuesday.
The trajectory of the missiles is reported to have been from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea towards the eastern landmass.
Russias President Putin has already been informed about the incident by Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, RIA Novosti news agency reported.
Not aware =/= denied
If they were launched and there is no news of them exploding on land, were they intercepted by ADA?
Reuters India (@ReutersIndia)
September 3, 2013
Russian embassy in Syria says no sign of missile attack or explosions in Damascus after ballistic launches detected - Itar-Tass
Meanwhile, Israel which is believed to have the best intelligence capacity in the region, can’t confirm Russia’s report. Reuters again:
I have nothing reliable or firsthand.
Ballistic missiles fired in the Meditarrenean fell into the sea, according to news agency RIA. May have been a test launch. #Syria
Sounds as if it may indeed have been shot down.
If anything at all, it would be some rebels on a boat trying to start WWIII.
#UPDATE US ship may have fired rockets for weather reconnaissance: Russian source
Now that is really strange, rockets for weather Recon? Really.......Really?
ISRAEL SAYS CARRIED OUT JOINT MISSILE TEST WITH U.S. IN THE MEDITERRANEAN
by Reuters_LindaNoakes 5:23 AM
BREAKING: Israel claims its responsibility for launch of test rocket in the Mediterranean - @ria_novosti http://on.rt.com/q000to
MORE: #Israel claims 2 missiles fired from Mediterranean were for target practice - Defence Ministry http://on.rt.com/q000to
"...Russias Defense Ministry said Tuesday citing its ballistic missile early warning system."
FYI, Russians are often misconstrued in translation, the system tracks all objects and airfoil objects can be mislabeled.
Here is the reason you are probably correct: The launch was detected at 10:16 Moscow time (06:16 GMT) by a radar in the southern Russian city of Armavir,...
That's far enough to require some altitude to be detected,...unless the detection was remote by a Russian T-50 (or earlier) AWACS.
Israel says carries out joint missile test with U.S. in the Med.
JERUSALEM, Sept 3 (Reuters) - Israel said it carried out a test of a missile, used as a target in a U.S.-funded anti-missile system, in the Mediterranean on Tuesday. The Israeli Defence Ministry said the test was conducted at 9:15 a.m. (0615 GMT), about the same time that Russia’s state-run RIA news agency reported that Russian radar had detected the launch of two ballistic “objects” in the Mediterranean.
by Nigel Stevenson (Reuters) 5:36 AM
Test missiles? At a time it could ignite WWIII? Nobody’s that insane.
And then they claimed it was a joint op.....
They never fib..... ha.
Apparently the IDF is ‘kinda doing their own thing’ for this dust-up. Obama likely hopes Israel will burn...
...there was a joint exercise of some sort........testing...*smiles*
False radar signal to see what a reaction may be?
“Test missiles? At a time it could ignite WWIII? Nobodys that insane.”
Test launches are generally well announced in advance. There are maritime warnings to ensure ships aren’t in the target area.
It’s unlikely anyone would attack Syria with ballistic missiles. Generally, ballistic missiles have high yield warheads. That’s like shooting a fly with a Remington 12ga. Cruise missiles have small warheads and destroy the target by exploding directly over it. Nobody’s likely to have the targeting information necessary as any target worth hitting will be well hidden by now.
This is all escalating quickly
Testing Syrian and Russian radars.
I think it is a preplanned US-Israel missile defense test, that they were not going to forego, *especially* because of the situation in Syria. The largest radar in Israel is run by the U.S. DoD.
World Wars have started on lesser events.
Wait, weren’t there planned military exercises in the area any way? Remember, Obama pulled out and said we would not participate in the exercises with Syria....
I don’t remember the dates those were supposed to happen.
Nonetheless, testing missiles in that tinderbox right now does appear very provocative.
Ballistic and cruise missiles have the same general range in payload. Conventional warheads are between 1000 and 2000 lbs.
It would appear that the “test” failed.
can you point to the blogs/forums on that?
I’m well past trusting the U.S. media on any reporting in this mess(read: I don’t wait for NYT-AP-CNN to verify intel). However, until the internet crashes, there are still pieces that can be put together to get the bottom of this. And I suggest we start doing just that.
Hint: many foreign media, and outlets providing ‘less-sanitized’ and more credible information. Got that, NSA?
“Ballistic and cruise missiles have the same general range in payload.”
I suppose things have improved, but the circular error probability with ballistic missiles has not been generally good. Also, you need to know where the targets are and there has been too much coverage of the subject to believe the Syrians haven’t dispersed and/or spoofed the targets. Also, ballistic missiles tend to set off multiple alarms in neighboring countries and could lead to an accidental engagement. If we provide prior knowledge of a launch to the Russians we’d might as well stay home because the targets won’t be there. (This is all about image and politics. If it were about smacking the hell out of Assad, the only way to do that is with no prior warning. The opportunity of surprise has not only been thrown away, it was shredded first.)
“If anything at all, it would be some rebels on a boat trying to start WWIII.”
When is the last time anyone saw McCain? :)
I am trying to remember so maybe you can confirm but didn’t the IMF shut down the radar last time they hit Syrian sites? I am wondering if they were making sure they still have that capability.
That's exactly right. Those launches were done for a clear reason, and the Russians obliged by detecting and announcing them.
The SCUD CEP is not very good. They’re still pretty much glorified V-2s. You’re correct that it’s likely we would not engage targets in this fashion due to the heads up it provides. If it were to be carried out like that, most likely it would be a secondary strike against fixed, hardened targets. Obviously, Israel has some real concerns about inbound ballistic missiles, wants to be prepared, and wants others to know they are.
I will see if I can find anything.
10:58 GMT: Israel claimed a joint missile launch with the US in the Mediterranean Sea. The Israeli Defense Ministry spokesmen told journalists that they tested an anchor target missile used to check how well the anti-missile system known as “Arrow-2” functions. The launch took place at 06:15 GMT, the ministry spokesmen added.
Never fear, Cap'n Kerry will run them down with his swift boat...(Oh yeah, /s)
In all seriousness, sure seems stupid to be doing secret tests that could accidentally start a regional war! Yet another reason to be against this whole thing.....the people running the show! Obama, Hagel and their assembled yes men? Heaven help us!
N.Y. Times: IDF Unit 8200 Cyberattack Disabled Syrian Anti-Aircraft Defense
by Richard Silverstein on September 27, 2010 · 11 comments
in Blogs-Tech-Science, Mideast Peace
The N.Y. Times published a report about the Stuxnet virus which takes an interesting and slightly contrarian view of the power and lethality of the virus. But the most interesting part of the article was a list of other previous cyberattacks that were initiated by governments. Among them, John Markoff notes that Israels attack on the alleged Syrian nuclear reactor involved disabling that nations radar/anti-aircraft defenses. According to the reporter, the IDFs Unit 8200 devised an ingenious method of shutting the radar off
Bibi is letting the world know that he is ready, even if Obama and his gang of merry men aren’t...
It’s The Voronezh Early Warning Radar in Azerbaijan.
It’s fairly new, being built to replace the EWR’s lost when Ukraine went independent.
UPDATE: Syrian radar doesn’t detect any missiles landing on their territory - security source to TV http://on.rt.com/q000to
BREAKING: Russias early radars detect launch of two ballistic rockets in Mediterranean Defense Ministry http://on.rt.com/q000to
REUTERS PICTURE: Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighters inspect the remains of a jet fighter, which FSA said belongs to forces loyal to Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad, after it crashed in Deir al- Zor September 2, 2013. It is unclear as to what caused the crash, with some members of the FSA claiming they shot it down. REUTERS/Mohamad Alfarati
by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 10:00 AM yesterday
By Conn Hallinan, June 27, 2012.
What was that Turkish F-4 Phantom II up to when the Syrians shot it down?
Ankara said the plane strayed into Syrian airspace, but quickly left and was over international waters when it was attacked, a simple case of carelessness on the part of the Turkish pilot that Syrian paranoia turned deadly.
But the Phantomeyewitnesses told Turkish television that there were two aircraft, but there is no official confirmation of that observationwas hardly on a Sunday outing. According to the Financial Times, Turkeys Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, told the newspaper the jet was on a test and training mission focused on Turkeys radar defense, rather than Syria.
Translation: the F-4 was lighting up a radar net. It is a commonif dangerous and illegaltactic that allows one to probe an opponents radar system. Most combat radar is kept in a passive mode to prevent a potential enemy from mapping out weaknesses or blind spots that can be useful in the advent of an attack. The probes also give you valuable information on how to neutralize anti-aircraft guns and ground to air missiles.
Wednesday, February 29, 2012
JERUSALEM Russia has upgraded a surveillance station it maintains in Syrian territory in order to provide Iran early warning of an Israeli attack, according to the Israeli security-related blog Debkafile.
The surveillance station, located south of Damascus, had been able to monitor air traffic in Israel as far south as Tel Aviv, as well as northern Jordan and western Iraq.