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Obama's 'I didn't set no stinkin' red line' assertion leads to near universal incredulity
American Thinker ^ | 09/05/2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 09/05/2013 6:51:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Yesterday, editor in chief Lifson reported on the astonishing claim by President Obama that he didn't set a redline for chemical wepons in Syria and that his credibility was not on the line.

Lifson pointed to a meeting of Obama's political team where the message on Syria was being massaged. If this is the best they could come up with - simply denying reality - then the president is in a world of hurt.

The reality, as Jean Kaufman (Neo-Neocon) points out this morning at PJ Media is undeniable:

"I didn't set a red line. The world set a red line."

But in his statement back in August of 2012, Obama unequivocally and undeniably did set a red line. Watch the video, and note especially around 2:07-2:08 when he gestures to himself and says, with emphasis, "us," and his back-and-forth use of the terms "we," "us," and "I" to mean the same thing: himself, or his administration with himself in charge. At no point does he cite the international community, except earlier in his statement when he speaks briefly and generally about the international community's role in a possible eventual transition from the Assad regime to a new government in Syria.

Kaufman takes apart Obama's answer from his press conference in Sweden. Here it is in its entirety:

Let me unpack the question. First of all, I didn't set a red line. The world set a red line. The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons are abhorrent and passed a treaty forbidding their use even when countries are engaged in war. Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: obama; redline; syria
In other words -- Blame others, not me.
1 posted on 09/05/2013 6:51:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing he’s ever shown any skill at - scapegoating.


2 posted on 09/05/2013 6:53:17 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SeekAndFind
The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons are abhorrent and passed a treaty forbidding their use even when countries are engaged in war. Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty.

For the record, Syria is not a signatory to that treaty.

3 posted on 09/05/2013 6:54:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree in a sense that although he didn’t explicitly cite international treaties that is the obvious legal basis for any military action.


4 posted on 09/05/2013 6:55:28 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama performs “Jedi mind trick” on international community.


5 posted on 09/05/2013 6:56:02 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who calls me a liar is RACIST!


6 posted on 09/05/2013 6:58:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind
From what I just saw and read on DRUDGE - ZERO wants to back the rebels? They are pond scum.
This needs to shouted from the mountain tops.
7 posted on 09/05/2013 6:58:27 AM PDT by DeaconRed (The Monkey is playing with a live hand grenade. He has NEVER seen one explode. . . .)
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To: SeekAndFind
With Harry it was “the buck stops here”, With Bill it was “the buck never got here” and with Obama it is “that is someone else buck”. LOL.
8 posted on 09/05/2013 7:00:04 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you have to tell people that your credibility is not on the line, then your credibility is on the line


9 posted on 09/05/2013 7:00:56 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

WE ALL must call our reps today!!

The one thing they do understand is no matter how much money they get the still need VOTERS
and next year is an election year

EVEN solidly Dems pay attention to voters

so please call
PLEASE

The POS 0dumbo must be stopped on this


10 posted on 09/05/2013 7:01:17 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Paladin2

I’ve got to check MSNBC and see how they’re attempting to spin all this....


11 posted on 09/05/2013 7:01:33 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: Mr. K
If you have to tell people that your credibility is not on the line, then your credibility is on the line

I agree. He also sounded like a spoiled whining child.
12 posted on 09/05/2013 7:03:58 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: SeekAndFind
Lifson pointed to a meeting of Obama's political team where the message on Syria was being massaged. If this is the best they could come up with - simply denying reality - then the president is in a world of hurt.
I disagree.

His domestic supporters will believe anything he says. And that's the only constituency he's marginally interested in.

13 posted on 09/05/2013 7:04:05 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: SeekAndFind

Greta was interviewing Rumsfeld last night and when she referred to that statement, Rummy was gobsmacked. He said he had been in Montana and and not heard that Obama said that. He was somewhat at a loss for words.


14 posted on 09/05/2013 7:04:40 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: RWGinger

Big Money rules.

The Big Money wants another war.

One hundred percent of voters opposing a new war would be irrelevant.

It will be irrelevant.


15 posted on 09/05/2013 7:05:53 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Bratch

“I didn’t set that red line, others did it for me.”


16 posted on 09/05/2013 7:06:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Mr. K
If you have to tell people that your credibility is not on the line, then your credibility is on the line

Whether it is or not, the deluded leftist doesn't understand its not up to him to decide.

17 posted on 09/05/2013 7:09:09 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama : I didn’t do that. Sonebody else made that sound.


18 posted on 09/05/2013 7:09:29 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: mmichaels1970
Obama performs “Jedi mind trick” on international community.

This is not the red line you were looking for.

19 posted on 09/05/2013 7:13:43 AM PDT by ken in texas (Obama schedule- Nice weather: golf, else play spades with Reggie)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is normal behavior for sociopathic narcissists like Obama. Where there is blame, it can only be assigned to everyone else except themselves. Where there is credit, that belongs solely to them. Hence, he is the only one whose credibility is NOT on the line in regards to this whole Syria fiasco even though he has been the only one talking about “red lines”, while he all but pulled the trigger himself when it came to taking down Osama.

It would be fascinating to watch how minds like Obama’s work if it weren’t so appallingly frightening.


20 posted on 09/05/2013 7:16:44 AM PDT by MWS
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To: SeekAndFind

And the media will slavishly erase his previous words where he did set a red line.

Under the soviet union, they went into the history books and rewrote history to promote their agenda. No different from what is happening here.


21 posted on 09/05/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: don-o

I guess Montana is off the grid.


22 posted on 09/05/2013 7:17:13 AM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: warchild9

yes money makes a difference
but money can’t vote
Politicians know that
and they absolutely do pay attention to their votrs phone calls

the Tea Party changed the balance
But let’s say you don’t believe it
why wouldn’t you make a phone call anyway?
Just 30 sec of your time
why wouldn’t you call?


23 posted on 09/05/2013 7:21:18 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: SeekAndFind

24 posted on 09/05/2013 7:22:42 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Sicvee

That struck me as funny also. I guess Montana gets its news once a week by stagecoach? I could have sworn last time I stayed in Billings there was at least one black and white TV station and an AM transmitter on the hill.


25 posted on 09/05/2013 7:23:22 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is sounding like Bart Simpson...”I didn’t do it...nobody saw me do it”


26 posted on 09/05/2013 7:24:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: rockrr

He really has no skill at that either. If we had a responsible media he would be toast.


27 posted on 09/05/2013 7:26:16 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: RWGinger

I won’t call because my congressman is a democratic party hack who toes the line.

My district was gerrymandered several years ago to protect four surrounding red districts, which left voters like myself in the lurch.

Also, I’m not so naive to think my voice speaks louder than campaign contributions. I learned this at an early age when I volunteered to do some door-knocking in Raleigh to lobby about dog fighting. They wouldn’t even let us in the door without a pledged bribe.

Only a teenager or a silly goose thinks Washington feeds on anything other than money.


28 posted on 09/05/2013 7:28:52 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: SeekAndFind

29 posted on 09/05/2013 7:38:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Didn’t the “Jedi mind trick” actually work in the movie?


30 posted on 09/05/2013 7:39:54 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Sicvee

Or, it could be that a man decides to unplug? Ya think?


31 posted on 09/05/2013 7:45:45 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He is a liar. A continuous liar.


32 posted on 09/05/2013 7:47:39 AM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: don-o

Greta was interviewing Rumsfeld last night and when she referred to that statement, Rummy was gobsmacked. He said he had been in Montana and and not heard that Obama said that. He was somewhat at a loss for words.

____________________

The words he should have said: This is a lie.


33 posted on 09/05/2013 7:50:47 AM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: warchild9

The insult aside no matter how much a big biz gives any candidate the candidate still needs actual votes to win .
There have been enough instances the last few years to prove that voters CAN change things

But your mind is made up.
Thank goodness there are still people open minded and willing to make an effort to change things.


34 posted on 09/05/2013 7:58:54 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: SeekAndFind
President Thurm...

"I didn't set a Red Line.....you're the one who set a Red Line. I think it's funny that you actually would think I set a Red Line."

35 posted on 09/05/2013 8:02:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RWGinger

There’s a reason why elections don’t change things.

Think about it.

The same people remain in charge, no matter the puppet in the White House.

Both my Senators—an R and a D—are strongly backing this new war.

My governor—a very conservative man—is backing the war while my congressman—a leftist by any measure—is doing the same.

Why? Because elections cost MILLIONS of dollars, that’s why.

Presidential elections cost a BILLION.

Golden Rule.


36 posted on 09/05/2013 8:03:41 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: listenhillary
Didn’t the “Jedi mind trick” actually work in the movie?

Yes. And it will work for a majority here. Remember: "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."
37 posted on 09/05/2013 8:07:11 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

He must have been one hideous little kid because he’s grown into an obnoxious,pampered, overindulged big kid. Toots and Gramps must have spoiled him rotten and they certainly instilled him with an over inflated ego.


38 posted on 09/05/2013 8:07:51 AM PDT by surrey
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To: mmichaels1970

He lies soooooo much that he does not even know he is lying.


39 posted on 09/05/2013 8:18:42 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: MWS
This is normal behavior for sociopathic narcissists like Obama. Where there is blame, it can only be assigned to everyone else except themselves. Where there is credit, that belongs solely to them. Hence, he is the only one whose credibility is NOT on the line in regards to this whole Syria fiasco even though he has been the only one talking about “red lines”, while he all but pulled the trigger himself when it came to taking down Osama.

Obama is becoming so unhinged, he just might have a "Captain Queeg" moment any day now.

40 posted on 09/05/2013 8:22:24 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: SeekAndFind

Where’s Candy Crowley when you need her?

He definitely needs her to cover up his lies now.


41 posted on 09/05/2013 8:22:31 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: erlayman

There’s no legal basis for military action when Syria isn’t a party to those treaties. They have reserved the sovereign right to use chemical weapons within their own borders, and if we attack them for doing so, it would be US that is committing aggressive war without provocation.


42 posted on 09/05/2013 8:45:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: warchild9

“Big Money rules.

The Big Money wants another war.”

You sound like a democrat.


43 posted on 09/05/2013 8:50:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

If (__)o(__)bama said it, of course it stinks!


44 posted on 09/05/2013 9:20:27 AM PDT by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44)
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To: mmichaels1970
Jedi mind trick?!...more like using a laser pointer to run a retarded dog off a cliff
45 posted on 09/05/2013 9:41:11 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: SeekAndFind

BHO is openly and arrogantly lying to this country and because it is an international matter, lying to the world. I would like to know how anything being represented by Obama, Kerry, Hagel, and Dempsey in these hearings can be trusted. Their desperation to strike Syria is close to frantic and is quite obvious they will say and do anything. What is wrong with a warning to Syria, if one more ounce of CW is used, we will destroy you. Make a plan, build international support based on this warning and wait.


46 posted on 09/05/2013 9:56:39 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: tophat9000

involuntary chuckle...

This is something from “the culture” - I know you think you have me dead to rights in some wrongdoing, but it wuddenme.


47 posted on 09/05/2013 9:59:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

It appears he needs Candy Crowley to fling her big fat butt in here and help her “boy” out again.


48 posted on 09/05/2013 10:29:54 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bama is delusional


49 posted on 09/05/2013 2:04:20 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: ErnBatavia
I’ve got to check MSNBC and see how they’re attempting to spin all this....

Dunno about them, but this is making the rounds: No, MSNBC, President Obama is Not ‘Defensive’, He’s Righteously Fed Up.

Uh ... okay ...

50 posted on 09/05/2013 2:08:46 PM PDT by x
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