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U.S. Senate panel passes authorization for use of military force in Syria by 10-7 vote
Reuters ^ | September 4, 2013

Posted on 09/04/2013 12:30:22 PM PDT by maggief

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To: maggief

McCain’s just dying to get us into another war. We were told that the goal here is not regime change. That’s a lie. The goal is to weaken and degrade Assad’s military to the point where he gets thrown out. The CIA already trains Syrian rebels. This is just what we used to call an “escalation”.


101 posted on 09/04/2013 3:56:41 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: DemforBush

One Democrat voted “Present”, which is somewhat ironic.


102 posted on 09/04/2013 3:57:30 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: maggief

What Corker says is a misrepresentation.


103 posted on 09/04/2013 4:00:05 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: thouworm

Will is correct, but it has ceased to be a laughing matter, unless the laughing is rueful.


104 posted on 09/04/2013 4:03:18 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: thouworm
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee was kabuki theatre at its best. They knew how this would play out, good buddies John & John. McCain would threaten to pull his vote unless his amendments were approved. Where did Coons backing suddenly come from? What sweet deal was he offered?

Predictably, McCain/(Coons) amendments were adopted ... by voice vote. No member would go on record.

105 posted on 09/04/2013 4:09:55 PM PDT by maggief
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To: popdonnelly

“What Corker says is a misrepresentation.”

Care to elaborate? BS, yes, but misrepresentation?

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/9/4/258427/Corker-Says-Committee-Action-Supports.aspx

Corker Says Committee Action Supports Limited, But Appropriate Action Against Syria
Wednesday, September 04, 2013

(snip)

“None of us want the U.S. mired down in another conflict, so the committee has significantly limited the president’s original authorization, while still providing for an appropriate use of force in response to Assad’s use of chemical weapons. It prevents boots on the ground, limits the duration of any military action, and requires a progress report on the administration’s overall Syria policy.

“As we now move to the full Senate, the American people deserve a full and open debate about U.S. interests in Syria.”


106 posted on 09/04/2013 4:15:28 PM PDT by maggief
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To: popdonnelly

I didn’t see a laughing part. The only people I see laughing are the repositioned hacks who were re-summonsed to the WH to advise Obama. Axelrod sneered for them all: “Congress is the dog that just caught the car.”


107 posted on 09/04/2013 4:16:25 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: clintonh8r
So, which RINOs voted “aye”?

The rest of them on the committee.

108 posted on 09/04/2013 4:20:50 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: DemforBush

Whoooo! For once my idiot in DC, Chris Murphy (Socialist-CT) actually voted like a sane person.


109 posted on 09/04/2013 4:21:26 PM PDT by matt04
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To: maggief

we already have our CIA in there and now they are considering giving the training of the “rebels’ to the Pentagon—special ops...just read it in WSJ...HUH?
don’t special ops wear “boots”?


110 posted on 09/04/2013 4:40:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: maggief

Hope those who support this have to send sons and daughters.

No more need said.


111 posted on 09/04/2013 4:59:20 PM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: rcrngroup

Really? Thanks!


112 posted on 09/04/2013 5:24:03 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: maggief; Fred Nerks
"Where did Coons backing suddenly come from? What sweet deal was he offered?"

"by voice vote. No member would go on record. "
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Good points!

To emphasize a point I made in my post. Remember Cairo speech? So arrogant, few realized the breadth of arrogance, nor Obama's true intentions.

Obama's secret ME policy lies in ruins --- Benghazi/Libya, Egypt, now Cameron's Syria "defection"---surprises all out of his control, maddeningly out of his control.

Congress "leaders" will do what they will do, but behind the scenes, Obama is in a purple rage. Dumped his rage on Congress (brilliant! took the page from Cameron's and his humiliating defeat and sent it to Congress---and like Cameron, Obama reserves the right to ignore Congress (like Cameron DIDN'T); then he dumped on Cameron and UK; UN blocked him; NATO blocked him; now he his dumping on the "world" --- "it's not my red line; it's YOUR red line."

The Obama psyche is on tilt.

Kerry reduced to this statement of squalor:

Kerry: Arab Countries Offered to Pay for Invasion

Poignant and cogent comments on this thread. Many posts asking, Does that reduce the US military to a mercenary or a whore?

113 posted on 09/04/2013 5:29:02 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: thouworm

Another great, dot-connecting post, thouworm.

/bookmark


114 posted on 09/04/2013 5:38:25 PM PDT by maggief
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To: thouworm; cripplecreek
Poignant and cogent comments on this thread. Many posts asking, Does that reduce the US military to a mercenary or a whore?

PIMPING THE US MILITARY

h/t cripplecreek for the graphic

115 posted on 09/04/2013 5:41:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: IamConservative

Therefore when you see the OBAMAnation of desolation...

The beginning of the great tribulation?


116 posted on 09/04/2013 5:48:01 PM PDT by SisterK (we are toast)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; Travis McGee

“we already have our CIA in there and now they are considering giving the training of the “rebels’ to the Pentagon—special ops...just read it in WSJ...HUH?
don’t special ops wear “boots”?”
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“don’t special ops wear “boots”?”

You are making too much practical sense. The slippery eels don’t count special ops as “American troops.”

I posted before (but haven’t been able to find the link for substantiation) that there is a plan on the drawing board to send special ops into Syria to “secure the chemical weapons.”

Insane madness [redundancy intended], but ask yourself, How will it be possible to secure chem weapons without “boots on the ground.” Kerry/Obama adm fudge by saying we will take out Assad’s chem delivery system. Absurd. Even the rebels have a delivery system. We are being punked on this point.

I am a military strategy/tactics illiterate, but I heard an interview with a military expert. He said that without a serious force on the ground that there is no way possible with the weapons we have in the theatre that we can take out chem weapons without gassing the public. At the very least , such a feat, he said, would require bombs of such a high degree of heat not deliverable by Tomahawk. (I think that is what he said).

I will try to find that link to the interview also.

I am such an illiterate on these matters, I wouldn’t even comment EXCEPT for my outrage at the extend to which we are being lied to and flimflammed.

Re: Syria, the Obama adm has at least 3 shell-games going on simultaneously, and you put your hand on one of them
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Travis: Pinging you to point out my military ignorance while I look for my sources.
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117 posted on 09/04/2013 6:37:58 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: maggief

We shall see if Putin has the gonads to back up his rhetoric. Syria their favourite Arab country and proxy in the Middle East. I bet Putin sticks tail between his legs and runs. Too bad he’s going to allow the community organizer to kick his arse.


118 posted on 09/04/2013 7:05:10 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Lent
Putin said U.S. congressional approval without a U.N. Security Council resolution would be an act of aggression, and accused U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry of lying by playing down the role of the militant group al Qaeda with rebel forces.

SOURCE

119 posted on 09/04/2013 7:39:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Lent

I think we know where all the lying coward Aholes are, and it’s not in Russia!


120 posted on 09/04/2013 7:42:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: thouworm

Revealed: Pentagon knew in 2012 that it would take 75,000 GROUND TROOPS to secure Syria’s chemical weapons facilities
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411885/Revealed-Pentagon-knew-2012-75-000-GROUND-TROOPS-secure-Syrias-chemical-weapons-facilities.html


121 posted on 09/04/2013 8:10:17 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: Fred Nerks

” playing down the role of the militant group al Qaeda with rebel forces. “

see post 117: “Re: Syria, the Obama adm has at least 3 shell-games going on simultaneously, and you put your hand on one of them.”

FN, you just pointed out one of the other shell games. Both Kerry and McCain don’t ever open their mouths to talk about Syria without pretending/lying that there is a moderate, secular rebel force that has any prayer of forging a secular government to replace Assad. At best if Assad falls, there will be another civil war

The third shell game is that this will be a “limited strike.” Once Congress votes on it, Obama will take carte blanche and beat Congress into submission.

Why I call them shell games is because the Obama adm and the designated rinos have been deliberately conflating these 3 separate issues with purpose to deceive.


122 posted on 09/04/2013 9:05:38 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: thouworm
War is deception, mohammad said. It's the mohammadan rule book they are following. Unless you understand the mind of mohammad, the most perfect man who ever lived and who every muslim has to emulate, you/we will never follow what is going on. The koranimals are playing to the tune of the stinking koran. Accuse others of what you yourself are doing. Works every time. And your idiot congress is following zero like rats after the Pied Piper of Hamelin.


123 posted on 09/04/2013 9:48:19 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: maggief
this is just another case of kill the leader and take his money

I am ashamed of this criminal enterpise of a government we have using our military as their gangster hit men

124 posted on 09/04/2013 10:40:36 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: thouworm

Malcolm X in Cairo at the al-Azhar Mosque in 1964, Obama at the al-Azhar Mosque in 2009 where he made his first overseas speech.

reposted

And an excerpt from the speech you posted on that thread -

...As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam -- at places like Al-Azhar -- that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities -- (applause) -- it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.)

BARF!

125 posted on 09/04/2013 10:47:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
I dont care if the murdering theif thug is the president of the US or some punk breaking into my car in the driveway, I dont like thieves

I dont like the US Government as it is today, it is a government of Trayvonlike characters, I hate to think that payback will come someday and wipe out the USA , the innocent and the guilty will suffer.

the second amendment was designed to deal with times like these, but our bellies and tanks are full so we will just flip channels and go to work each day

126 posted on 09/04/2013 10:54:29 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Fred Nerks; ntnychik; potlatch
Regarding 100 above:

Like “Kristall Nacht” when Nazis smashed and vandalized Jewish stores in Germany, in 1938, Turkish mobs destroyed Greek homes, businesses and churches in a mad frenzy for nine hours on September 6, 1955.

Where is the "religion of peace"? Rather an Orwellian description. . . ."

127 posted on 09/05/2013 1:04:24 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: maggief

“my” amendment.

Goes well with Zero’s “my” military.

These narcissistic pukes have no shame.


128 posted on 09/05/2013 3:20:50 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: peeps36

>>They say republicans fight for oil but what do democrats fight for? Politics, to change the news cycle and to help their terrorist buddies.

Excellent point. Bears repeating. Thank you.


129 posted on 09/05/2013 3:25:01 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: maggief

Excellent point. Thank you for posting.

Sometimes the lesser-known legislator’s remarks get overlooked. We only hear from the camera hogs and those who fit the media/regime narrative.

Risch (who I’ve never heard of before) sounds intelligent and reasoned.

IMO, mass murder, genocide, torture (which includes the use of chemical weapons) are always bad and worthy of a response, but that response doesn’t have to be a military one. Especially when it’s one of our enemies committing atrocities against another of our enemies. Our resources are not unlimited. Personally, I’m saving ammo to defend and protect friends and family, not one thug beating on another thug.

s. Maybe we could send Jesse Jackson to frown on this behavior. /s


130 posted on 09/05/2013 3:34:40 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: workerbee

The bidding for his vote must have been interesting.

If the “No” contingent can come up with a few more bucks, he’ll switch it back again.


131 posted on 09/05/2013 3:37:25 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: maggief

What is it with all the number symbols in front of words?


132 posted on 09/05/2013 5:18:20 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: thouworm

thanks for your comments. It is hard for us “strategy/tactics illiterates” to keep up with the shell game in front and the covert ops in the background...Does anyone believe our govt anymore?

What a charade these televised “debates” are!


133 posted on 09/05/2013 5:22:22 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: maggief

Morons.


134 posted on 09/05/2013 6:12:24 AM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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135 posted on 09/05/2013 12:20:13 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: PhilDragoo; maggief

Absolutely amazing pictures Phil. I was not familiar with the Turkish mobs in 1955!


136 posted on 09/05/2013 2:47:36 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Brown Deer

The same mentally ill agendas of Obozo Liar, McAinal, Kerry the Faux Vietnam hero, and congressional rats wanting to bomb Syria could apply to 9/11!


137 posted on 09/06/2013 11:15:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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