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Russian warships cross Bosphorus, en route to Syria
AFP ^ | September 5, 2013

Posted on 09/05/2013 8:04:16 AM PDT by maggief

Three Russian warships crossed Turkey's Bosphorus Strait Thursday en route to the eastern Mediterranean, near the Syrian coast, amid concern in the region over potential US-led strikes in response to the Damascus regime's alleged use of chemical weapons.

The SSV-201 intelligence ship Priazovye, accompanied by the two landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk passed through the Bosphorus known as the Istanbul strait that separates Asia from Europe, an AFP photographer reported.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: moroninchief; worldwar3; worldwariii; ww3; wwiii
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1 posted on 09/05/2013 8:04:16 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Checkmate!


2 posted on 09/05/2013 8:04:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: maggief

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Syria_9?

Russia says Syrian Foreign Minister to visit Moscow on Monday

MOSCOW - Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem will travel to Moscow for talks with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov on Monday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

The ministry said talks will focus on “the current situation in Syria”, where the United States is mulling a military strike after Washington said it had evidence that President Bashar al-Assad used chemical arms against civilians.

http://rt.com/news/syria-crisis-live-updates-047/

14:40 GMT: Russia is not blocking the work of the UN Security Council, but “calls for all its partners for objective assessment of the situation” around Syria, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said at the G20 briefing.
“ Russia attempts to call on its partners, including the partners in Washington, for objective assessment of the situation, for not taking the decisions before the official verdict of the UN experts working in Syria,” he said.


3 posted on 09/05/2013 8:07:14 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Getting ugly now.

Thanks Obama.


4 posted on 09/05/2013 8:09:15 AM PDT by dforest
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To: maggief

The die is cast


5 posted on 09/05/2013 8:09:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: maggief
A 1980’s style signals ship, and two landing craft? That is most curious. Will Putin storm ports he already owns with Russian marines? To what advantage? This may be more about moving the chemical weapons to Iran, than a challange to the US Navy.
6 posted on 09/05/2013 8:11:03 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The Russians have supplied lots of missiles and war weapons to Syria and would love to supply Iran with functional rockets with guidance for Iranian nuclear weapons if given the chance.
They are interested in breaking our economy chasing these fires around the world as they pose.


7 posted on 09/05/2013 8:13:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: dforest

So we fire twenty cruise missiles. The odds now? I’d say that barely six get through the Russian defense umbrella.

Then what? US aircraft? You’d have to be an idiot to send in two carriers and hope that the Russians don’t react.

Cold war re-created? Heck, at this rate....Jeb Bush could win the Presidency in 2016, and the Noble Peace Prize dimwits are forced to award him the prize because he ended Cold War II.

And somewhere in the middle of this....the Snowden dimwit. He’s probably even got all of the WWE-wrestling staged event plans for 2013 and 2014.


8 posted on 09/05/2013 8:13:50 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: A CA Guy

Those are probably the only ships that could leave port.

Russia supposedly supplied advanced AA missiles to Iraq before the 2003 invasion. That didn’t go well. The Russians can’t afford to lose credibility when it comes to weaponry. They have taken too many hits over time.

The Slava class in the region carries their best long-range AA missile. I doubt they will use it to help the Syrians.


9 posted on 09/05/2013 8:18:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: maggief

http://rt.com/business/g20-live-updates-rt-413/

G20 LIVE UPDATES

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16:24 MSK: “Russia-US relations need another ‘reset’” Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s spokesman, said.


10 posted on 09/05/2013 8:19:49 AM PDT by maggief
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To: dfwgator

Just a thought. Is Obama trying to set himself up to be the great peace-maker?


11 posted on 09/05/2013 8:20:22 AM PDT by TimF
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To: AppyPappy

They are not losing weaponry, they are seeing themselves lose opportunity.


12 posted on 09/05/2013 8:23:23 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: maggief

Something about the report looks a bit screwy. The online sources that I have found show Russia as having disposed of all the ships of the Kiev class, including the Minsk. If true, then someone got confused in their ship spotting. Or, has Russia named another ship after the city of Minsk? The Novocherkassk looks like a very interesting ship, having bow doors as well as a well deck. The Priazovye [ http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo-35924-PRIAZOVYE+(SSV-201) ] looks like it has a full range of antennae and the size to keep it on station for an extended length of time.


13 posted on 09/05/2013 8:24:39 AM PDT by Pecos (Kritarchy: government by the judges)
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To: Pecos

Here’s an earlier report:

http://rt.com/news/russian-destroyer-mediterranean-report-424/

A large anti-submarine ship named “Admiral Panteleyev” reportedly arrived in the east Mediterranean Sea to join the Russian standing naval force as flagship. It comes shortly before the scheduled rotation of two Russian landing craft carriers in the area.

The Russian Navy destroyer left the Far-Eastern port city of Vladivostok on March 19 and arrived in the designated area of the eastern Mediterranean on Wednesday, according to sources cited by Interfax and RIA Novosti.

Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry said that large landing craft carriers “Novocherkassk” and “Minsk” of Russia’s Black and Baltic Sea Fleets have been dispatched to the area, and will join the permanent Mediterranean naval force on September 5-6 in accordance with the earlier planned schedule.

A General Staff source told Itar-Tass that reconnaissance ship “Priazovye” also headed to the area to aid in monitoring the situation in the region.

A senior Russian Navy Main Staff source also told Interfax that guided missile cruiser “Moskva” will be the next vessel arriving in the Mediterranean to replace “Admiral Panteleyev” as flagship.


14 posted on 09/05/2013 8:28:41 AM PDT by maggief
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To: TimF

The Black Sea Fleet has two new Sierra 2 Fast Attack subs and two Yasen Class Missile Subs. These are serious war machines.


15 posted on 09/05/2013 8:31:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: maggief

We get no respect with that poser in the white house.

We may not survive his presidency.


16 posted on 09/05/2013 8:42:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: maggief

I am wondering if this posturing and posing by Putin is a smoke screen.

Are Russian ships proceeding to the Eastern Med. fo ‘help’ the U.S.A. with communications?


17 posted on 09/05/2013 8:42:14 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: maggief

Thanks, Obama, you moron!


18 posted on 09/05/2013 8:43:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: cuban leaf
We may not survive his presidency.

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If we do survive, he'll go down in history as the worst president ever.

19 posted on 09/05/2013 8:45:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: maggief

Lots of opposing and moving parts gathering in a relatively small area. What could go wrong? /sarc


20 posted on 09/05/2013 8:47:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Background:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3062876/posts?page=2#2


21 posted on 09/05/2013 8:48:57 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Starboard

A trigger-happy community organizer with a bruised ego?


22 posted on 09/05/2013 8:52:50 AM PDT by maggief
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To: dfwgator

Is Obama willing to risk a regional conflict or WWIII to protect his credibility? Maybe, but I would hope that the congress will not be willing to take this insane risk. Just one miscalculation and it would be game on.


23 posted on 09/05/2013 8:53:02 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: TimF

Could be. But one thing we know for sure: its all about him. It always is.


24 posted on 09/05/2013 8:54:00 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Pecos
Humeyra Pamuk @PamukHum

Reuters energy correspondent. Covering Turkey, the Gulf and the wider Middle East. Londonlover. Personal account.

Istanbul/Ankara

3h

Turkish TVs reporting #Russian war ships crossing through the Bosphorus to Med #Syria pic.twitter.com/gdcp0yobwj

25 posted on 09/05/2013 8:56:25 AM PDT by maggief
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To: A CA Guy

They are interested in breaking our economy
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Then this objective coincides with Obama’s, although they are not as good at it as he is.


26 posted on 09/05/2013 8:56:31 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

They don’t lead from Obama’s behind as well as Obama does.


27 posted on 09/05/2013 8:57:15 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: maggief
This is a perfect example of why Obama is such an absolutely incompetent, ineffective and feckless leader.

This is the real world, as opposed to the academic little bubble world he and his yes men and sycophants live in/

If he intended to attack Syria, he should have done it immediately when support was high and Assad and his allies, especially Russia, were caught off guard and unprepared.

By the time this dithering idiot actually acts, Assad will have protected his assets with an American attack in mind, the Russians all have moved all of their assets to counter ours and the Russians may upgrade Assad's air defense systems.

The chances of the US forces accomplishing the goal of destroying Assad's capabilities has went down astronomically, the risk to American military assets taking part in any military action has increased a hundred fold and we have a much larger Russian presence which could trigger a much larger and more serious war with Russia if Obama screws up any military action.

Obama has mishandled this so badly it's hard to see how he could have done worse up to this point and he has done immeasurable and lasting damage to the United States as a consequence of his actions.

The scary thing is that, while he could not do worse up until now, he can much much worse going forward. In fact he has almost unlimited capability to screw up and turn the Syrian event into a geopolitical nightmare up to and including blowing this up to a serious regional or world war.

28 posted on 09/05/2013 8:57:34 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: dforest

I’m thinking the Russians are going to do some quick ‘peace keeping exercises’ and imbed their troops with the Syrians ‘to restore order’. Then if we attack Syrian installations we will be killing Russians too. The two subs and the destroyer could retaliate for the ‘brazen attack’ on its military.


29 posted on 09/05/2013 8:58:53 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: dfwgator

No. Check!

Checkmate is only goes to him who launches the last missile — ICBM or otherwise.


30 posted on 09/05/2013 8:59:49 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Starboard
Obama tryin' to get his "street creds." But Putin ain't scootin'!

This is some serious firepower on the move from Mother Russia. And we already have plenty in Med Sea and more on the way.And for what? Around these 'ol hills, when one spots a Fujita Five Tornado, you run away from it. Not toward it...

31 posted on 09/05/2013 9:00:50 AM PDT by donozark (I'd rather go fishing with Putin than golfing with Obama...)
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To: pepsionice

“....Jeb Bush could win the Presidency in 2016, and the Noble Peace Prize dimwits are forced to award him the prize because he ended Cold War II.”

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The prize will go to Putin.


32 posted on 09/05/2013 9:02:08 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: RadiationRomeo

They are going to pull another “Pristina Airport”, and this time they aren’t going to leave.


33 posted on 09/05/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rdcbn

Good post. Obama simply has no idea what the consequences of his little adventure will be. Quite frankly, this is a golden opportunity for Putin to exploit: a confrontation wherein the U.S. has no real international support. He’s holding the cards on this one.


34 posted on 09/05/2013 9:05:17 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: maggief
I have serious doubts that the Russian ships are going to turn on their fire control radars in this kind of situation as that would be suicidal for one thing. Second, I'm sure that the Navy already has 3D maps of the target areas with locations of air defenses mapped out along with their engagement zones, SAM and IAD search radar frequencies, etc. They'll choose routes for the cruise missiles that will give the Syrians a very low chance of knocking them down and my guess is that at least 95% will hit their targets. There's not much the Russians or Syrians can do at this point to stop that kind of a strike.
35 posted on 09/05/2013 9:05:39 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: RadiationRomeo

If we back away from everything considered, who the hell is stupid enough to allow democrats to run a war? Especially with a political hack and fool for CIC.

That should be enough to scare the hell out of anyone.

And who is at the Defense helm. Chuck Hagel. Be afraid!


36 posted on 09/05/2013 9:06:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: trisham

History?

The way things are going today, history will be written by the muslims who will declare Obama the greatest POTUS ever.

You still see America’s future too rosy.


37 posted on 09/05/2013 9:07:15 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: massgopguy

Russia deployed Borei Class Missile Subs carrying 16 Bulava Nuclear Missiles with 6 war Heads each. Google “new Russian subs” YouTube. Check out the Target Area on the demo.


38 posted on 09/05/2013 9:08:53 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 353FMG

You may be right. I’m certainly not optimistic for the near future.


39 posted on 09/05/2013 9:09:43 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: maggief

I do not think anyone in the world believes that we would not win a conventional confrontation with any other power in the world. We could beat Russia, China, and anyone else for that matter.

That is really not the issue.

The issue is about how much pain we can tolerate. Say we fire 100 cruise missiles and a dozen make it in. Then what? Do we send in B1’s and B2’s? Do we send in the carrier based planes? And how many of those can we afford to lose. While we can defeat most ground to air systems, we are not “perfect.”

If we fire from the ships, what are the chances of retaliation from the Syrian or Russian Navies? A full scale attack on our ships (massive missile launches at once) could overwhelm our defenses. What if we lose a destroyer. Not the fleet. But if one missile hits a destroyer, what happens.

Again, such an attack would result in the devastation of the Syrian navy. And their air force will have already been destroyed.

What we forget is the Arab mindset. The arab mindset is not about winning wars. It is about taking on the big enemies. All they need to do is give us a bloody nose (a la Beruit.) We get a bloody nose and we retreat—no question about it.

It is pretty clear that American people are not hungry for another attempt at occupying a middle eastern country. That would be suicide based on the lack of political will we have for fighting that kind of a war.

And finally, the big question is this:

With our intervention, if successful, Assad will be finished. He knows this. We know this. And his generals know this. My question is at what point does he get taken out by his own military? And, if the military knows the rebels will kill them after a coup, then does it make sense to go down trying a massive, all out attack on Israel?

I don’t think the Generals would allow that to happen, knowing it would mean the end of Syria’s existence as a state. It would also mean a greater attack from Iran.

What no one is talking about is an attack by Syria in the other direction. Anyone with half a brain knows that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are behind this whole thing. What are the chanced that Syria and Iran respond with a massive attack on them. They do not have the “iron dome” that Israel has. Our Patriots are not going to stop a massive fusillade of missiles. That could knock out oil production in the Gulf for years.

This is the scenario that believe is the outcome. Russia wins (they become the largest oil exporter, AND the gas line through Syria becomes moot.) Syria wins because Assad stays in power (a little longer). And we are caught looking in the other directions.

And, from a personal point of view, the House of Saud gets their asses handed to them. And that always makes me happy.


40 posted on 09/05/2013 9:11:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: swamprebel

It wouldn’t be a challenge to our navy. It would be Russian troops on the ground and Obozo’s decision to lob ordinance in or around them.

It could be a direct challenge to Obozo himseff.


41 posted on 09/05/2013 9:13:28 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: dfwgator

I like the Pristina Airport comparison. The Russians could block the ports and highways to prevent any US boots on the ground. This is the best opportunity for the Russians to humiliate the US, ever.


42 posted on 09/05/2013 9:16:06 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: rdcbn
a perfect example of why Obama is such an absolutely incompetent, ineffective and feckless leader...

Disagree. The bamster's job is to screw things up and sabotage the country so royally it will never recover. He was hired to leave a unrepairable disaster in his wake, deplete the treasury, crush industry, humiliate the military, foment class and race hatred, and put the citizenry in perpetual bondage to the parasite class. And so far he's done an exemplary job.
43 posted on 09/05/2013 9:25:41 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: maggief

“Ivanov also said that Russia has boosted its naval presence in the Mediterranean Sea in order to evacuate Russian citizens from Syria in case of an attack.”

http://rt.com/news/syria-crisis-live-updates-047/

Thursday, September 5

16:18 GMT: Moscow is puzzled by the Pentagon’s claims that Russia has been shipping chemical weapons or the means to develop them to the Syrian government of Bashar Assad, the head of the Kremlin’s administration, Sergey Ivanov, said.

“I’ve heard this statement, spoken in diplomatic language, I was very surprised and even shocked by it,” Ivanov is cited as saying by the ITAR-TASS news agency.

The official added that no matter how Congress votes on the use of force against Syria, the decision by the US lawmaker still won’t be “legitimate”.

Ivanov also said that Russia has boosted its naval presence in the Mediterranean Sea in order to evacuate Russian citizens from Syria in case of an attack.


44 posted on 09/05/2013 9:26:55 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Ivanov also said that Russia has boosted its naval presence in the Mediterranean Sea in order to evacuate Russian citizens from Syria in case of an attack.
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Well that’s a relief to hear. I wasn’t aware that submarines could be used for large scale evacuations. /sarc


45 posted on 09/05/2013 9:30:03 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SpaceBar

In all things, if you want to know what Obama is going to do just ask yourself: what would be bad for America? Works every time.


46 posted on 09/05/2013 9:31:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard
Good post. Obama simply has no idea what the consequences of his little adventure will be. Quite frankly, this is a golden opportunity for Putin to exploit: a confrontation wherein the U.S. has no real international support. He’s holding the cards on this one.


Yeah, good thing we have that missile defense shield in Eastern Europe to fall back on to protect us in case things fall apart

D’oh, I forgot - Obama canceled that missile shield as one of his priority act in his first term.

My bad.

The Obama Administration has screwed things up so badly that we are going to be learning some hard lessons in the next few years.

I see a future where Russia has solidified a very strong position in East and West Europe as well as the Middle East at our expense on the way cheap due to the weakness and fecklessness of the Obama Administration.

It's almost as if it's been planned that way.

47 posted on 09/05/2013 9:32:22 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

It’s almost as if it’s been planned that way.

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Indeed it does. And remember, its not his credibility at stake. Oh no. It’s the country and the U.S. congress that are on the hook now. /sarc


48 posted on 09/05/2013 9:35:55 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Kind of makes you wonder how much of this stuff is real and how much is Kabuki Theater.

It occurs to me that the current situation pretty gives the Russians a blank check to cut a sweet deal ,strictly on their terms, with Assad with regards to Natural Gas developments in Syria.

This whole affair has more to do with Gazprom than gas attacks


49 posted on 09/05/2013 9:41:33 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Starboard

LOL!


50 posted on 09/05/2013 9:47:32 AM PDT by maggief
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