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US general says Syria action could be 'more substantial than thought'
The Telegraph ^ | 9/3/2013

Posted on 09/03/2013 2:36:56 AM PDT by markomalley

General Jack Keane, a former vice chief of staff of the US Army, told BBC Radio 4 that he had spoken to senior Republican senators who had been briefed by the US president on Monday, and had been assured that Mr Obama planned to do significant damage to the forces of Bashar al-Assad.

The Obama administration has previously said that military strikes would not be aimed at toppling Assad's government nor altering the balance of the conflict. Instead, the White House has suggested, they would be intended to punish Assad for the alleged gas attack in Damascus on Aug 21 and to reinstate Washington's "red line" against the use of chemical weapons.

But Gen. Keane said he understood Mr Obama was planning a more substantial intervention in Syria than had previously been thought, with increased support for the opposition forces, including training from US troops. He said the plans could involve "much more substance than we were led to believe".

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1 posted on 09/03/2013 2:36:56 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

The Simple Agenda of the Obama Administration:

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Help al Qaeda
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
Help al Qaeda
Destroy American infrastructure
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Help al Qaeda


2 posted on 09/03/2013 2:39:35 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: markomalley
"But Gen. Keane said he understood Mr Obama was planning a more substantial intervention in Syria than had previously been thought, with increased support for the opposition forces, including training from US troops..."

So almost exactly 12 years after 9/11 we're expending funds, arming, training and putting our people in harm's way on behalf of Al Qaeda? Or am I not understanding what's going on here?

3 posted on 09/03/2013 2:43:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Diogenesis

Aw hell no


4 posted on 09/03/2013 2:48:53 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: markomalley
"Could be more substantial than thought"

Vaporous whispey clouds in near vacuums are more substantial than the thinking in this administration

5 posted on 09/03/2013 2:51:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So almost exactly 12 years after 9/11 we’re expending funds, arming, training and putting our people in harm’s way on behalf of Al Qaeda? Or am I not understanding what’s going on here?


Just remember this, when the Saudi’s buy a president he stays bought.

You have no idea how utterly tired I am of the American Armed forces being used as ‘mercenaries’ or ‘Janissaries’ by the Saudi’s.


6 posted on 09/03/2013 2:52:40 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: barmag25

substantial intervention in Syria

With all the firepower being brought to bear, it is obvious to me this asshat is planning on destroying most of the infastructure of the Syrian military and perhaps the general population in an effort to “tilt” the scales in favor of the “free Syrian” forces, our enemy. Once he gets his “limited” authorization, this guy who has no bounds will just say so because after all he is the self acknowledged commander in chief except he forgets that is of the US, not the Universe.


7 posted on 09/03/2013 2:54:48 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: The Working Man

“Onward Christian Soldiers” as the Desert Storm “joke” went.


8 posted on 09/03/2013 2:56:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: markomalley
MAYBE this is true, HOWEVER Obama just wants the Muslim Brotherhood to WIN there because he is a big SUPPORTER of the Muslim Brotherhood!!

One his EGO gets involved in this bombing, NOTHING is impossible, like Syria bombing ISRAEL!! Which is ANOTHER thing that Obama wants.....he wants Israel GONE!! WAKE UP!!

9 posted on 09/03/2013 2:56:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: The Working Man
You have no idea how utterly tired I am of the American Armed forces being used as ‘mercenaries’ or ‘Janissaries’ by the Saudi’s.

Hmmm! I wonder whether these are the same Saudi Arabians we've handed trillions to for oil in recent decades. I wonder whether they're the same Saudi Arabians who sent us terrorists on September 11, 2001. The same bunch? Not?

It's so hard to keep those Saudis straight!

10 posted on 09/03/2013 3:00:36 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: markomalley

“Gen. Keane said he understood Mr Obama was planning a more substantial intervention in Syria than had previously been thought”

No sh!t. The chemical weapons attack was always just a pretext. The muslim brotherhood lost Egypt and they need a new base of operations.


11 posted on 09/03/2013 3:03:06 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, good one.

It’s been a long trip for me. But I’ve gone from a full rah-rah supporter of the U.S. in trying to bring democracy and the ‘American way’ to the world to a home-body Isolationist.

I agree with Sarah Palin “Let Allah sort ‘em out”


12 posted on 09/03/2013 3:04:31 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Mouton

Surprised this was said before the vote.


13 posted on 09/03/2013 3:08:09 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: markomalley

Put calls into all your Congresscritters and give them hell.


14 posted on 09/03/2013 3:08:11 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Ann Archy
One his EGO gets involved in this bombing, NOTHING is impossible, like Syria bombing ISRAEL!! Which is ANOTHER thing that Obama wants.....he wants Israel GONE!! WAKE UP!!

I believe with all my heart and soul God's hand is one this action. And for me to believe that, it is to understand that Damascus will be a city no more, that America will collapse into 4 smaller kingdoms with no power(which means we lose big time), that muslims rise-up in America and we see Christians slaughtered in the streets and in their beds as they sleep.

Is all right with your soul?

Isaiah 17, Psalm 83, Daniel 8

15 posted on 09/03/2013 3:08:17 AM PDT by EBH (Is Damascus on the Eve of Destruction? Isaiah 17)
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To: Standing Wolf

Hmmm! I wonder whether these are the same Saudi Arabians we’ve handed trillions to for oil in recent decades. I wonder whether they’re the same Saudi Arabians who sent us terrorists on September 11, 2001. The same bunch? Not?

It’s so hard to keep those Saudis straight!


From what I’ve been attempting to decipher over the years it appears they are the same bunch. Or possibly another way to put it, is to say they are a part of the same ‘Family’ with only a bit of difference on how to accomplish the same goals.


16 posted on 09/03/2013 3:09:22 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: EBH

WTH??? Are you FOR Bombing Syria??


17 posted on 09/03/2013 3:09:40 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy; EBH

I didn’t read EBH’s comments to mean that, at all. I read it to mean he believes Scripture and the prophecy contained therein is likely to unfold.


18 posted on 09/03/2013 3:16:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz; EBH

Where does Scripture, the Bible, say that America will be 4 smaller kingdoms?? I read the Bible every day and have not seen that.


19 posted on 09/03/2013 3:18:40 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: The Working Man

It’s been a long trip for me. But I’ve gone from a full rah-rah supporter of the U.S. in trying to bring democracy and the ‘American way’ to the world to a home-body Isolationist.


I hear ya....taken the same journey.


20 posted on 09/03/2013 3:24:40 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: markomalley

And the Pentagon could not even make payroll this summer. Where is the money to have Obama and Reggie’s Excellent Adventure coming from?


21 posted on 09/03/2013 3:25:58 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Ann Archy; EBH

I sure haven’t seen that particular verse. Perhaps EBH overstepped his claim. Nonetheless, the rest is there.


22 posted on 09/03/2013 3:26:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: chasio649; The Working Man
But I’ve gone from a full rah-rah supporter of the U.S. in trying to bring democracy and the ‘American way’ to the world to a home-body Isolationist.

I can tell you what bothers you, deep down; You have a sense that we should bring the 'American Way' to America, first.

Otherwise we are just promoting globalism, communism, radical islam, and fascism -- which is where we find OUR country these days.

23 posted on 09/03/2013 3:29:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

You are right...no argument there.


24 posted on 09/03/2013 3:44:26 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: markomalley

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Mint Press news ^ | August 29, 2013 | Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3061869/posts


25 posted on 09/03/2013 3:50:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Mouton
With all the firepower being brought to bear, it is obvious to me this asshat is planning on destroying most of the infastructure of the Syrian military and perhaps the general population.........

Our Communist in Chief's reasoning is that if Assad did use gas to kill 1,000+ people, then he will punish Assad by killing more Syrians but he'll do it the "right way", with regular missiles.......

26 posted on 09/03/2013 3:51:34 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: markomalley

Assad is probably leaving the country right now.


27 posted on 09/03/2013 3:57:45 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: markomalley

Obama is putting out this story to get more Rep support in Congress. Reps want a more robust response. They want regime change.


28 posted on 09/03/2013 3:58:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: markomalley
Bottom line here folks... if any politician supports obama and his evil doing... they themselves are evil and you will be held responsible for your vote if you cast a vote for their reelection... knowing that these are evil people supporting the largest evil to ever govern in America. Remember GOD in the voting booth... he will be standing right beside you.

LLS

29 posted on 09/03/2013 4:00:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Lazamataz

I can tell you what bothers you, deep down; You have a sense that we should bring the ‘American Way’ to America, first.

Otherwise we are just promoting globalism, communism, radical islam, and fascism — which is where we find OUR country these days.


Good point Laz.

But more than anything else, it reminds me of my ex-wife. She had such a poor opinion of herself for such a long time that I tried everything to boost her up -— at my own expense and what did it gain me, a supporting spouse? Hardly, she found someone else and we got a divorce. Two years later I was doing MUCH better and she was back where she was before I boosted up her self-esteem, image... etc.

The lesson I learned there is that it all comes from within, our self-respect, esteem and willingness to better ourselves in the face of adversity.

And now with America... Ever since the end of World War II we have been ‘there’, time after time, trying to boost up other countries. We’ve even taken in their poor and discontented in the effort to boost them up individually and it’s come to this, we’ve drained our strength, expended our ‘treasure’ and beat our heads against the wall over and over. And for what?

We are not stronger than we were, morally or economically, we are ‘tired’ and it’s time to put an end to this foolishness. Lead by example and make our nation the best it can be and as for the rest? ‘Let Allah sort them out’ I’m way past being ‘over it’.


30 posted on 09/03/2013 4:03:48 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: varon

Big problem for Zero is that Assad is actually winning that war, and his MB buddies need major help. By degrading Syrias mitary he can provide that help.


31 posted on 09/03/2013 4:09:04 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: markomalley

Any substantial military action led by Obama/Kerry and the LBGT crew of Generals and Admirals is destined to be an epic fail.
Will enable war profiteers to increase the price of petro based products to insane levels, will enable even more government control of our daily lives.
Anticipate Cypress like confiscation of bank accounts to pay for it all.


32 posted on 09/03/2013 4:13:11 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: markomalley

What did he base this upon? Social media?


33 posted on 09/03/2013 4:16:58 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Palio di Siena

I agree with Sarah Palin “Let Allah sort ‘em out”


34 posted on 09/03/2013 4:19:48 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: markomalley

McInsane and his little side-kick, Linseed, have been successfully used by El Bozo to unleash the dogs of war. They should take full credit for the results.


35 posted on 09/03/2013 4:28:37 AM PDT by txrefugee
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>>tilt” the scales in favor of the “free Syrian” forces,<<

Yeah, free Syrian forces. Just an aside, a video was posted (freakin gory) of the free Syrian forces sawing the head off of a guy with a small dagger, then kicking his body off in a pre-dug hole. The guy picks the mans head up by the hair and does a lalalalalalalalalala...and throws it in the hole with the guy just before making a woman kneel beside the same hole and popping a few 7.62 rnds into her and kicking her into the hole with the dead guy.

What the hell are we doing giving ANY sort of support to these barbarians. I mean, this is some sick stuff. This guy probably went and had lunch afterward. Sick sick sick people over there.

36 posted on 09/03/2013 4:49:24 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Standing Wolf

I have a feeling that the duplicitous Saudis are on the stage for some reason in this fiasco. However, I also believe there is more to this situation than just Syria and Arabs. I repeat what I have believed for some time; this quagmire is about gold bullion, tons of it worth trillions of dollars and ‘owned’ by the banking powers in Europe but now in the hands of Assad. The bank connection is in the USA, it is in England all the way to the throne, and especially to France and the Rothchilds. It is these connections that put the USA at the mercy of Saudi oil. History needs to be reviewed and heeded as this Arabian nightmare unfolds.


37 posted on 09/03/2013 5:04:29 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: EBH

Explain your part about America becoming 4 smaller kingdoms. Thanks. Serious question.


38 posted on 09/03/2013 5:11:00 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Diogenesis
Yup, I think Obama formed his agenda during some twenty years of his youth while listening to his pastor curse America on a regular basis. I think Obama formed a hatred for freedom ("us blacks are excluded") and America ("get back at Whitey"). (My quotes - his attitude IMO.)

However, I think Obama has a problem (more than one I venture). Somewhere along the line of his rise as a community organizer, he received Jesus Christ as his personal savior. Speaking from 45 years of experience, I have found that born-again believers change GRADUALLY from the inside out. Salvation and spiritual wholeness is instantaneous, but the rest - mind, will, emotions, flesh, strongholds, habits, etc. - take years and decades to be reformed depending on the person. God loves them (us) just as much no matter how much work is needed. In Obama's case, the work needed looks like it is considerable. And some may never change in certain areas (akin to Old Testament Israel's dying in the wilderness before entering the Promise Land). They are still saved, but they have failed to reach their God-ordained destiny before going to Heaven.

All that to say our POTUS (like all of us) is a work in progress. This doesn't excuse his attempts to undermine our country. But I think inside somewhere, the guy is conflicted. And I hope internally or externally he'll be stopped from doing what he has set out to do.

39 posted on 09/03/2013 5:29:12 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: chasio649

You are on the same path then as the people of the early Republic. Remember George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are two examples of those who were opposed to entangling alliances and involvement in European affairs. That remained the focus of US foreign policy until the advent of the 20th century and the rise of Progressivism. It’s past time to return to their tried and true foreign policy.


40 posted on 09/03/2013 5:36:28 AM PDT by garfield
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To: markomalley
FTA:

He said the plans could involve "much more substance than we were led to believe".

After speaking to Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who attended the briefing with Mr Obama, Gen. Keane said: "What he won't do is topple the regime. There's a distinction here.

"What he has told the two senators is that he also intends to assist the opposition forces, so he is going to degrade Assad's military capacity and he is going to assist and upgrade the opposition forces with training assistance."

Nothing but an appalling mass of doublespeak. If the goal is to degrade Assad's military capacity while upgrading the AQ/MB forces, pretty much the same gobbledegook the Mahdi used in talking about Libya, the goal is, and can be nothing other than, regime change.

41 posted on 09/03/2013 5:36:51 AM PDT by libstripper (])
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To: The Working Man
A president who's been bought the way the Mahdi's been bought especially stays bought because the Saudis have copies of all the records he's kept hidden from the American people.
42 posted on 09/03/2013 5:39:54 AM PDT by libstripper (])
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To: markomalley
One thing is for certain:

This will take our minds off obamacare while our currency collapses.


43 posted on 09/03/2013 5:42:09 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: txrefugee

McCain has been a willing accomplice in all of this madness since the beginning. He serves the same master(s) Obama does, and has for a very long time.


44 posted on 09/03/2013 5:42:48 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: The Working Man
But I’ve gone from a full rah-rah supporter of the U.S. in trying to bring democracy and the ‘American way’ to the world to a home-body Isolationist.

So have I, especially when we'll be intervening on behalf of AQ/MB, an intervention that will give them Assasd's chemical weapons arsenal. Then, just guess how many American cities will be hit with those very weapons.

45 posted on 09/03/2013 5:45:16 AM PDT by libstripper (])
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To: xzins; EBH

I’m unaware of any Biblical basis for that theory, but the Russians are extremely confident it will become a reality. According to Larry Grathwohl, this was also the Weather Underground’s post-revolution blueprint for governing what was left of the U.S.


46 posted on 09/03/2013 5:50:01 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: xzins; Ann Archy; Lazamataz

Daniel 8 and read the whole chapter as the Bible itself gives the dreams interpretation.

You ask me to explain and the reference was given for the chapter that discusses it.

8Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly. But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

9Out of one of them came forth a rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Beautiful Land...

He-goats, rams and horns all refer to nations. Look up what a he-goat actually is.

Rev. 7:1, 2 Chronicles 26:16, Jeremiah 49:36, Daniel 5:20, Daniel 7:2

To Ann Archy, I am not saying we should strike...I am saying God’s hand is on the wheel. As confusing as 0bama’s bizarre behavior is...it clearly appears to me he is fulfilling prophecy whether he knows it or not.

Personally, I think he decided to go to congress to get a declaration of war and the American people & media are too stupid to realize it. The geopolitical temptation of Syria for the Muslim Brotherhood and potential caliphate is too great.


47 posted on 09/03/2013 5:57:46 AM PDT by EBH (Is Damascus on the Eve of Destruction? Isaiah 17)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; EBH

I’d never heard it before and am interested in understanding it.


48 posted on 09/03/2013 5:58:30 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Daniel 8 gives a description of the attack.

5As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn between its eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without touching the ground. 6It came toward the two-horned ram I had seen standing beside the canal and charged at it in great rage. 7I saw it attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering its two horns. The ram was powerless to stand against it; the goat knocked it to the ground and trampled on it, and none could rescue the ram from its power. 8The goat became very great, but at the height of its power the large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven.


49 posted on 09/03/2013 6:01:54 AM PDT by EBH (Is Damascus on the Eve of Destruction? Isaiah 17)
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To: EBH
Hi EBH. I looked up Daniel 8 and found this also:

19 He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. 20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between his eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power

Daniel 8 also goes on to explain the goat. It says the goat is Greece.

Perhaps you see something that says this passage has another future fulfillment. If so, can you share that? Thanks.

50 posted on 09/03/2013 6:03:06 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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