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RANKED: The Most Corrupt States
Business Insider ^ | 09/04/2013 | Rob Wile

Posted on 09/04/2013 6:47:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This weekend, the New York Times' Nick Madigan called Florida a "hothouse of corruption," reporting the Sunshine State saw the greatest number of people convicted of public corruption between 2000 and 2010.

That's technically true. But it's not the full story.

To get a true sense of the most corrupt state, we need to know how many convictions there have been on a population basis.

So we went back to Justice Department data cited by Madigan, to see which states saw the greatest number of convictions per 100,000 (Madigan actually appears to cite slightly outdated data; the latest covers the period between 2002 and 2011).

No. 1?

Louisiana, with nearly 9 convictions per 100,000 people.

The Dakotas are runners up. 

The states with the fewest conviction rates were South Carolina, Oregon, Washington, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Utah, each with no more than 1.3 convictions per 100,000. 

And Florida? Only the 20th-most corrupt, with 3.28 convictions per 100,000 — basically, just a bit above average.

Here's the full chart:

most corrupt states

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: corrupt; corruption; crimerate; cultureofcorruption; states; top10
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1 posted on 09/04/2013 6:47:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupid metric. I could make a case that more convictions implies less corruption, because crooks are actually punished.


2 posted on 09/04/2013 6:49:25 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the corruption extends to the DAs and the police, the arrest numbers are worthless.


3 posted on 09/04/2013 6:49:47 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: SeekAndFind

This data assumes that convictions is an accurate basis for measurement. Truly corrupt states will not convict their own.


4 posted on 09/04/2013 6:49:58 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SeekAndFind
With a population of 650,000, it doesn't take many bad apples according to this to label my state of North Dakota "corrupt".

With a legislature that meets every-other-year and relatively light regulation in the state, I guess that's corruption I can live with.

5 posted on 09/04/2013 6:51:42 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: SeekAndFind

If you look what happened in the cases of Terry McCauliffe, Charles Rangel and Jon Corzine, just to name a few, you might want to reconsider using a conviction as the key for saying which are the most corrupt. Whether they bribed or used political connections to get off the hook, only Rangel was convicted, if you will, and that involved nothing more than a slap on the wrist. He is still out there trying to be a civil rights “moral compass”, for goodness sakes! Like Al Sharpton, the media still go to him to get quotes on the struggle against the “Man”, when for all practical matters, Rangel the landlord is the Man.

In fact, you could argue that the more convictions obtained, the greater the anti-corruption forces are in that state.


6 posted on 09/04/2013 6:52:58 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess this depends on who you leave out. If Illegal aliens were convicted and counted the states boarding the south would be highest. Colorado would be much higher if political violations were counted.


7 posted on 09/04/2013 6:53:22 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Absurd. If pinkie is not at the top, there’s no use to this.


8 posted on 09/04/2013 6:54:35 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Ack. Illinois, not pinkie!


9 posted on 09/04/2013 6:55:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SeekAndFind

My first thought was Hawaii, but I’ll go with Louisiana. Any state with a considerable population on “Indian” land should be next.


10 posted on 09/04/2013 6:56:16 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Mamzelle

RE: Absurd. If pinkie is not at the top, there’s no use to this.

Who or what on earth is pinkie?


11 posted on 09/04/2013 6:57:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
...convictions...

Bad metric. In a truly corrupt state, there aren't any convictions for corruption. It's part of the normal way of doing business.

12 posted on 09/04/2013 6:58:41 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having written Harry Reid’s only biography, I guarantee Nevada has it’s share of corruption hidden in plain view.

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php


13 posted on 09/04/2013 6:59:20 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: SeekAndFind
Who or what on earth is pinkie?

A friend of Thumbkin. All you have to do is ask where he is and he'll tell you.

14 posted on 09/04/2013 7:01:23 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: SeekAndFind

I would think that the states with the highest conviction rates were the least corrupt..............


15 posted on 09/04/2013 7:01:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Thane_Banquo
I could make a case that more convictions implies less corruption, because crooks are actually punished.

Then Illinois should be the cleanest state in the country, as we have our last two governors (G. Ryan and Blago) serving time in the pokey, one from each party.
16 posted on 09/04/2013 7:02:06 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Arrests just mean the crooks pay a consequence for their actions and that there are people in government who work to prevent corruption.

A better measure of corruption would be total State government spending divided by total private sector jobs or total private sector payroll.

Unnecessary government spending ends up in the hands of bad people. Follow the money.


17 posted on 09/04/2013 7:02:08 AM PDT by detective
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To: SeekAndFind

I also disagree with the “per-capita” notion. New Hampshire has an enormous legislature and a tiny population. California has an enormous population, and a fairly small legislature. One bad legislator in New Hampshire, by this metric, would make NH look as bad as if half of California’s legislature went to prison.


18 posted on 09/04/2013 7:02:37 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess the state is less corrupt if no one knows about the corruption. Which is usually the case.


19 posted on 09/04/2013 7:03:26 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Precisely. In New York, for instance, they don't convict them, they promote them.

I had strong ties to North Dakota, 1964-1988. The tolerance for corruption was very low. The courts were not congested. People actually like to get jury duty. I was called twice, excused twice and paid $50 each time.

Here in Pennsylvania, jury duty will barely cover your parking fee and a granola bar for lunch.

20 posted on 09/04/2013 7:04:48 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Illinois: The only state where your license plate is made by a former governor.


21 posted on 09/04/2013 7:07:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Illinois wins, hands down.


22 posted on 09/04/2013 7:09:22 AM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: SeekAndFind

Most of the corruption is institutionalized and legalized so arrests are not a realistic measure of anything. The only thing that may be a realistic quantification would be “percentage of the total cost of operating a business / living in a state resulting from government.”

If you have a fixed base percentage for services such as roads, police, fire, parks, etc then anything above that should by definition be corruption.


23 posted on 09/04/2013 7:10:33 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: SeekAndFind

North Carolina should be in the top three. Our new governor McCrory is making huge strides in shutting down the “good ol’ boy” network that’s flim-flammed the citizenry for 80-100 years.


24 posted on 09/04/2013 7:14:29 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: ShadowAce
Truly corrupt states will not convict their own.

Democrat states will not convict their own.

25 posted on 09/04/2013 7:21:44 AM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: SeekAndFind

If DC were a state...


26 posted on 09/04/2013 7:23:34 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Liberty Wins

I stand by what I said. Corruption is corruption, no matter the party.


27 posted on 09/04/2013 7:24:23 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: KEVLAR
Only because Cook County/Chicago are so much bigger than Lackawanna County/Scranton. Do you have anything even approaching the kids for cash scandal which broke here a couple of years ago?

Lackawanna County is so corrupt that big Democrat donors were overbuilding juvenile detention facilities and billing the county over $300 per day per kid incarcerated. The judges in on the scheme were sending the kids to lock-up for penny ante charges like skipping school or public smoking. Incidentally, this is the home of our idiot senior U.S. Senator Bob Casey, Jr. (Lackawanna County, not the lock-up).

28 posted on 09/04/2013 7:31:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Silly metric - if you’ve got corruption down to an art form (and that would be us in Illinois), the only basis for conviction is hubris to the point of no hope of escape (Blagojevich and JJ Junior) or political revenge (Ryan).

In Illinois if the corrupt don’t rock the system they ease into a comfortable retirement or move onto higher office - hell, if you play your cards right, you can get the better part of a Kenwood mansion from a known slimeball like Tony Rezko, and just use that as a convenient stepping-stone to even nicer digs on Pennsylvania Avenue.


29 posted on 09/04/2013 7:34:31 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: SeekAndFind

Illinois #16? B.S.


30 posted on 09/04/2013 7:39:48 AM PDT by matthew fuller
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To: SeekAndFind

I would like to see these broke down by party. Mississippi has 4 CDs, 3 held by Rs, one by a D. This would be helpful but still skewed. I’ve read that 25% or 4 in 100 Americans are psychopaths to some degree, I believe that among elected officials the numbers are much higher because of their skills and lack of a conscience. Those with this defect are more likely to run as a member of the party that is stronger in a particular district and a psychopath would be at ease adopting an agenda that would help him obtain his goals, usually of wealth and power. I do believe a higher % of Ds are psychopath but the Rs have theirs as well.


31 posted on 09/04/2013 7:44:01 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: muir_redwoods
If the corruption extends to the DAs and the police, the arrest numbers are worthless.

Yup.

And why, even if every corrupt official were caught, would working out corruption per capita even a sensible thing to do? An absolute monarchy in which the only government official with any power -- the king -- habitually takes bribes while ruling over a million people is arguably much more corrupt than a tiny city-state republic with 100,000 inhabitants, and 1000 officers of state with actual power 30 of whom can be suborned with bribes, but the per capita corruption rate in the first is .1 per 100,000, while in the latter is 30 per 100,000.

32 posted on 09/04/2013 7:45:16 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: duffee

Psychopaths should read SOCIOPATHS


33 posted on 09/04/2013 7:45:16 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pinkie is the name of the spell check.


34 posted on 09/04/2013 7:47:26 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: from occupied ga

Kalifornia’s so low because it’s a Catch and Release state due to prison overcrowding.


35 posted on 09/04/2013 7:56:15 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: SeekAndFind

Prison, where Illinois governors go to retire.


36 posted on 09/04/2013 8:09:41 AM PDT by Dick Cinnamon
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To: SeekAndFind

This is idiotic. New York is the most corrupt state. Period. California is next. Illinois is next. Massachusetts in next. Louisiana is next. It’s all a matter of common sense.


37 posted on 09/04/2013 8:12:05 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Thane_Banquo
there's lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.....

of course, we don't teach people to think critically, so this graphic will just be accepted as a truism...

38 posted on 09/04/2013 8:12:36 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Thane_Banquo

“Stupid metric.”

Yep. I don’t know why people think that stats and other analysis tools can be wielded effectively and correctly by just about anyone...

Just one more instance of the dumbing down of the populace.


39 posted on 09/04/2013 8:13:13 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: Thane_Banquo
Stupid metric. I could make a case that more convictions implies less corruption, because crooks are actually punished.

Agreed.
I could simply turn this chart upside-down and proclaim that it ranks law enforcement corruption from most to least corrupt.

40 posted on 09/04/2013 8:27:34 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind

California. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


41 posted on 09/04/2013 8:32:56 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: Thane_Banquo

Yes, a lot of corrupt politicians are never charged.

I used to live in Massachusetts where almost no politician is convicted of anything in a state court. Three Speakers of the House in succession were convicted in federal court however.

The same appears to be true in Illinois except there it has been three governors in a row. None convicted in state courts. All convicted in federal courts.

I would argue that the top five most politically corrupt states includes Massachusetts and Illinois.


42 posted on 09/04/2013 9:16:57 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I live in Louisiana and the state and the federal government have been hard at it the last decade or so going after corrupt officials. Jim Letten was so effective even the Obama administration did not release him. Mary Landrieu(D) even wrote to Obama asking the Justice Department to keep Letten on. Letten put away a lot of crooked politicians.


43 posted on 09/04/2013 9:33:46 AM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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Flip this stat and you are about there. Measuring corruption by the number of convictions is like measuring the number of cockroaches in a house using a camera at noon.

A LACK of convictions tells me nobody is willing to take anyone to court.

Washington State is as corrupt as they come. The environmentalists are buying up land after bullying people off of it first. The Forest and Fish law calls for a 250 foot setback from all water’s edges. Confiscation on a massive scale. County and State colludes to scam landowners all the time here.

Assessments? Every year things flip - your house goes down in value, but your land value goes up, then the next year the house drops in value, but the land goes up.

The corruption is INSTITUTIONAL. All elections are fixed D+5%, which means if you are an R, you have to win by AT LEAST 6% for the election to go to a recount.

I would no sooner do business in WA state than sell my kids into slavery. I’ve instructed them all to run, not walk, away from this state once they are 18.

Great place to backpack and kayak. Lousy place to live. Meanest people in the US outside of New Jersey.


44 posted on 09/04/2013 9:43:48 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: SeekAndFind

By my measurement, this make LA the least corrupt, since they actually prosecute corrupt officials.


45 posted on 09/04/2013 4:47:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Exactly.


46 posted on 09/04/2013 4:50:36 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: SeekAndFind

Maine is one of those legally corrupt states. Run by plutocrats from out of state with trust funds and family monies, most of the state is owned by leftist trust babies. For Pete’s sake the largest paper is owned by a leftist’s boyfriend/husband chellie pingree. Her daughter is now working herself up the power ladder to grace our fair state with more totalitarian regulation.


47 posted on 09/04/2013 4:50:38 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

....clearly uninformed... look at California’s ranking....


48 posted on 09/04/2013 4:52:33 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: Right Brother

LOL!


49 posted on 09/04/2013 4:53:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dangus
I also disagree with the “per-capita” notion. New Hampshire has an enormous legislature and a tiny population. California has an enormous population, and a fairly small legislature. One bad legislator in New Hampshire, by this metric, would make NH look as bad as if half of California’s legislature went to prison.

It does seem a strange way to measure, but NH is near the bottom of the list for corruption.

My two cents: Those states near the bottom are probably accurately among the least corrupt, but at the top and in the middle a lot depends on enforcement.

I suspect maybe the political culture in "less corrupt" MN and neighboring "more corrupt" ND and SD isn't that different, but a few bad apples get caught by good enforcement an,d because of their low population, the bad apples make the Dakotas look more corrupt than they really are.

50 posted on 09/04/2013 5:00:01 PM PDT by x
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