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Rand Paul ready for a standing filibuster 2.0 on Syria? (Video in the link)
Hot Air.com ^ | September 3, 2013 | ERIKA JOHNSON

Posted on 09/04/2013 2:02:30 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 09/04/2013 2:02:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Somebody has to stop the psychopaths.


2 posted on 09/04/2013 2:10:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: Kaslin

Shouldn’t be a need for a filibuster but the left is willing to start a war to get away from the current scandals that appear to be fading away anyway.

The majority of the GOP are castrated lemmings.


3 posted on 09/04/2013 2:12:31 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: maddog55

...”The majority of the GOP are castrated lemmings”...

This is what happens to career politicians. The people are the least of their concerns. They are padding their wallets at the expense of America and it’s people. Rand Paul is not among them. He is a statesman because he knows history, has a brain to think with and principles to uphold. He is not beholden to the “machine.” A true statesman is a rare figure in the halls of Congress and Senator Paul, I think, is one.


4 posted on 09/04/2013 2:38:10 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite

Add to that Sen. Ted Cruz as well.


5 posted on 09/04/2013 2:43:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Kaslin

Wow - Kerry would not look up the entire time that Sen Paul was addressing him - not once. He was pretending to write notes, etc but would not look up. Not once.

Isn’t what this regime is about - refusing to acknowledge others’ points of view and attempting ridicule to minimize others’ opinions?

What a sad state we’re in with these morons. We have Russia’s president much closer to the position of Americans. We have Isreal’s head schooling 0dumbo multiple times. We have leaders around the world calling him a coward to put politics above leadership. We have a world falling to pieces on his watch and he lays blame at others’ feet. He gives weapons to drug lords and blames others. He uses the police power of the executive branch in criminal operations and blames others.

This guy is an absolute joke. I hope we survive him and his cabal of morons.


6 posted on 09/04/2013 3:00:46 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Biggirl

Huh?


7 posted on 09/04/2013 3:07:01 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Biggirl

What do you have against Senator Cruz?


8 posted on 09/04/2013 3:08:45 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Nothing. Both Paul and Cruz ARE GIANTS in the the Senate. Should had better explain myself. Having my second cup of morning joe.


9 posted on 09/04/2013 3:11:39 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: maddog55

Is Rand Ready? If he does, and is outvoted, and if it goes badly for America—Rand Paul will be the next president of the USA. Imagine if russia starts to release all the stuff they have on Obama? what happens if Iran is pulled in and Israel? I fear things could go badly fast.


10 posted on 09/04/2013 3:17:43 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Go badly it will, it will be of Biblical proportion too... for these things have been prophesied in the Bible. Isaiah 17:1-2 says "The burden against Damascus. 'Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap". Damascus has existed for over 2,500 yrs and has never become a "ruinous heap" till now. Other prophecies say Israel's surrounding neighbors will attack but Israel will defeat them.

I'm of the belief that if Obama pulls the trigger, we will loose at least one navy vessel and there will be great loss of life and great embarrassment for the US. I also believe these are the last days... turn to God while there is yet time... the US is out of time.

11 posted on 09/04/2013 3:41:21 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Kaslin

Bring in the porta-potty and a coffee maker and have at it Senator! And, a wireless mic...


12 posted on 09/04/2013 3:53:42 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Kaslin
SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): Madison was very explicit, when he wrote the Federalist papers, he wrote that history supposes, or the constitution supposes what history demonstrates is that the executive is the branch most likely to go to war and therefore the constitution vested that power in the Congress. It is explicit throughout all of Madison's writings. This power is a Congressional power and it is not an executive power. They didn't say big war, small war. They didn't say boots on the ground, not boots on the ground. They said declare war.

That's not exactly correct. The Constitution also empowers Congress to grant letters of Marque and Reprisal.

Many pretend these don't exist, and that they're from a bygone era.

However, what they are are military or covert operations less than war that injure an enemy for reasons of reprisal or national security interest.

So, Congress can grant a letter to pursue an objective that injures an enemy, even militarily, but that is less than war.

13 posted on 09/04/2013 3:56:40 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

How about Rand Paul drop his own Amnesty Proposal first.

I’d trust him a whole lot more then.

I’d also believe, a whole lot easier, that this was more than just political theater.


14 posted on 09/04/2013 4:31:02 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: jazzlite
This is what happens to career politicians. The people are the least of their concerns. They are padding their wallets at the expense of America and it’s people. Rand Paul is not among them. He is a statesman because he knows history, has a brain to think with and principles to uphold. He is not beholden to the “machine.” A true statesman is a rare figure in the halls of Congress and Senator Paul, I think, is one.

A Statesman does not offer up an Amnesty plan AS Rand Paul has.

Anyone who offers up an Amnesty plan to provide Amnesty for 30 million+ Undocumented Democrats can only be labeled a Traitor or extremely stupid.

I know Rand Paul is not stupid.
15 posted on 09/04/2013 4:33:36 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: jazzlite

If he filibusters on this I think people will start gathering at the Capitol.

Many No War for Ego signs.

If he filibusters, he will be the head of Whatever party he chooses. He will be a remarkable leftist fighter.


16 posted on 09/04/2013 4:43:37 AM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough...)
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To: Chickensoup
If he filibusters on this I think people will start gathering at the Capitol. Many No War for Ego signs.

No War For Snake Oil! No War For Gas!

Sadly, most people can't bestir themselves to phone their congressman, never mind protest. The usual excuse: "Phone call's useless...and I have to work."

17 posted on 09/04/2013 4:55:54 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: SoConPubbie

Sorry, but the topic is 0bama’s war on Syria, not amnesty. Don’t change the subject by trying to hijack my thread


18 posted on 09/04/2013 5:00:45 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Biggirl

Oh, okay thanks. I misunderstood you.


19 posted on 09/04/2013 5:02:29 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Chickensoup
...If he filibusters on this I think people will start gathering at the Capitol....

This is the path followed by the Left: rule by mob. Whomever is the loudest carries the day. We should avoid such behavior. I am completely sympathetic to Senator Paul's position, but I disagree that a filibuster would be an effective strategy politically or an appropriate course for a duly elected official of this great Republic. Going to war is a grave decision and Congress deserves to have a vote. Denying the people's legislative body the right to express its preference is wrong, and I am certain that the Founding Fathers would not support a parliamentary gimmick to forestall a vote on the most serious question a country can ever pose to itself. The Founding Fathers would not approve of the erection of such a barrier to the legitimate democratic process even though to a man they would condemn this unwarranted incursion in the affairs of another country.

20 posted on 09/04/2013 5:39:03 AM PDT by irish_links
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To: irish_links

I think you misunderstand.

A filibuster allows him and Cruz and others of their persuasion to talk and invite Americans to listen. As long as they can hold the floor uninterrupted. They can inspire and educate.

In the end it does not stop a vote unless there are enough votes to stop one, and Rand Paul knows there won’t be. Reid and the Senate Dems along with the McCain insane faction of “R”s will pass this in the Senate.

They will get to engage because that’s how the Senate is set up.

There will also be a vote, just delayed for a few hours.

Rand filibustered on a nomination, for 13 hrs, in order to demand that the WH clarify its position on the legality of killing Americans in America with Drones, something they had dodged before.

There was then a vote on that nomination after Rand gave up the floor, and that nomination passed overwhelmingly.


21 posted on 09/04/2013 6:21:19 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: HomeAtLast; Chickensoup
Many No War for Ego signs.
No War For Snake Oil! No War For Gas!

No Blood for Oil signs, too. With a side of pitchforks!

22 posted on 09/04/2013 6:39:39 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Kaslin

Now we have a 21st Century Tonkin Gulf Resolution. There were no Nay votes in the House, and only two Senators voted Nay in the Senate, Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernst Gruening of Alaska. Morse is a hero of the anti-war left for that vote. I am not a fan of Morse but he was correct in his assessment of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, and Paul is right in his assessment of this obvious fraud.


23 posted on 09/04/2013 6:41:16 AM PDT by Chemistry Ken
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To: Kaslin

Paul made a great point to horseface, if the president will go to war without the Congressional vote, it makes a mockery out of Congress.

I guess Congress has now become the U.N.


24 posted on 09/04/2013 6:55:50 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: xzins
Yeah, odd.

His old man lectured on using letters of Marque and Reprisal. Ron, wanted to use them to go after OBL.

Secondly, Rand is wrong on War. A State is also empowered to engage in War. Congress and a State are the only principles that can do that.

25 posted on 09/04/2013 7:09:06 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Kaslin

This is REAL leadership.Can you believe in light of the absolute fact that the Al Qaeda had Sarin and Assad had no reason to gas his own people that rrepuublican leadership want to give obama cover for his gullibility


26 posted on 09/04/2013 7:26:37 AM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: Theoria
His old man lectured on using letters of Marque and Reprisal. Ron, wanted to use them to go after OBL.

True. If we had of done that, instead of bombing Afghanistan, maybe the world would still be on our side as every country was after 911.

Slowly, they have turned against us. So many innocent people have been killed.

Now we are going to bomb Syria. That will kill at least a few more innocent people just as happens every time a drone strikes and kills another number two Aquada leader.

27 posted on 09/04/2013 7:45:00 AM PDT by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: SoConPubbie
I suggest you read

Rand Paul’s immigration speech

28 posted on 09/04/2013 7:54:06 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

No problem.


29 posted on 09/04/2013 8:00:39 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Cruz>Paul.

I'll appreciate Rand if he does this, but I find Cruz far more consistent and trustworthy.

30 posted on 09/04/2013 8:04:12 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Principled

Considering how the pattern for the last few decades has been each new administration is worse than the one it replaced, you might survive this one only to get something even worse. And be careful tempting fate about saying no one could be worse.


31 posted on 09/04/2013 8:19:08 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: maddog55

RINOs are the worst type of warmongers. Most are draft-dodgers who have never heard a shot fired in anger. They will send you children off to die in a heart-beat, because they think it’s “patriotic” to support any and all warmongering, whether it be from a republican president or democrat president. They are bloodthirty warmongers of the first degree. Like democrats they think war is but a game, to be played by anyone but them.


32 posted on 09/04/2013 8:26:31 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Kaslin; jazzlite
I suggest you read
Rand Paul’s immigration speech


And I suggest you read these, because like all pandering politicians (ANd Rand Paul has shown himself to be exactly that), they have a tendency to obfuscate, twist the truth, or outright lie:

Have you seen this plan? Where is it? Please post it here.

For EVERYONE's REFERENCE!

comments. Rand Paul’s “Undocumented Citizens” Path to Legality (and Citizenship) (March 20, 2013)

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform (March 19, 2013 Article)

Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify

Rand Paul Defends Immigration Reform: 'I've Got A News Flash' For Coulter And Limbaugh

No, America Does Not Have “De Facto Amnesty”

GOP's Rand Paul, Dems' Luis Gutierrez in step on immigration reform

Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

Rand Paul On Illegals: Trust But Verify

Steve Deace – Et Tu, Rand Paul?

Paul: Republican Party in Need of Facelift

33 posted on 09/04/2013 8:37:35 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Kaslin; Biggirl
"Huh!"

I am sure she meant this part of the statement.

"Rand Paul is not among them. He is a statesman because he knows history, has a brain to think with and principles to uphold. He is not beholden to the “machine.” A true statesman is a rare figure in the halls of Congress and Senator Paul, I think, is one."

34 posted on 09/04/2013 8:40:04 AM PDT by Spunky
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To: Spunky

You’re kinda late, see post#9


35 posted on 09/04/2013 8:45:57 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I hope he does it. Americans are on Rand’s side on this issue. This country needs some leadership to explain, discuss what is going on in Syria. We aren’t getting any leadership anywhere else.


36 posted on 09/04/2013 8:58:03 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: SoConPubbie
You want me to read your threads? This is what I call shameless self promotion. Sorry, ubba, but I am not interested
37 posted on 09/04/2013 9:16:47 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Girlene

Yes, we are


38 posted on 09/04/2013 9:18:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
You want me to read your threads? This is what I call shameless self promotion. Sorry, ubba, but I am not interested
Well here; let me remove your fake reason for not clicking on the links in those FreeRepublic links that actually lead to the articles in question.

For your reading pleasure, you'll find that I've removed all attempts at self-promotion and now these links go right to the sourced articles.

Now you don't have to run away from the debate like a little girl.

Have you seen this plan? Where is it? Please post it here.

For EVERYONE's REFERENCE!

Rand Paul’s “Undocumented Citizens” Path to Legality (and Citizenship) (March 20, 2013)

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform (March 19, 2013 Article)

Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify

Rand Paul Defends Immigration Reform: 'I've Got A News Flash' For Coulter And Limbaugh

No, America Does Not Have “De Facto Amnesty”

GOP's Rand Paul, Dems' Luis Gutierrez in step on immigration reform

Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

Rand Paul On Illegals: Trust But Verify

Steve Deace – Et Tu, Rand Paul?

Paul: Republican Party in Need of Facelift

39 posted on 09/04/2013 10:13:27 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: txrangerette
....I think you misunderstand. A filibuster allows him and Cruz and others of their persuasion to talk and invite Americans to listen. As long as they can hold the floor uninterrupted. They can inspire and educate....

Perhaps you are right about the strategy, but I think this would be a misuse of the term “filibuster.” To filibuster is to extend debate on a bill to such a length that it consumes all the time in a session allocated to a given matter, thereby delaying a call for a vote on the bill until at least the following session. Debate may be ended by the body with a vote of cloture, requiring at least 60 votes.

The president pro tempore or committee chairman can give deference to a member to allow him to speak for a long time, if that's what he chooses to do. But I don't think he's obligated to, and he has the power to limit time taken by a senator to speak on the floor if he wants to; and he probably would if he thinks that he has the votes for cloture.

Anyway, I don't think Paul can block the parliamentary procedure of the Senate at will. He really needs 60 votes to be able to talk beyond is alloted time. If he has the 60 votes, he can filibuster. But I don't think he should filibuster a vote to take the country to war even if he has the votes for the reasons stated in my previous post.

40 posted on 09/04/2013 10:18:36 AM PDT by irish_links
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To: Kaslin
We the People of the United States,

in Order to form a more perfect Union,

establish Justice,

insure domestic Tranquility,

provide for the common defence,

promote the general Welfare,

and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,

do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Our Federal government should be addressing the issues of the vulnerability of our power grid and infrastructure to EMP attack, closing our borders, strengthening our military for defensive use only, abolishing unconstitutional laws that prevent us from becoming energy independent

rather than committing our military to another civil war in the Middle East where they will be fighting alongside the terrorists who attacked us 12 years ago and hate us.

41 posted on 09/04/2013 11:15:15 AM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 105)
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To: Kaslin

A filibuster would be magnificant. But for it to be a political victory would require making it a standing filibuster - talking about the many ways that this proposed resolution could lead to our national security being threatened, terrorism being enabled, etc. This is a rare opportunity to lay it on the line about how Obaba and the party of international terror will destroy the United States.


42 posted on 09/04/2013 3:40:24 PM PDT by antiterrorist77
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To: irish_links

This is the path followed by the Left: rule by mob. Whomever is the loudest carries the day.

____________________________

We are already ruled by mob, bullies and totalitiarians. If we don’t show some size and force, history will say of us as Solzenitzen said:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

Solzhenitsyn

AND:

“How is that people who have been crushed by the sheer weight of slavery and cast to the bottom of the pit can nevertheless find the strength to rise up and free themselves, first in spirit and then in body; while those who soar unhampered over the peaks of freedom suddenly lose the taste for freedom, lose the will to defend it, and, hopelessly confused and lost, almost begin to crave slavery”.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn.


43 posted on 09/04/2013 4:06:02 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Kaslin

Rand is kind of a grandstander. I’d be more convinced of his intentions if he said what kind of military action that he would endorse (not Syria specifically).

If I recall correctly he is an isolationist and while we don’t need to be the world police, we also don’t need to stick our head in the ground and pretend that the world has stopped because we aren’t looking anymore.


44 posted on 09/04/2013 4:32:14 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: Kaslin

I think it’s a done deal in the senate and the senate will vote first. Then those in the house can vote “no”.


45 posted on 09/04/2013 4:42:14 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: dps.inspect

Not even in Siege of Damascus in 634AD, the Capture of Damascus in 1918, or the Great Syrian Revolt in 1925?

And those are just the times Damascus was a “ruinous heap” off the top of my head.


46 posted on 09/04/2013 5:10:55 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: frickin_frackin

Isaiah 17:1-2 says “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap” Take it or leave it...


47 posted on 09/04/2013 6:19:23 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: irish_links

I agree with Paul that Kerry is making a show of consulting Congress. This is no more than theatre. It came about only because Cameron got his ass handed to him by the House of Commons. Fortunately for Kerry he really doesn’t have to stand and deliver, knowing that the opposition has more than a few minutes to shred his arguments.


48 posted on 09/04/2013 9:52:09 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: frickin_frackin

The object of debate her is not what tactics is to be used but whether our trust should be put in Obama. You seem to be willing to do this; I do not.


49 posted on 09/04/2013 9:58:27 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Chickensoup

Indeed, they were let loose in Wisconsin, and more recently in Austin.


50 posted on 09/04/2013 10:01:47 PM PDT by RobbyS
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