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Russia says ballistic missiles fired in Mediterranean fell into sea: RIA
Russia RIA on Daily Star ^ | 9/3/2013

Posted on 09/03/2013 2:10:05 AM PDT by markomalley

Russian radar detected two ballistic "objects" that were fired towards the eastern Mediterranean from the central part of the sea on Tuesday, state-run news agency RIA quoted the Defence Ministry as saying.

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This is unconfirmed and very early on (it just went beyond the "breaking news" headline at the top of the Reuters page)
1 posted on 09/03/2013 2:10:05 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Hmmmm...


2 posted on 09/03/2013 2:18:43 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot; markomalley

Hey what about that reported shoot down of American F-22 in Syria on Saturday ? I don’t see any FR threads on that.

Supposedly some Tomahawks were shot down as well ?

I see those reports only in blogs/forums - the administration is apparently keeping the lid on the press completely shut on that story, if the story is true.


3 posted on 09/03/2013 2:32:26 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: markomalley

..already been denied in Israel, didn’t happen.


4 posted on 09/03/2013 2:35:16 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: markomalley

http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eastern-mediterranean-343/

Russia’s early warning radars have detected the launch of two ballistic rockets in the eastern Mediterranean, Russia’s Defense Ministry stated. The launch reportedly took place at 06:16 GMT Tuesday.

The trajectory of the missiles is reported to have been from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea towards the eastern landmass.

Russia’s President Putin has already been informed about the incident by Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, RIA Novosti news agency reported.


5 posted on 09/03/2013 2:37:08 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Doogle
..already been denied in Israel, didn’t happen.

Israel 'not aware' of any east Mediterranean missile launch.

Not aware =/= denied

6 posted on 09/03/2013 2:39:57 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: maggief

If they were launched and there is no news of them exploding on land, were they intercepted by ADA?


7 posted on 09/03/2013 2:40:18 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: markomalley

— Reuters India (@ReutersIndia)
September 3, 2013
Russian embassy in Syria says no sign of missile attack or explosions in Damascus after ballistic launches detected - Itar-Tass

Meanwhile, Israel which is believed to have the best intelligence capacity in the region, can’t confirm Russia’s report. Reuters again:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/middle-east-live/2013/sep/03/syria-crisis-2-million-refugees-live


8 posted on 09/03/2013 2:47:27 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: PieterCasparzen

I have nothing reliable or firsthand.


9 posted on 09/03/2013 2:48:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: markomalley

A "US Official" is very credible, right?

10 posted on 09/03/2013 2:49:49 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: eastforker

CNBCWorld@CNBCWorld 9m

Ballistic missiles fired in the Meditarrenean fell into the sea, according to news agency RIA. May have been a test launch. #Syria


11 posted on 09/03/2013 2:49:56 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Sounds as if it may indeed have been shot down.


12 posted on 09/03/2013 2:54:25 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: markomalley
RT ‏@RT_com 2m MORE: UK Ministry of Defense say they are aware of rocket launches in Mediterranean but took no part in the incident http://on.rt.com/q000to RT ‏@RT_com 2m DEVELOPING: French Ministry of Defense says they don’t have data on missile rockets launch in Mediterranean http://on.rt.com/q000to
13 posted on 09/03/2013 2:58:00 AM PDT by Blonde
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Ballistic objects detected by Russia fell into sea: RIA
14 posted on 09/03/2013 3:04:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
Well, it's unlikely to be us, we wouldn't be ballistic-missile, we'd be cruise-missile.

If anything at all, it would be some rebels on a boat trying to start WWIII.

15 posted on 09/03/2013 3:10:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: eastforker

@AFP 2m

#UPDATE US ship may have fired rockets for weather reconnaissance: Russian source


16 posted on 09/03/2013 3:12:28 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Now that is really strange, rockets for weather Recon? Really.......Really?


17 posted on 09/03/2013 3:16:42 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: eastforker; markomalley

ISRAEL SAYS CARRIED OUT JOINT MISSILE TEST WITH U.S. IN THE MEDITERRANEAN
by Reuters_LindaNoakes 5:23 AM


18 posted on 09/03/2013 3:23:58 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

BREAKING: Israel claims its responsibility for launch of test rocket in the Mediterranean - @ria_novosti http://on.rt.com/q000to


19 posted on 09/03/2013 3:25:11 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

MORE: #Israel claims 2 missiles fired from Mediterranean were for target practice - Defence Ministry http://on.rt.com/q000to


20 posted on 09/03/2013 3:28:37 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Lazamataz
... we wouldn't be ballistic-missile, we'd be cruise-missile.

"...Russia’s Defense Ministry said Tuesday citing its ballistic missile early warning system."

FYI, Russians are often misconstrued in translation, the system tracks all objects and airfoil objects can be mislabeled.

Here is the reason you are probably correct: The launch was detected at 10:16 Moscow time (06:16 GMT) by a radar in the southern Russian city of Armavir,...

That's far enough to require some altitude to be detected,...unless the detection was remote by a Russian T-50 (or earlier) AWACS.

21 posted on 09/03/2013 3:31:14 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: maggief

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Syria_9

Israel says carries out joint missile test with U.S. in the Med.

JERUSALEM, Sept 3 (Reuters) - Israel said it carried out a test of a missile, used as a target in a U.S.-funded anti-missile system, in the Mediterranean on Tuesday. The Israeli Defence Ministry said the test was conducted at 9:15 a.m. (0615 GMT), about the same time that Russia’s state-run RIA news agency reported that Russian radar had detected the launch of two ballistic “objects” in the Mediterranean.
by Nigel Stevenson (Reuters) 5:36 AM


22 posted on 09/03/2013 3:37:25 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Test missiles? At a time it could ignite WWIII? Nobody’s that insane.


23 posted on 09/03/2013 3:41:11 AM PDT by grania
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To: Doogle

And then they claimed it was a joint op.....

They never fib..... ha.


24 posted on 09/03/2013 3:53:46 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: grania

25 posted on 09/03/2013 3:54:51 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: grania

Apparently the IDF is ‘kinda doing their own thing’ for this dust-up. Obama likely hopes Israel will burn...


26 posted on 09/03/2013 4:02:57 AM PDT by CaptSkip
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To: markomalley

...there was a joint exercise of some sort........testing...*smiles*


27 posted on 09/03/2013 4:11:48 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: markomalley

False radar signal to see what a reaction may be?


28 posted on 09/03/2013 4:14:30 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: markomalley

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3061871/posts


29 posted on 09/03/2013 4:14:30 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: grania

“Test missiles? At a time it could ignite WWIII? Nobody’s that insane.”

Test launches are generally well announced in advance. There are maritime warnings to ensure ships aren’t in the target area.

It’s unlikely anyone would attack Syria with ballistic missiles. Generally, ballistic missiles have high yield warheads. That’s like shooting a fly with a Remington 12ga. Cruise missiles have small warheads and destroy the target by exploding directly over it. Nobody’s likely to have the targeting information necessary as any target worth hitting will be well hidden by now.


30 posted on 09/03/2013 4:28:41 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: maggief

This is all escalating quickly


31 posted on 09/03/2013 4:28:42 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Gen.Blather

Testing Syrian and Russian radars.


32 posted on 09/03/2013 4:30:10 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25

I think it is a preplanned US-Israel missile defense test, that they were not going to forego, *especially* because of the situation in Syria. The largest radar in Israel is run by the U.S. DoD.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2115955,00.html?xid=rss-world&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Fworld+%28TIME%3A+Top+World+Stories%29


33 posted on 09/03/2013 5:02:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: markomalley

World Wars have started on lesser events.


34 posted on 09/03/2013 5:07:48 AM PDT by McGruff (Strange times are these in which we live...)
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To: McGruff

Wait, weren’t there planned military exercises in the area any way? Remember, Obama pulled out and said we would not participate in the exercises with Syria....

I don’t remember the dates those were supposed to happen.
Nonetheless, testing missiles in that tinderbox right now does appear very provocative.


35 posted on 09/03/2013 5:21:28 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Gen.Blather

Ballistic and cruise missiles have the same general range in payload. Conventional warheads are between 1000 and 2000 lbs.


36 posted on 09/03/2013 5:22:36 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: markomalley

It would appear that the “test” failed.


37 posted on 09/03/2013 5:23:23 AM PDT by radec
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To: PieterCasparzen

can you point to the blogs/forums on that?

I’m well past trusting the U.S. media on any reporting in this mess(read: I don’t wait for NYT-AP-CNN to verify intel). However, until the internet crashes, there are still pieces that can be put together to get the bottom of this. And I suggest we start doing just that.

Hint: many foreign media, and outlets providing ‘less-sanitized’ and more credible information. Got that, NSA?


38 posted on 09/03/2013 5:24:46 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: edpc

“Ballistic and cruise missiles have the same general range in payload.”

I suppose things have improved, but the circular error probability with ballistic missiles has not been generally good. Also, you need to know where the targets are and there has been too much coverage of the subject to believe the Syrians haven’t dispersed and/or spoofed the targets. Also, ballistic missiles tend to set off multiple alarms in neighboring countries and could lead to an accidental engagement. If we provide prior knowledge of a launch to the Russians we’d might as well stay home because the targets won’t be there. (This is all about image and politics. If it were about smacking the hell out of Assad, the only way to do that is with no prior warning. The opportunity of surprise has not only been thrown away, it was shredded first.)


39 posted on 09/03/2013 5:41:46 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Lazamataz

“If anything at all, it would be some rebels on a boat trying to start WWIII.”

When is the last time anyone saw McCain? :)


40 posted on 09/03/2013 5:46:36 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: maggief

I am trying to remember so maybe you can confirm but didn’t the IMF shut down the radar last time they hit Syrian sites? I am wondering if they were making sure they still have that capability.


41 posted on 09/03/2013 5:49:38 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: barmag25
Testing Syrian and Russian radars.

That's exactly right. Those launches were done for a clear reason, and the Russians obliged by detecting and announcing them.

42 posted on 09/03/2013 5:57:52 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Gen.Blather

The SCUD CEP is not very good. They’re still pretty much glorified V-2s. You’re correct that it’s likely we would not engage targets in this fashion due to the heads up it provides. If it were to be carried out like that, most likely it would be a secondary strike against fixed, hardened targets. Obviously, Israel has some real concerns about inbound ballistic missiles, wants to be prepared, and wants others to know they are.


43 posted on 09/03/2013 6:00:03 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: crosslink

I will see if I can find anything.

RT:

10:58 GMT: Israel claimed a joint missile launch with the US in the Mediterranean Sea. The Israeli Defense Ministry spokesmen told journalists that they tested an “anchor” target missile used to check how well the anti-missile system known as “Arrow-2” functions. The launch took place at 06:15 GMT, the ministry spokesmen added.


44 posted on 09/03/2013 6:03:41 AM PDT by maggief
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To: penelopesire
If anything at all, it would be some rebels on a boat trying to start WWIII.”

Never fear, Cap'n Kerry will run them down with his swift boat...(Oh yeah, /s)

45 posted on 09/03/2013 6:08:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

LOL!

In all seriousness, sure seems stupid to be doing secret tests that could accidentally start a regional war! Yet another reason to be against this whole thing.....the people running the show! Obama, Hagel and their assembled yes men? Heaven help us!


46 posted on 09/03/2013 6:12:21 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: maggief

N.Y. Times: IDF Unit 8200 Cyberattack Disabled Syrian Anti-Aircraft Defense

by Richard Silverstein on September 27, 2010 · 11 comments

in Blogs-Tech-Science, Mideast Peace

The N.Y. Times published a report about the Stuxnet virus which takes an interesting and slightly contrarian view of the power and lethality of the virus. But the most interesting part of the article was a list of other previous cyberattacks that were initiated by governments. Among them, John Markoff notes that Israel’s attack on the alleged Syrian nuclear reactor involved disabling that nation’s radar/anti-aircraft defenses. According to the reporter, the IDF’s Unit 8200 devised an ingenious method of shutting the radar off


47 posted on 09/03/2013 6:16:42 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: markomalley

Bibi is letting the world know that he is ready, even if Obama and his gang of merry men aren’t...


48 posted on 09/03/2013 6:23:52 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s The Voronezh Early Warning Radar in Azerbaijan.

It’s fairly new, being built to replace the EWR’s lost when Ukraine went independent.


49 posted on 09/03/2013 6:24:51 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: crosslink; penelopesire; thouworm

Hmm ...

RT_com 3h

UPDATE: Syrian radar doesn’t detect any missiles landing on their territory - security source to TV http://on.rt.com/q000to

@RT_com 4h

BREAKING: Russia’s early radars detect launch of two ballistic rockets in Mediterranean – Defense Ministry http://on.rt.com/q000to

http://images.scribblelive.com/2013/9/2/e11e08ce-adbb-48d9-96c7-fc93e163ff00_500.jpg

REUTERS PICTURE: Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighters inspect the remains of a jet fighter, which FSA said belongs to forces loyal to Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad, after it crashed in Deir al- Zor September 2, 2013. It is unclear as to what caused the crash, with some members of the FSA claiming they shot it down. REUTERS/Mohamad Alfarati
by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 10:00 AM yesterday

########################################

FLASHBACK:

http://fpif.org/turkish_f-4_activated_syrian_radar_to_scope_out_blind_spots/

By Conn Hallinan, June 27, 2012.

What was that Turkish F-4 Phantom II up to when the Syrians shot it down?

Ankara said the plane strayed into Syrian airspace, but quickly left and was over international waters when it was attacked, a simple case of carelessness on the part of the Turkish pilot that Syrian paranoia turned deadly.

But the Phantom—eyewitnesses told Turkish television that there were two aircraft, but there is no official confirmation of that observation—was hardly on a Sunday outing. According to the Financial Times, Turkey’s Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, told the newspaper “the jet was on a test and training mission focused on Turkey’s radar defense, rather than Syria.”

Translation: the F-4 was “lighting up” a radar net. It is a common—if dangerous and illegal—tactic that allows one to probe an opponent’s radar system. Most combat radar is kept in a passive mode to prevent a potential enemy from mapping out weaknesses or blind spots that can be useful in the advent of an attack. The probes also give you valuable information on how to neutralize anti-aircraft guns and ground to air missiles.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/29/russia-upgrades-radar-station-syria-aid-iran/

Wednesday, February 29, 2012

JERUSALEM — Russia has upgraded a surveillance station it maintains in Syrian territory in order to provide Iran early warning of an Israeli attack, according to the Israeli security-related blog Debkafile.

The surveillance station, located south of Damascus, had been able to monitor air traffic in Israel as far south as Tel Aviv, as well as northern Jordan and western Iraq.


50 posted on 09/03/2013 6:25:53 AM PDT by maggief
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