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Justice Department asks court to fix "disparate" civil service exams for minority applicants
Post Standard: Syracuse NY ^ | John O'Brien

Posted on 09/04/2013 4:52:54 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Did I read that right? Are they saying that ethnic minorities are too stupid to pass the tests?


51 posted on 09/04/2013 6:35:41 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: Diogenesis
America is becoming a nation of incompetent, stupid, vicious, amoral, and lawless evil ... and increasingly without justice.

You are exactly right, and people voted for this (whether it was really enough people, is another question. But enough to make it possible for the cheating to put this criminal over the top). What are we going to do when Hussein and Holder want to destroy civilised America? His every action lately seems to be focussed on stirring up racial tension in any way possible, and ignoring the whole slew of real problems like the economy-or taking actions which further destroy it. I can't believe Obamacare is actually hanging over our heads like a sword. The GOP is fighting its own constituents to force through amnesty, and now we have to worry if they'll betray a majority of Americans-not just Republicans, but all Americans, and namely the troops-to put us into a "military action" at the side of our enemies!!! If I wasn't a pre-tribber, I'd be even more afraid right now, and don't think I'm not having doubts which I can't help on that version of eschatology. This evil evil evil man would be tailor-made to be the antichrist, wth someone smarter and even more evil than himself (!!!) pulling the strings.
52 posted on 09/04/2013 6:39:22 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Low IQs = low test scores.

Read “The Bell Curve”

It is all there.


53 posted on 09/04/2013 6:43:29 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: svcw
So the test is in cursive?

Heh... I guess they must have an old mimeograph machine that still works.

54 posted on 09/04/2013 7:04:19 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

You cannot fix stupid, Stupid is a low IQ in the brain,


55 posted on 09/04/2013 7:07:09 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Question #1: Can you read cursive?

Question #2: Can you read printing?

Question #3: Are you a minority?

33% is a passing grade.


56 posted on 09/04/2013 7:09:12 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
ensure that minority applicants get a fair shot at jobs as Syracuse firefighters and police officers

Translation: Force hirings of UNQUALIFIED applicants based on the color of their skin, not the content of their character (or anything else).

57 posted on 09/04/2013 7:11:09 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Recompennation

Clinton’s last year in office as governor of Arkansas he hired lots and lots of blacks to work for the state so he could say the number of people on welfare decreased while he was governor. I had occasion to call a child support office in Arkansas. I couldn’t understand what the woman was saying except that I knew she insulted me. I told her she should stop talking to people in Swahili. I could still hear her screaming in Swahili as I was hanging up.


58 posted on 09/04/2013 7:16:26 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Lancey Howard

Nah, you do not have to dumb the tests down just give the dumb butt crack showing blacks one question, “Are you a niggra? YES - NO.

If they answer yes they get a 100 and move ahead to have someone fill out their hiring papers because we know they are not capable of filling out them on their own.

If they answer NO, they get a 100 also because they cannot read and we gotta “curve” the test.

I am so sick of these whining black basturds. I used to not be racist, but these people in Washington have made me hate the black race in 5 years. Hell, I raised a young black male in my house because he did not have a “home” life. He still calls me on fathers day, holidays and my birthday. His son tells people I am his grandpa. I love them like they are my own blood but I have no use for the ones that try to hold me hostage because they are black ass niggers. Same goes for the white niggers.


59 posted on 09/04/2013 7:17:35 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is nothing more than overt instutionalized racism.

Group B can’t pass the test, so change the test.


60 posted on 09/04/2013 7:18:59 PM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I guess to compensate private businesses should pass up all black applicants since whites need not apply to government jobs.


61 posted on 09/04/2013 7:21:50 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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So I guess we are now going to start reopening civil rights cases that have been closed for decades all across America just so we can get more blacks in position of power over whites.

Anything to put whitey under the thumb of blacky I guess. Regardless of how the courts have previously settled cases.


62 posted on 09/04/2013 7:27:00 PM PDT by Yellowstone Joe
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To: freedumb2003

The higher up on the food chain a FF goes, the more responsabalty they have to keep FF’s on the scene and civilians safe, in addition to minimizing property damage.

So at the next major incident, it is possible that the person in charge will not be qualified to propert assess the scene and people can easily killed or have structures suffer mouth more exte save damage.


63 posted on 09/04/2013 7:33:19 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Just dumb the tests down further. Then hand out the guns to ones that pass.


64 posted on 09/04/2013 8:20:17 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

It seems that every place I go now-a-days, all I encounter is incompetence from employers in every sector. Just what we need - those who can’t pass the tests being “placed” in positions due to the color of their skin. So what is Holder admitting here - that blacks aren’t as intelligent as other races? Makes me wonder.


65 posted on 09/04/2013 8:22:07 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Opposing the insanity of disparate impact litigation is just another area (like opposing racial preferences)where the GOP is absolutely worthless. Increasingly on contentious issues the GOP will not fight for those who actually vote for them.


66 posted on 09/04/2013 8:29:59 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: eartick

While I don’t hate them, I am sick to death of their whining too. What makes it just as bad is if you hire one and then have a legitimate reason to fire him/her, then you get your butt sued for discrimination. Maybe that’s one reason unemployment is so high in the black communities - employers are sick of the lawsuits. But, most are too dumb to realize that the NAACP isn’t their friend, and they bring most of this backlash on themselves. Yes, there was a time when slavery and discrimination were repugnant in this nation, but that day has long passed. I just don’t understand what blacks can’t do that they believe they are being held back. The race baiters keep things stirred up for the tribal mentalities.


67 posted on 09/04/2013 8:33:12 PM PDT by Catsrus
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A review by the Justice Department of entry-level exams for those jobs in Syracuse showed the exams "continue to have a statistically significant, disparate impact on African-American test-takers," the Justice Department's lawyers wrote in court papers.

Translation: If there is a statistically significant difference between the average results achieved by "African-American test-takers" and others, the test must be unfair...

68 posted on 09/04/2013 9:16:37 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Secret Agent Man
.......dumbass black cop stops you, who doesn’t know the law but makes it up how he wants, then what?!?

Funny you should ask. That somewhat mirrors the situation in the Reconstruction Era South. The reaction to the abuse of former Confederates at the hands of newly empowered and totally unqualified Negro 'lawmen' is said to have helped lead to the founding of the secret societies like the Ku Klux Klan, and The Knights of the White Camellia.

69 posted on 09/04/2013 9:42:22 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Don't miss the Blockbuster of the Summer! "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: bk1000

“So what makes the test too hard for ‘minorities’? Is he implying they are too stupid?”

MINORITY: Well, yeah you cracka’! Dis’ test is stupid. It sez’ “lift those hose” on da’ test and I lifted my b8tches’ on their feet, aight?


70 posted on 09/04/2013 9:50:38 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

It’s called the Bell Curve.

Nigeria: I Agree With Dr Watson

A few days ago, the Nobel Laureate, Dr James Watson, made a remark that is now generating worldwide uproar, especially among the blacks. He said what to me looks like a self-evident truth. He told The Sunday Times of London in an interview that in his humble opinion, black people are less intelligent than the White people. Since then, some of us cannot hear anything else but the outrage of black people who feel demeaned by what Watson has said. So many people have called the man names. To be expected, some have said he is a racist. Some even wonder how a “foolish& quot; man like Watson could have won the Nobel Prize. Even white people who, deep in their heart, agree with Watson want to be politically, correct so they condemn the man. Why are we blacks becoming so reactive, so sensitive to any remarks, no matter how well-meaning, about our failure as a race? Why are we becoming like the Jews who see every accusation as a manifestation of anti-Semitism? I do not know what constitutes intelligence. I leave that to our so-called scholars. But I do know that in terms of organising society for the benefit of the people living in it, we blacks have not shown any intelligence in that direction at all. I am so ashamed of this and sometimes feel that I ought to have belonged to another race. Nigeria my dear country is a prime example of the inferiority of the black race when compared to other races. Let somebody please tell me whether it is a manifestation of intelligence if a people cannot organise a free, fair and credible elect ion to choose who will lead them. Is it intelligence that we! cannot provide simple pipe-borne water for the people? Our public school system has virtually collapsed. Is that a sign of intelligence? Our roads are impassable. In spite of the numerous sources that nature has made available to us to tap for energy to run our industries and homes, we have no steady supply of electricity. Yet electricity is the bedrock of industrialisation. When you agree with the school of Watson, some say you are incorrect because all these failures are a result of poor leadership. Why must it be us blacks who must always suffer poor leadership? Is that not a manifestation of unintelligence? In the name of international trade, bilateral co-operation, globalisation and other subterfuges, the norm in the world today is for smart people to appropriate the wealth of other people for themselves and their countries. But more among the blacks than any other race, the practice is to steal from their own country and salt away to other people’s country. Is it intell igence that our leaders steal billions of naira and hide in other people’s country? Anywhere in the world today where you have a concentration of black people among other races, the poorest, the least educated, the least achieving, and the most violent group among those races will be the blacks. When indices of underdevelopment are given, black people and countries are sure to occupy the bottom of the ladder. If we are intelligent, why do we not carry first when statistics of development are given? Look at the African continent. South Africa is the most developed country because of the presence of whites there. This may be an uncomfortable truth for many of us but it exists nevertheless. If the whites had been driven away after independence, we would have seen a steady decline of that country. In terms of natural endowment, Africa ought to be the richest of the continents but see the mess we have made of the potential for greatness which God in his infin ite wisdom has bestowed upon us. We have proved totally inca! pable of harnessing the abundant natural resources to become great. Today, there is a renewed scramble for the wealth of Africa. China, our new “friend”, does not bother about the genocide against fellow blacks in the Sudan by the Arabs who control the affairs of that country. They say they do not want to interfere in the internal affairs of any country. All they want is the oil in Sudan to run their industries. Yet, we blacks have not seen the Chinese action as an affront to our sensitivities. Every race takes us for granted because we are so weak and so foolish, if you permit me to say it. I am really pained by our gross underachievement as a race. Instead of regarding bitter truths expressed by the likes of Watson as a wake-up call for us to engage in sober reflection, we take to the expression of woolly sentiment. For me, this type of reaction is a further evidence of our unintelligence. A man of intelligence recognises genuine criticism against him and takes ste ps to improve himself in order to prove his critics wrong. But for us blacks, our reaction is to abuse the man who expresses worries about our backwardness. Other races are deeply worried about us because we are a problem to the world. We suffer from the five Ds: disorderliness, debts, diseases, deaths and disasters. Our disorderliness affects others or else they won’t be too bothered about us. Many are afraid because our diseases could infect them. Polio has been eradicated all over the world yet it is still found in Nigeria here. When they give us money to help us eradicate it, our thieving officials will embezzle the money; the virus will spread and endanger the health of not only our people but other people as well. Out of a shared sense of humanity, some cannot bear to see how we die in thousands almost every day from clearly preventable diseases and causes. For years now, our people die extremely painful but perfectly preventable deaths from buildings whi ch collapse because they were poorly constructed. How can yo! u tell m e we are as intelligent as others when we set traps for ourselves in the name of houses and others do not do so? Some people are extremely frustrated about us. If they have a way of avoiding us, they will be too glad to do so because we are a problem. As I write this, I do so with great pains in my heart because I know that God has given intelligence in equal measure to all his children irrespective of the colour of their skin. The problem with us black people is that we have refused to use our intelligence to organise ourselves socially and politically. It should worry us that we do not invent things. We do not go to the moon. Our societies are not well-organised. We have the shortest lifespan of all the races. Something must be wrong with us. Why are we not like others? Our scholars will be quick to say that these are not the only ways of measuring intelligence. They will quote other scholars to adumbrate their point, but the fact remains that we are not showi ng intelligence. Others are showing it more than we’re doing. If they are not more intelligent than we are, let someone tell me how to put it. God himself must be frustrated with his black children. They must be an embarrassment to him. He has given us everything he has given to other of his children; why are his black children not manifesting their own gift? A few years ago, the whites used to contemptuously call the Japanese “little Japs”. Today, the Japanese and other Asians have pulled themselves up by the bootstrap and have arrived. No one speaks of the Japanese or Asians with contempt anymore. When people like Watson speak about us in unedifying terms, we should take it as a challenge to prove them wrong by sitting down to plan how we can become world-beaters. If our political leaders are the reason for our backwardness, we should resolve to get the kind of leaders who will be instrument for our rapid progress. I may not know how intelligence is measured but my limited knowledge of intelligence is that i! t can al so be measured by the kind of leaders a people decide to have. If, for instance, our professors preside over the massive rigging of elections, it means that we do not have very intelligent professors. Such rigged elections will no doubt produce unintelligent leaders. Such unintelligent leaders will do stupid things which will prove that we are not as intelligent as other races. Do I sound confusing or intelligent? I am ready for some of our ‘patriotic’ intellectuals who will write and abuse me for the ‘outrage’ I have expressed here but I stick to my guns: we lack intelligence and as stated in the Bible, anyone who lacks intelligence should cry unto God who is the custodian of wisdom to bestow some upon him. We should go on our knees today and ask God why we do not appear as intelligent as our other brothers. I am confident God will reveal to us what we must do, and urgently too, to change our terribly unflattering circumstances.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200710250639.html


71 posted on 09/04/2013 10:43:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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This is the most racially biased DOJ I’ve witnessed in my lifetime, and I’m 71.

Holder ignores crimes by blacks against whites/others, but is constantly filing suits against States for alleged bias against blacks. (LA school vouchers, photo IDs to vote, etc.)


72 posted on 09/04/2013 11:07:33 PM PDT by octex
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To: octex

It’s coming, and it won’t be nice.


73 posted on 09/04/2013 11:09:26 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Catsrus

Yeah hate is probably the wrong word. But I am changed now. My head is on a swivel everytime I aproach one


74 posted on 09/05/2013 3:23:19 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Why not do this in schools? Give a much easier test to minority (black of course) students. Gap closed.


75 posted on 09/05/2013 3:36:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: svcw

ROFL


76 posted on 09/05/2013 3:40:06 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: raybbr
Did I get it right?


77 posted on 09/05/2013 3:53:22 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. (Yogi Berra))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, I couldn’t read it so I reformatted it so I could.
calex59

It’s called the Bell Curve.

Nigeria: I Agree With Dr Watson

A few days ago, the Nobel Laureate, Dr James Watson, made a remark that is now generating worldwide uproar, especially among the blacks. He said what to me looks like a self-evident truth.

He told The Sunday Times of London in an interview that in his humble opinion, black people are less intelligent than the White people. Since then, some of us cannot hear anything else but the outrage of black people who feel demeaned by what Watson has said. So many people have called the man names.

To be expected, some have said he is a racist. Some even wonder how a “foolish& quot; man like Watson could have won the Nobel Prize. Even white people who, deep in their heart, agree with Watson want to be politically, correct so they condemn the man. Why are we blacks becoming so reactive, so sensitive to any remarks, no matter how well-meaning, about our failure as a race? Why are we becoming like the Jews who see every accusation as a manifestation of anti-Semitism? I do not know what constitutes intelligence.

I leave that to our so-called scholars. But I do know that in terms of organizing society for the benefit of the people living in it, we blacks have not shown any intelligence in that direction at all. I am so ashamed of this and sometimes feel that I ought to have belonged to another race.

Nigeria my dear country is a prime example of the inferiority of the black race when compared to other races. Let somebody please tell me whether it is a manifestation of intelligence if a people cannot organize a free, fair and credible elect ion to choose who will lead them. Is it intelligence that we! cannot provide simple pipe-borne water for the people? Our public school system has virtually collapsed.

Is that a sign of intelligence? Our roads are impassable. In spite of the numerous sources that nature has made available to us to tap for energy to run our industries and homes, we have no steady supply of electricity. Yet electricity is the bedrock of industrialization. When you agree with the school of Watson, some say you are incorrect because all these failures are a result of poor leadership.

Why must it be us blacks who must always suffer poor leadership? Is that not a manifestation of unintelligence? In the name of international trade, bilateral co-operation, globalization and other subterfuges, the norm in the world today is for smart people to appropriate the wealth of other people for themselves and their countries.

But more among the blacks than any other race, the practice is to steal from their own country and salt away to other people’s country. Is it intell igence that our leaders steal billions of naira and hide in other people’s country? Anywhere in the world today where you have a concentration of black people among other races, the poorest, the least educated, the least achieving, and the most violent group among those races will be the blacks.

When indices of underdevelopment are given, black people and countries are sure to occupy the bottom of the ladder. If we are intelligent, why do we not carry first when statistics of development are given? Look at the African continent. South Africa is the most developed country because of the presence of whites there. This may be an uncomfortable truth for many of us but it exists nevertheless. If the whites had been driven away after independence, we would have seen a steady decline of that country.

In terms of natural endowment, Africa ought to be the richest of the continents but see the mess we have made of the potential for greatness which God in his infinite wisdom has bestowed upon us. We have proved totally incapable of harnessing the abundant natural resources to become great.

Today, there is a renewed scramble for the wealth of Africa. China, our new “friend”, does not bother about the genocide against fellow blacks in the Sudan by the Arabs who control the affairs of that country. They say they do not want to interfere in the internal affairs of any country. All they want is the oil in Sudan to run their industries. Yet, we blacks have not seen the Chinese action as an affront to our sensitivities.

Every race takes us for granted because we are so weak and so foolish, if you permit me to say it. I am really pained by our gross underachievement as a race. Instead of regarding bitter truths expressed by the likes of Watson as a wake-up call for us to engage in sober reflection, we take to the expression of woolly sentiment. For me, this type of reaction is a further evidence of our unintelligence.

A man of intelligence recognizes genuine criticism against him and takes steps to improve himself in order to prove his critics wrong. But for us blacks, our reaction is to abuse the man who expresses worries about our backwardness. Other races are deeply worried about us because we are a problem to the world. We suffer from the five Ds: disorderliness, debts, diseases, deaths and disasters. Our disorderliness affects others or else they won’t be too bothered about us.

Many are afraid because our diseases could infect them. Polio has been eradicated all over the world yet it is still found in Nigeria here. When they give us money to help us eradicate it, our thieving officials will embezzle the money; the virus will spread and endanger the health of not only our people but other people as well.

Out of a shared sense of humanity, some cannot bear to see how we die in thousands almost every day from clearly preventable diseases and causes. For years now, our people die extremely painful but perfectly preventable deaths from buildings which collapse because they were poorly constructed. How can you tell me we are as intelligent as others when we set traps for ourselves in the name of houses and others do not do so?

Some people are extremely frustrated about us. If they have a way of avoiding us, they will be too glad to do so because we are a problem. As I write this, I do so with great pains in my heart because I know that God has given intelligence in equal measure to all his children irrespective of the color of their skin.

The problem with us black people is that we have refused to use our intelligence to organize ourselves socially and politically. It should worry us that we do not invent things. We do not go to the moon. Our societies are not well-organized. We have the shortest lifespan of all the races. Something must be wrong with us. Why are we not like others? Our scholars will be quick to say that these are not the only ways of measuring intelligence.

They will quote other scholars to adumbrate their point, but the fact remains that we are not showing intelligence. Others are showing it more than we’re doing. If they are not more intelligent than we are, let someone tell me how to put it. God himself must be frustrated with his black children. They must be an embarrassment to him.

He has given us everything he has given to other of his children; why are his black children not manifesting their own gift? A few years ago, the whites used to contemptuously call the Japanese “little Japs”. Today, the Japanese and other Asians have pulled themselves up by the bootstrap and have arrived. No one speaks of the Japanese or Asians with contempt anymore. When people like Watson speak about us in unedifying terms, we should take it as a challenge to prove them wrong by sitting down to plan how we can become world-beaters.

If our political leaders are the reason for our backwardness, we should resolve to get the kind of leaders who will be instrument for our rapid progress. I may not know how intelligence is measured but my limited knowledge of intelligence is that i! t can also be measured by the kind of leaders a people decide to have. If, for instance, our professors preside over the massive rigging of elections, it means that we do not have very intelligent professors.

Such rigged elections will no doubt produce unintelligent leaders. Such unintelligent leaders will do stupid things which will prove that we are not as intelligent as other races. Do I sound confusing or intelligent? I am ready for some of our ‘patriotic’ intellectuals who will write and abuse me for the ‘outrage’ I have expressed here but I stick to my guns: we lack intelligence and as stated in the Bible, anyone who lacks intelligence should cry unto God who is the custodian of wisdom to bestow some upon him.

We should go on our knees today and ask God why we do not appear as intelligent as our other brothers. I am confident God will reveal to us what we must do, and urgently too, to change our terribly unflattering circumstances.


78 posted on 09/05/2013 4:55:39 AM PDT by calex59
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To: exDemMom
I guess we’re supposed to believe that poor performance by minorities on standardized exams reflects a cultural bias of the exam, and is not a result of cultural influences that ostracize and punish achievers of certain races.

Actually, the Justice Dept is making the same exact case you are in their argument here.

The key point being made by them is that the tests "continue to have a statistically significant, disparate impact on African-American test-takers".

Note that in saying that they aren't claiming that the tests themselves are explicitly/verifiable racially discriminatory or racist. Which, if true (and its not), would be a legitimate argument calling for input control measures.

Instead, the Dept of Justice is pointing to the output/outcome side of the equation. The tests may not be racist in and of themselves, but they don't support the OUTCOME of hiring/promoting the desired number of blacks.

This is a tacit admission that blacks are, indeed, lower achievers (which is CULTURAL and not race-based) than whites and that the only way to support the desired outcome in hiring/promotion is to dumb the tests down so they can pass.
79 posted on 09/05/2013 5:07:27 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Civil service exams is old skool. We new skool.


80 posted on 09/05/2013 7:20:21 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: tanknetter
This is a tacit admission that blacks are, indeed, lower achievers (which is CULTURAL and not race-based) than whites and that the only way to support the desired outcome in hiring/promotion is to dumb the tests down so they can pass.

And that is exactly why affirmative action programs are so destructive to those whom they supposedly help. My solution would not be to dumb anything down, but to work on improving the culture. When minorities embrace a culture that celebrates success and achievement, then they will do well on the exams.

81 posted on 09/05/2013 3:39:37 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Wasn’t Jimmy Carter still President 33 years ago?


82 posted on 09/06/2013 10:01:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
For three decades the city has steadily made progress in assuring that the ranks of our police and fire departments more truly reflect all of Syracuse

By what statistical quirk would you expect every job classification to be evenly and equally distributed by race (a wholly arbitrary classification - see BH Obama)?

83 posted on 09/06/2013 10:04:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Diogenesis

Did Holder run the Waco murders for Janet Reno?


84 posted on 09/06/2013 10:23:48 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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