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Senate Syria resolution: 60 days with an option for 90, no ground troops
Hotair ^ | 09/04/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/04/2013 6:33:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Late last night, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee settled on new language for an authorization to attack Syria for its use of chemical weapons. Unlike the language proposed by the White House, this explicitly forbids the use of ground troops, limits the action to only Syria, and authorizes force for a maximum of 90 days with the specific intent to stop Bashar al-Assad from using WMDs in the future:

Senate Foreign Relations Committee leaders have reached an agreement on the language for the resolution authorizing the use of force against Syria for up to 90 days — but with no “boots on the ground.” …

As drafted, the language worked out between Menendez and ranking member Bob Corker, R-Tenn., would authorize the use of force for 60 days, with provisions making it possible that the authorization would be extended for 30 days after that, according to Senate sources.

Via TPM, here’s the draft coming to members of the Foreign Relations Committee:

Senate Foreign Relations Committee – Syria AUMF

The bar on ground troops isn’t quite as explicit as some would like, though:

Over the last two days, Corker had been insisting on a 30-day deadline for Obama to order any military action against Syria, but Democrats objected to that requirement.

The Tennessee Republican had also sought a flat-out prohibition on the insertion of any American ground forces into Syria.

But Democrats insisted that Obama should be allowed to do so under limited circumstances, such as special-forces operations or to secure stocks of chemical weapons. Corker aides noted the bill includes a prohibition on using American ground forces for “combat operations,” although it is silent on using troops in emergency situations.

What qualifies as an “emergency”? This will likely be a sticking point for the resolution, but it’s a broader problem than just semantics. So far, advocates for a military strike seem very confident that Syria and its allies won’t respond to a blatant act of war. What happens if Syria starts firing anti-ship missiles at our fleet in the Mediterranean? What happens if Assad sends a division over the Golan Heights, or Hezbollah invades Israel from Lebanon in retaliation?

We might need to put boots on the ground in a hurry in those cases — and that’s where the folly of limited authorizations are exposed. If Syria responds by attacking the US or our allies, President Obama will have full latitude in sending ground troops under the War Powers Act, at least for 9o days. He could attack Syria, Iran, and invade western Iraq all over again if he determined that any or all of that was necessary to respond to an attack, which itself was a response to American attacks authorized by Congress in a manner that Capitol Hill thought would be “limited.” Any attack we launch that is significant enough to damage the Assad regime is very likely to provoke this outcome.

Meanwhile, the House hasn’t settled on specific language yet — they’re still out of town — but a few proposals seem to line up roughly with what the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is contemplating:

A pair of House Democrats and a senior House Republican on the Intelligence Committee have released new draft resolutions dealing with President Barack Obama’s authority to attack Syria, illustrating the resistance to the White House’s initial proposal. …

Nunes proposal could be attractive to House Republicans, many of whom are solidly against attacking Bashar Assad’s regime in Syria. A draft copy of his bill, provided to POLITICO, requires Obama to come to Congress within 60 days to provide information in nine areas to justify the use of force.

The bill would require an explanation of attempts to build a coalition; a “detailed plan for military action in Syria, including specific goals and military objectives;” what would qualify as degrading the chemical weapons supply; an explanation how a limited military strike would encourage regime change, prevent terrorists from taking control of power or weapons, secure the chemical weapons and deter their future use; how a strike would prevent Iran and Russia from keeping Assad in power; information about Al Qaeda’s access to weapons; an explanation of whether weapons from Libya are being used by the Syrian opposition and an estimation of the cost.

In contrast, Van Hollen and Connolly are supportive of strikes against Syria, but they think Obama’s language ““could open the door to large scale military involvement in Syria and the region.”

“We will not support that resolution,” the pair write in a letter to their colleagues.

Their resolution prohibits ground forces in Syria, limits attacks to 60 days and prohibits Obama from attacking again, unless Obama says that Assad’s regime uses chemical weapons again. The resolution also says Obama can only attack Syria with the goal of preventing use of chemical weapons, not to prevent the stockpiling of them.

In the end, the House will probably just debate whatever comes out of the Senate, since the language there is as close to the kind of limitations that have a prayer of passage in either chamber. That will also make it easier for Congress to kick the whole mess back to Obama rather than spend a lot of time owning the policy, assuming of course it passes at all — which is not going to be easy. But Congress had better be prepared to see its limiting language become moot very quickly, and be prepared for a much bigger war as a consequence of this policy.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chemicalweapons; syria; wmd

1 posted on 09/04/2013 6:33:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Senate says Obama can play ObamaWar for 60 Days, maybe 90, but that's it!

Geeezzzzz

2 posted on 09/04/2013 6:35:32 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: SeekAndFind

No matter how it is written, it is an authorization
to transfer MORE WEAPONS to al Qaeda in order
to help al Qaeda murder Christians in Syria,
Jews in Israel, and finally all non-Moslem Americans.

Since Congress AND THEIR FAMILIES are protected
(and usually avoid military service)
unlike ALL other Americans,
any payoff, kickback, or brothel pass, will work, as before.


3 posted on 09/04/2013 6:38:56 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: TexasCajun
The dumbest of all possible scenarios. Congress either authorizes military action or they don't. They cannot micromanage the particular form and timing of military action when they do.

Someone remind me of what particular U.S. interest is at stake here? It can't be BO's credibility, as some have suggested, for he has none.

4 posted on 09/04/2013 6:40:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

A win...win for obama, a lose...lose for the American people again, thanks to the RINO’s, the enemy within, the enemy within! (intended)


5 posted on 09/04/2013 6:41:26 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SeekAndFind

What the HELL are these idiots doing... do they have no idea they are igniting WWIII... do they not know Syria, Russia and Iran, Hamas and Al Qaeda have been planning for this day for a long time. Obama will get ships sunk, people killed and leave anarchy in his wake, not to mention a terrorist’s heyday on US soil.


6 posted on 09/04/2013 6:45:07 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay I’m totally against getting involved with Syria but if we are going to do it then let’s do it right. No limitations. Hamstringing yourself before the first play is run is just downright stupid.


7 posted on 09/04/2013 6:46:38 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh goody.

Not a declaration of war. An authorization to use force. Complete with time limits and where force can be applied. And no clear goal. This is Obama’s Vietnam.

This will actually FORCE the internal civil war to move to neighboring countries, where the combatants will wait out the time period to expire. Meanwhile, the neighboring countries will defend themselves against the new invaders.

The article discusses how Israel might become involved, but it doesn’t discuss how the US will respond to an attack from Russia.


8 posted on 09/04/2013 6:46:45 AM PDT by kidd (No blood for ego)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everybody called their congressman by now, right?

Time to call ‘em again?


9 posted on 09/04/2013 6:49:39 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: dps.inspect

It will happen again, in the future:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2016:13-16&version=KJV

Revelation 16:13-16

King James Version (KJV)

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


10 posted on 09/04/2013 6:50:59 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SeekAndFind

This sounds like a parent’s rules governing a teenager’s use of the family car: “You can drive it, but only to the store and back. No picking up friends and no cruising.”


11 posted on 09/04/2013 6:52:25 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: SeekAndFind

60 days with an option for 90?

Sounds more like the Congress and the POTUS are negotiating the terms of buying a new dishwasher.


12 posted on 09/04/2013 6:54:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: dps.inspect

Congress dictating terms of engagement is disaster waiting to happen. I expect Iran will try to sink oil tankers in the Strait, blocking it off. Israel will be dragged into it quickly after being attacked, perhaps attacks on Saudi oil infrastructures, the list is endless. AQ will accelerate terror plans in the works, and the lone nutcase attacks are always a possibility. This is like pouring gas on a hornets nest and setting it ablaze.


13 posted on 09/04/2013 6:55:32 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Vigilanteman

What happened to Bozos 3 day deal last week. Wants to see more flagged draped caskets. O is a jerk face.


14 posted on 09/04/2013 7:00:48 AM PDT by Pit1 (Obama is the big pile in the road.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The FEDRES and our crooked politicians who had their ‘money’ in the form of GOLD BARS in Libya, which Ghaddafi had shipped out before we Shoved him into the street to be butt-raped and murdered, want their DAMN GOLD back, and nothing will stop them.

They thought it went to Egypt, so they went after The Egyptian President. Then, after not finding it, they traced it to Syria.

That is what this is all about. It is always about the MONEY. This money is in the form of REAL GOLD BARS, not the tungsten filled crap the Chinese flooded the market with.

England, France, Germany, etc (US allies) are all in this together as they are all ‘funded’ by the consortium of International Bankers. Some of our allies are backing out because they think Obama is trying to do this the wrong way, and instead of recovering the GOLD, will be starting an unstoppable war.

And they are right. Russia is laughing because they have the upper hand, and it’s not THEIR GOLD that is on the table.

They know if the FEDRES bankers don’t get it back, our economy will collapse.

We laughed as Soviet Russia collapsed financially. He who laughs last, laughs best.


15 posted on 09/04/2013 7:02:22 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Vigilanteman

What is at stake is the midterm elections. The Dems want to drag the Repubs into this mess.

Pray for America to Wake Up


16 posted on 09/04/2013 7:02:42 AM PDT by bray (Coming soon: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: Vigilanteman
They cannot micromanage the particular form and timing of military action when they do.

When Obama shifted the responsibility to Congress, he opened the door for micromanagement. And Obama claims that he doesn't need Congressional approval or authorization to take action against Syria.

The War Powers Act already sets time limits on the President's use of force.

17 posted on 09/04/2013 7:02:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

What part of “NO” is so hard for these idiots to understand?


18 posted on 09/04/2013 7:03:26 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Vigilanteman
The dumbest of all possible scenarios.

Completely agree. You cannot have the Committee of 535 morons micromanaging military action. It's bad enough when the bozos in the White House do it. Congress can authorize military action, but they can't start to regulate it like it's health care or gun control. That would be a disaster. In this case, they just need to say no.

19 posted on 09/04/2013 7:14:39 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: kabar
Theoretically, yes. As a practical matter, no. Short of a defunding resolution (as congress did in 1975 for Viet Nam) or, even less likely, impeachment, congress has no way of micromanaging what goes on in the battlefield.

Given congressional unwillingness to defund Obamacare, just how likely do you think they can put toothpaste back in the tube once a military action is authorized?

20 posted on 09/04/2013 7:16:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gretchen on F&F read a piece of the Senate resolution which called for the US to get involved in the civil war and find a resolution to it(or words to that effect)- this must not pass!!


21 posted on 09/04/2013 7:26:06 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

22 posted on 09/04/2013 7:32:13 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure takes the ruling elite (both parties) a hell of a lot of words to craft enough loop holes to do what they damned well please.

Thank you, all you enemies within congress, for helping the worse KNOWN rag head faction to rise to the top.

I sure Al-Qaeda will be our friend after the dust settles. They will be a better friend than Great Britain in the Prophet Obunghole’s mind.

And I did not think it possible to think less of congress or our pResident.


23 posted on 09/04/2013 7:41:03 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: TexasCajun
Senate says Obama can play ObamaWar for 60 Days, maybe 90, but that's it!

Yes, but Obama gets a free upgrade to Global Thermonuclear War®.

24 posted on 09/04/2013 7:49:58 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dennis Miller: “We are the only country in the world that sends out save-the-date attack cards.”


25 posted on 09/04/2013 7:56:37 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: SeekAndFind

Ground troops can be the US Congress lead by OBayMe and his gutless wonders.


26 posted on 09/04/2013 8:05:27 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Pit1

You’re right. This began as a 2-3 day “limited” attack using cruise missiles to target Assad’s chemical weapons facilities and command/control centers, and now they’re talking about 60 to 90 days?!


27 posted on 09/04/2013 8:18:51 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Deo volente; Pit1
From the Washington Post

President Obama is weighing a military strike against Syria that would be of limited scope and duration, designed to serve as punishment for Syria’s use of chemical weapons and as a deterrent, while keeping the United States out of deeper involvement in that country’s civil war, according to senior administration officials.

The timing of such an attack, which would probably last no more than two days and involve sea-launched cruise missiles — or, possibly, long-range bombers — striking military targets not directly related to Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal, would be dependent on three factors: completion of an intelligence report assessing Syrian government culpability in last week’s alleged chemical attack; ongoing consultation with allies and Congress; and determination of a justification under international law.
28 posted on 09/04/2013 9:05:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No one has considered that Syria’s Air Defense systems were supplied by Russia, and probably manned by Russians. What will happen when we start killing Russians??


29 posted on 09/04/2013 9:23:28 AM PDT by simka
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To: simka

And manned with P-800’s missiles. Crap is about to hit the WH fan.


30 posted on 09/04/2013 9:27:06 AM PDT by Pit1 (Obama is the big pile in the road.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What?
No proof that Assad is the guilty party.
MB admitted that they fumbled the ordnance.
Satan gets his war.


31 posted on 09/04/2013 11:25:50 AM PDT by SisterK (RIP America)
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To: UCANSEE2

Don’t know that it is actually gold bars at stake....Perhaps empty US petro dollars on the line. Regardless, you are correct: follow the money.


32 posted on 09/04/2013 11:31:43 AM PDT by SisterK (RIP America)
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To: Pit1
And manned with P-800’s missiles. Crap is about to hit the WH fan.

I have an old article from a 1981 issue of Elementary Electronics about electronic warfare and it discussed the 1973 Yom Kippur War where the Israelis had trouble against the SA-6's and SA-8's back then. I'm sure they are still there as well as many pointed out, they are also among more updated SAM's too.
33 posted on 09/04/2013 1:20:51 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: TexasCajun

War on, war off.

What do these guys think this is some kind of game?

It’s like international tiddlywinks with a little death and mayhem tossed in for grins and giggles. They’re treating war like some kind of shambles you open and close at will.


34 posted on 09/04/2013 7:22:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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