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U.S. Senate panel passes authorization for use of military force in Syria by 10-7 vote
Reuters ^ | September 4, 2013

Posted on 09/04/2013 12:30:22 PM PDT by maggief

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To: maggief

Resolution allows boots on ground...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Senate-crafted Syria resolution riddled with loopholes for Obama

Senators on Wednesday tried to write a tight resolution authorizing President Obama to strike Syria under very specific circumstances, but analysts and lawmakers said the language still has plenty of holes the White House could use to expand military action well beyond what Congress appears to intend.

“Wiggle room? Plenty of that,” said Louis Fisher, scholar in residence at the Constitution Project and former long-time expert for the Congressional Research Service on separation of powers issues.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/4/senate-crafted-syria-resolution-riddled-loopholes-/#ixzz2dxLyTHFn
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51 posted on 09/04/2013 1:05:03 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: maggief

So in 36 hours McCain went from Yes to No to Yes?


52 posted on 09/04/2013 1:10:10 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: maggief

No one has considered that Syria’s Air Defense systems were supplied by Russia, and probably manned by Russians. What will happen when we start killing Russians??


53 posted on 09/04/2013 1:11:24 PM PDT by simka
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To: NeoCaveman
My best buddy Rufus is a poodle --- Don't insult poodles

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54 posted on 09/04/2013 1:11:48 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The Senators from AZ usually have their calls go straight to voicemail. Even when I’ve called their district offices. Cowards!


55 posted on 09/04/2013 1:12:09 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: kcvl

Kerry and McCain are liars.


56 posted on 09/04/2013 1:13:36 PM PDT by maggief
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To: ExTexasRedhead

They did, on election day. They stated loud and clear, in fact, they yelled, “We love John McCain!” But I can’t say a damned thing. I voted for Marco Rubio.


57 posted on 09/04/2013 1:13:54 PM PDT by sport
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To: workerbee
So in 36 hours McCain went from Yes to No to Yes?

And all the while playing a heck of a game of video poker.

58 posted on 09/04/2013 1:14:50 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: maggief
Voting NO on #Syria resolution: Udall (D-N.M.), Murphy, Risch, Rubio, Johnson, Barrasso, Paul

The honor roll. Even a couple of Rats voted the right way.

59 posted on 09/04/2013 1:17:05 PM PDT by Marathoner (Sarah Palin is our Esther, for such a time as this)
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To: workerbee

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted Wednesday afternoon to expand a use-of-force resolution by specifying the goal of U.S. military intervention in Syria should be to bolster the Free Syrian Army.

The successful amendment, sponsored by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a leading Senate voice on national security matters, and Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), also states the aim of U.S. strikes should be to reduce the ability of Syrian President Bashar Assad to use chemical weapons.

The committee adopted two McCain-Coons amendments by voice vote.

One states that the U.S. strategy toward Syria should aim “to degrade the capabilities of the Assad regime to use weapons of mass destruction while upgrading the lethal and non-lethal military capabilities of vetted elements of Syrian opposition forces.”

The second reiterated that it is U.S. policy that Assad’s departure from power, an end to violence, and a negotiated political settlement are prerequisites for regional peace and security.

The votes pave the way for the committee to pass Wednesday afternoon a resolution authorizing military force against Assad’s government.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/320303-amendments-pave-the-way-for-senate-panels-vote-on-syria-strikes


60 posted on 09/04/2013 1:18:27 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
But they still accuse Bush of rushing to war?

-PJ

61 posted on 09/04/2013 1:19:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: maggief
Cowards!

The committee adopted two McCain-Coons amendments by voice vote.

62 posted on 09/04/2013 1:23:47 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Time for another round of cowpie bingo in the middle east..

On a good day, it really stinks..

Weasley Clark must be itching’ to make a bombing run

From 15,000 feet, of course.


63 posted on 09/04/2013 1:26:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: maggief

Lurch has so much Botox in him you can play quarters on his face.


64 posted on 09/04/2013 1:26:47 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just in ...

John McCain @SenJohnMcCain 1m

Headed home to #Arizona tonight - town hall meetings tomorrow in #Phoenix and #Tucson on #Syria, #immigration reform and other issues


65 posted on 09/04/2013 1:27:04 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

He may want to pack Kevlar and a helmet.. And sunscreen.


66 posted on 09/04/2013 1:29:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: maggief
"Vetted elements."

The people who come up with this nonsense are truly morons of epic proportions.

67 posted on 09/04/2013 1:30:01 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: maggief

Maggief...we all know it doesn’t take Obama long to make a mess of things...90 days for him is carte blanche!


68 posted on 09/04/2013 1:31:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: kcvl

More BS ...

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram 4m

Sen Bob Corker (R-TN) says Foreign Relations Committee “has significantly limited the president’s original authorization” on #Syria


69 posted on 09/04/2013 1:33:48 PM PDT by maggief
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To: caww

McCain just threw the gasoline on the fire.


70 posted on 09/04/2013 1:36:37 PM PDT by maggief
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To: sport

The most deliberative body on earth,....my ass. Suckers all. Willfully put their head in the noose for an idiot boy president.


71 posted on 09/04/2013 1:39:32 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: maggief

Sen Bob Corker (R-TN)

Washington, D.C. office at 202-224-3344.

If you need to send documents to Senator Corker, please fax them to the D.C. office at 202-228-0566.


72 posted on 09/04/2013 1:41:00 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: maggief

McCain’s Ammendment...:

......that the U.S. ‘strategy’ toward Syria should aim “to degrade the capabilities of the Assad regime to use weapons of mass destruction while upgrading the lethal and non-lethal military capabilities of vetted elements of Syrian opposition forces.”

He needs lessons:

“Surprise”…. is to be regarded as a substantive principle in itself, on account of its moral effect..... When it is successful in a high degree, confusion and broken courage in the enemy’s ranks are the consequences; and of the degree to which these multiply a success, there are examples enough, great and small.”

In modern terms, US Joint Publication 3-0, Joint Operations, counsels commanders to seize the initiative in order to

“Shock, demoralize, and disrupt the enemy immediately.... to seize and maintain the initiative, deny the enemy the opportunity to achieve its objectives, and generate in the enemy a sense of inevitable failure and defeat.”

The US has waited so long to respond to the chemical weapons attacks that it has effectively ceded any advantages of surprise and initiative to the Assad regime. The Assad regime knows an attack is coming or is likely to come in the near future. In addition to the overall forewarning of attack, the Assad regime is likely to get detailed updates from the Russian Navy as soon as the US Navy launches a TLAM attack.


73 posted on 09/04/2013 1:41:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: maggief

Yes he threw gas on the fire...and we’re going to be supplying more arms etc....

This is a day of victory for the Jihadists......I am sick about this...sick of our Representatives. Every last one of them is a traitor to our country and our Military sons and daughters...


74 posted on 09/04/2013 1:44:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: Timber Rattler

“The people who come up with this nonsense are truly morons of epic proportions”

Was it West who said we have 80 ‘Known’ Communists in our government.....our whole government has been corrupted...and those who may have been once good men equally so...there is no resistance to stop these people....and the public is not up to stopping it.


75 posted on 09/04/2013 1:47:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: pgyanke

This Senate bill primarily seeks to save Barry’s hide by not obviously going afoul of the Constitution. He’ll negligently let his war get out of hand, nonetheless, as desired. The thought is at least he won’t be impeachable for his jumping in or letting it “go overtime”, as it surely will.

HF


76 posted on 09/04/2013 1:57:04 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: BigEdLB

Rufus is a very handsome and intelligent looking fellow.
Lucky you!


77 posted on 09/04/2013 1:57:18 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: Tennessee Nana

He’s my congressman and better put on a good show.

He faces a town hall style meeting tomorrow night.

The guy had John Boehner in a month ago for a fundraiser and called himself part of a team led by Boehner.

He always joins with the 60-80 members who vote more conservative, then has Boehner in town to fundraise????


78 posted on 09/04/2013 2:08:56 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: maggief

79 posted on 09/04/2013 2:14:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: maggief

80 posted on 09/04/2013 2:17:09 PM PDT by relentlessly
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To: Texas Songwriter

And, unfortunately, ours also.


81 posted on 09/04/2013 2:18:11 PM PDT by sport
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To: bgill

Nah. The media will see to it the Republicans, for some reason, are the ones to blame. Them and Bush.

Ears will come out of it squeaky clean.

Wanna bet $20?


82 posted on 09/04/2013 2:28:31 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (www.greenhornshooting.com)
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To: maggief

Dangerous and sick.


83 posted on 09/04/2013 2:28:56 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: maggief

Pray.
Call your Representative.
Pray.
Call your Senators.
Pray.
Call the White House.
Pray.


84 posted on 09/04/2013 2:31:05 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: maggief

You mean McCain put down the poker game long enough to vote?


85 posted on 09/04/2013 2:31:21 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: maggief

Congressional switchboard: (202) 224-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111


86 posted on 09/04/2013 2:31:55 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: simka
“What will happen when we start killing Russians??”

How many casualties do our planners estimate we will take?

None? If you take no risk you can't expect to have any gain.

What if Russians give the Syrians real time data on ship locations in the eastern Med so they can launch active ASCMs at them? What about Syrian planes attacking with anti-ship missiles from standoff distances. Don't count on this being a freebee...

87 posted on 09/04/2013 2:32:11 PM PDT by RedEyeJack
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88 posted on 09/04/2013 2:37:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: All

and are we ready for this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGuUXbS3eo


89 posted on 09/04/2013 2:50:09 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue")
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To: maggief

WOW!...under Obama the bad guys in Afghanistan are now the good guys in Syria...


90 posted on 09/04/2013 2:52:51 PM PDT by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: kcvl

But, as Kerry made clear late this afternoon, if you SAT there will be boots-on-the-ground, You are a RACISS that hates the idea of a black president, and wants children to die.


91 posted on 09/04/2013 2:53:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: maggief; penelopesire; MestaMachine; Fred Nerks; Liz; advertising guy
The language appears to address McCain's concerns about the resolution that he voiced Wednesday morning when he said he would not support the resolution as it was then written. McCain has consistently said he supports further U.S. intervention in Syria to topple Assad. The White House has repeatedly said that its goal with military intervention is not “regime change.”
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Wow! McCain put out quite the headline grabbers this morning, didn't he?

U.S. Senator McCain does not back Senate panel draft authorizing force in Syria

TIME: Rebuffing Obama, McCain a No-Vote on Syria: Courtship by the president comes up short...McCain Withholds Support on New Syria Resolution

Said on another thread: I question whether this is a blow and a rebuff to Obama. This may be more of the good cop/bad cop routine that Obama and McCain have been carrying on for weeks.
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He and Obama have been on the same page from the beginning.

Kerry/McCain doin the Lying Alinsky two-step on Obama's behalf, while Obama removes his lying self to Sweden to test how his new moderated-rage global talking-points ("I didn't set a red line, etc., etc.") will play out on the global stage.

Before we discuss where the Ship of State is heading in war with Syria and who knows else, maybe we should have a national discussion about mental illness. I'm getting the suspicion we are having a Captain Queeg moment---or two.

92 posted on 09/04/2013 3:14:36 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: maggief

...violating senate rules of 7 days notification, among other things.


93 posted on 09/04/2013 3:16:14 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: NeoCaveman

Has Kyl been writing nonstop interventionist articles for WSJ and others since he left the senate?


94 posted on 09/04/2013 3:20:29 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: thouworm

Thanks for the ping, I’m too disgusted to make a comment, but you can take it from me, your ‘boss’ would rather turn Damascus into Grozni, than have it discovered he planned this.


95 posted on 09/04/2013 3:24:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
danger ahead....

A thread just posted, George Will:

Because Syria’s convulsion has become as serious as Barack Obama has been careless in speaking about it, he is suddenly and uncharacteristically insisting that Congress participate in governance. Regarding institutional derangements, he is the infection against which he pretends to be an immunization.

Obama seeks an accomplice for Syria action

96 posted on 09/04/2013 3:32:48 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: maggief
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted Wednesday afternoon to expand a use-of-force resolution by specifying the goal of U.S. military intervention in Syria should be to bolster the Free Syrian Army.

So now we are taking sides--something Obama said we weren't doing in terms of regime change and this military action.

97 posted on 09/04/2013 3:37:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: maggief

McCain, Corker, Flake cast a vote for terrorism and Islamic extremism. This is a vote to purge Syrian of Christians. As soon as those missiles fly, al Qaeda goes into action, attacking villages and towns of Christians have are even now poorly defended. The Democrats stand exposed as hypocrites and their criminal support for terrorism can sweep the GOP to power.


98 posted on 09/04/2013 3:40:24 PM PDT by antiterrorist77
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To: thouworm
...he is the infection against which he pretends to be an immunization.
99 posted on 09/04/2013 3:41:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: antiterrorist77; thouworm

It’s their modus operandi:

SEPTEMBER 3, 1955 - Turkish Prime Minister Adnan Menderes had orchestrated a plan where a Turkish University Student was to place an explosive charge in the Turkish Consulate and birthplace of Ataturk in Greece.

The plan was to blow it up on SEPTEMBER 3, 1955.

The press would blame this attack on the Greeks to incite Muslims to violence, justifying retaliation.

Though the bomb never went off, the newspapers ran with the story anyway and the Greek neighborhoods in Istanbul were pillaged.

Like “Kristall Nacht” when Nazis smashed and vandalized Jewish stores in Germany, in 1938, Turkish mobs destroyed Greek homes, businesses and churches in a mad frenzy for nine hours on September 6, 1955.

Greek women were raped and Greek men (mostly priests) were beaten and forcibly circumcised in the streets.

Sixteen Greek Orthodox clerics were killed.

Turkish rioters destroyed over 1,000 Greek homes, 4,348 Greek-owned businesses, 110 hotels, 27 pharmacies, 23 schools, 21 factories, 3 monasteries, and 73 of the 81 Greek Orthodox Churches in the city.

The World Council of Churches estimated the damage at over 150 million dollars.

The mob chanted “Massacre the Greek traitors” and “Down with Europe.”

In one church arson attack, Father Chrysanthos Mandas, was burned alive.

Greek cemeteries were desecrated with relics of saints burned or thrown to dogs.

Journalist of the London Daily Mail, Noel Barber, wrote September 14, 1955:

“The church of Yedikule was utterly smashed, and one priest was dragged from bed, the hair torn from his head and the beard literally torn from his chin.

Another old Greek priest [Fr. Mantas] in a house belonging to the church and who was too ill to be moved was left in bed, the house was set on fire and he was burned alive.

At the church of Yenikoy, a lovely spot on the edge of the Bosporus, a priest of 75 was taken out into the street, stripped of every stitch of clothing, tied behind a car and dragged through the streets.

They tried to tear the hair of another priest, but failing that, they scalped him, as they did many others.

An eyewitness was a reporter for the London Sunday Times named Ian Fleming, who later became renown for writing the James Bond detective stories.

Ian Fleming was covering the INTERPOL (International Police) Conference in Istanbul.

Ian Fleming’s column “The Great Riot of Istanbul,” printed September 11, 1955, described “hatred ran through the streets like lava.” (Phillip Mansel, Constantinople: City of the World’s Desire, 1453-1944, Harmondworth, U.K., Penquin, 1995, p. 425).

Ian Fleming reference the Istanbul riot as as background information in his James Bond spy novel, From Russia, with Love (1957).

The riots were reported in the Illustrated London News, Time Magazine and Reader’s Digest, which described Istanbul as “a city gone mad.”

After the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom, over 100,000 Greeks departed.

The discrimination continued and in 1958, Turkish nationalist students campaigned for a boycott on all Greek businesses.

In 1964, the Turkish government deported 50,000 more Greeks.

In August of 1995, Sen. Alfonse D’Amato (NY) introduced U.S. Senate Resolution 160 calling on President Bill Clinton to proclaim September 6 as a Day of Memory for the victims of the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom. (104th Congress, U.S. House of Representatives, Library of Congress. 1995-07-08):

“Whereas, in September 1955, there existed a Greek minority population of 100,000 in Istanbul, Turkey;

Whereas, on the night of September 6-7, 1955, a pogrom against the Greek community began in Istanbul;

Whereas anti-Greek rioters attacked, pillaged, gutted and destroyed more than 2,000 Greek homes, 4,200 Greek shops and stores, 73 Greek Orthodox churches, 52 Greek schools, eight Greek cemeteries, all three major Greek newspaper plants, and dozens of Greek factories, hotels, restaurants, and warehouses in Istanbul;

Whereas 15 Greeks were killed in the pogrom or died subsequently, and 32 were seriously injured;

Whereas as many as 200 women were raped by rioters;

Whereas the United States Consul General in Istanbul reported that police stood idly by or cheered on the rioting mobs;

Whereas the State Department received confirmation of `elaborate advanced planning for widespread destruction of the property of the indigenous Greek community,’ involving careful preparations by many individuals;

Whereas American journalist Frederick Sondern, Jr., writing at the time for Readers Digest, described the events of that night as...one of the wildest eruptions of mob fury and hysteria in modern times...’;

Whereas homes of Greek officers stationed at NATO headquarters in the Turkish city of Izmir were also attacked and destroyed;

Whereas rioters attacked and burned down the Greek Consulate in Izmir and the Greek Pavilion at the Izmir International festival;

Whereas Turkish authorities failed at the time to convict a single rioter, out of thousands, for any crime committed during the pogrom;

Whereas five years later, after a military coup in Turkey, the former Prime Minister and acting Foreign Minister at the time of the pogrom were charged with, and convicted of, numerous criminal actions, including the instigation of the anti-Greek riots;

Whereas the pogrom marked the beginning of the end of the Greek community’s presence in Istanbul, numbering about 2,000 in 1995; and

Whereas September 6, 1995 will mark the 40th Anniversary of the pogrom:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that the President should—

(1) take all appropriate steps to observe and commemorate the loss of life and property, and the numerous injuries and offenses, which took place during the pogrom by proclaiming September 6, 1995 as a day of remembrance for the victims of these attacks; and

(2) urge all Americans to honor the victims of the pogrom in the appropriate manner.”

As of 2006, only 5,000 mostly elderly Greek Christians remained in Istanbul, the former city of Constantinople - ancient capital of the Christian world.


100 posted on 09/04/2013 3:44:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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