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Tulsa school sends girl home over hair [dreads]
FOX 23 ^ | September 5, 2013

Posted on 09/05/2013 11:09:30 AM PDT by kevcol

administrator, Millard Jones told FOX23 that Terrance Parker was fully aware what was expected. However, for his young daughter, it just hurts.

"They didn't like my dreads," said Tiana.

FoX23 reviewed the school's dress code. It states, "hairstyles such as dreadlocks, afros, mohawks, and other faddish styles are unacceptable."

(Excerpt) Read more at fox23.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: charterschools; discipline; dresscodes; holderspeople; tulsa
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Outrageous. This racist Charter School should be aware that their "rules" do not apply to everyone.
Al Sharpton will set them straight.

1 posted on 09/05/2013 11:09:30 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

TFB.


2 posted on 09/05/2013 11:10:57 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: kevcol

So they applied to be able to go to a CHARTER school, and get accepted, and then tell the school they won’t follow its rules?

Didn’t they know the rules when they applied to go there?


3 posted on 09/05/2013 11:13:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: kevcol

She’s really going to be a joy in about ten years or so.


4 posted on 09/05/2013 11:15:13 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mr. K

They are Obama’s relatives and rules and laws don’t apply to them.


5 posted on 09/05/2013 11:16:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: kevcol

Parents and students get a copy of the dress code and have to sign them. If they don’t like the dress code, then go to the principle and the school board. Going to media and having the kid cry on tv is just pathetic.


6 posted on 09/05/2013 11:18:27 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: kevcol
Eric Holder will be investigating all of the administrators involved, and visits from the IRS, DEA, OSHA, FBI, etc., are imminent.
7 posted on 09/05/2013 11:18:34 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Mr. K
Any expectectation of Blackafricanmericanpeoplezofcolor following rules set down by crackers for crackers is just RACIST.

So I am sure that there will be an exception for all affirmative action students.

8 posted on 09/05/2013 11:19:53 AM PDT by Tupelo (There are no Republicans or Democrats in Washington. Just Millionaires protecting their turf.)
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To: Mr. K
I think it all comes down to if the parents signed something agreeing to the school's dress code, and that dress code includes acceptable hair styles.

It's a common problem. Parents sign their kids up for a better education, then behave just as they did when their kids were in public schools and didn't learn.

9 posted on 09/05/2013 11:22:21 AM PDT by grania
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To: kevcol

Quick, someone call the waaambulance!


10 posted on 09/05/2013 11:22:46 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: kevcol

I don’t see the problem with an afro, since it’s a “natural” hairstyle. Dreadlocks aren’t, and usually aren’t frequently washed, so that can be a sanitary problem.


11 posted on 09/05/2013 11:25:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: NEMDF
Eric Holder will be investigating all of the administrators involved, and visits from the IRS, DEA, OSHA, FBI, etc., are imminent.

If it's a charter school then forbid them entrance to the school and have them arrested if they trespass.

12 posted on 09/05/2013 11:26:03 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Dreadlocks are indeed a natural hair style.

Combed hair is unnatural, but acceptable.

Cleanliness is a different issue, but dreds can be clean, or not. Clean hair is not natural, but acceptable.


13 posted on 09/05/2013 11:29:36 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Mr. K
This is an occasion when my conservative soul yearning for good order and discipline and the restoration of real education collides with my pesky libertarian streak which says how can we put these kids against their will in indoctrination centers all day long and deprive them of their personal liberties over questions of taste?

I understand that it might make a difference that the school in question is a charter school but I'm not sure that it does. Nor am I sure, on the other hand, that I would object if the children are required to wear uniforms. So, like a fiddler on the roof, I am undecided for the one hand or the other hand.

My real problem is that a charter school is still a school conducted by the state with all the repressive powers of the state at its disposal and it is not entirely clear that a democratic process brought the school to the conclusion that dreadlocks should be forbidden. My real solution to this is not a charter school which is only a halfway compromise to schools funded by vouchers. If the child had the choice of going to a school paid for by vouchers which permitted dreadlocks the problem would be solved. So would most problems such as religious observances, dress codes, speech codes, flag salutes etc.

The voucher school system is truly a free-market system in which the parents votes with their vouchers and a Democratic system is put in place and effectively policed by the consumers just as is the market for most services. The problem is the same people who think they know better about dreadlocks are terrified of the idea of the parents actually controlling their children's education.


14 posted on 09/05/2013 11:29:41 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: kevcol

This is extreme. A school is trying to help it’s students succeed in life.


15 posted on 09/05/2013 11:37:34 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: donmeaker

You have to style dreadlocks, they don’t occur naturally. But as I said, I think the school can make an argument against it on the hygiene issue.


16 posted on 09/05/2013 11:37:42 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

My daughter grows dreds naturally, and it is a constant struggle to avoid them.

Styling them is required for them to look a particular way, which would make them like any other hair style.


17 posted on 09/05/2013 11:40:01 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; nathanbedford

Yes - it is in fact a Charter School.


18 posted on 09/05/2013 11:40:41 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It doesn’t matter if you see a problem or not. The school has a dress code ( as did mine back in the long ago time). Obey it or go to another slacker school. The parents have choices. They are trying the old scheme of ‘it is better to ask forgiveness than permission’. They got the rules. They know the rules. If they don’t want to obey them they should put their daughter in another school. end of story


19 posted on 09/05/2013 11:41:01 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: donmeaker

none of it matters. The dress code is set. Doesn’t matter if anyone ‘likes’ it. Dress codes used to be the norm.


20 posted on 09/05/2013 11:42:06 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The parents signed a contract with the school. The contract included dress code, including hairstyles right?

As I see it, they signed a contract that they either didnt read or didnt expect to be enforced. It got enforced and they complained to the media in search of 15 minutes of fame.

Screw them. Follow the rules.


21 posted on 09/05/2013 11:45:20 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Nifster

One wonders what they would say to a shaved head.

Certainly not natural.

Ok, if there is a dress code that requires a certain reflectance from the face?

Dress codes can be fair, or unfair. Unfair dress codes should not be able to be enforced.

There can be some disagreement as to what is fair. Certainly the burden of proof would be on the person who accepted the dress code when they wanted to get in, but wants it changed once they attend.


22 posted on 09/05/2013 11:46:07 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: kevcol
I must remove myself from this jury having owned a 125 lb. Newfie mix who's entire coat would turn to dreadlocks if not given at least two hours a week upkeep.
23 posted on 09/05/2013 11:46:27 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Nifster

Dress codes were the norm, but were often overturned because they were unfair.


24 posted on 09/05/2013 11:47:31 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: CrazyIvan

I have a 107 lb daughter in the same situation.


25 posted on 09/05/2013 11:48:04 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Mr. K
"So they applied to be able to go to a CHARTER school, and get accepted, and then tell the school they won’t follow its rules?

Didn’t they know the rules when they applied to go there?"

Just like the idiots who apply at fast food places and Walmart then turn around and scream their a$$es off that they do not get paid enough!!!

Pure A$SHOLES!!

26 posted on 09/05/2013 11:48:44 AM PDT by Johnny_cash (10 out of 10 idiots voted for 0Bama!)
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To: donmeaker

If they are applied evenly it is not unfair


27 posted on 09/05/2013 11:49:30 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: nathanbedford

The voucher school system is truly a free-market system in which the parents votes with their vouchers and a Democratic system is put in place and effectively policed by the consumers just as is the market for most services. The problem is the same people who think they know better about dreadlocks are terrified of the idea of the parents actually controlling their children’s education.


Be careful what you wish for. Most voters wouldn’t support vouchers being used for students to attend a Klan school, 0bama and the rest of the left don’t see any difference between that and a traditional Christian school that teaches that homosexuality is a sin and refuses to hire gay teachers. Using the federal voucher, the state would dictate to the school what it could and couldn’t teach or who it had to hire.


28 posted on 09/05/2013 11:49:48 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: kevcol

Very curly hair is extremely hard to manage. Dreadlocks are a style which allows one some measure of control over their hair. It also saves a lot of time in the morning.

Not saying I agree with the family’s methods, but the policy seems unreasonable to me.


29 posted on 09/05/2013 11:50:22 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: nathanbedford

The kids are likely going to be subject to questions of ‘taste’ in one way or another all of their lives. They may as well get used to it. It’s called growing up.


30 posted on 09/05/2013 11:52:22 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: nathanbedford

I am also a bit conflicted about this story. I personally don’t have an issue with dreadlocks, BUT they are associated with the Rasta lifestyle which is in many ways antithetical to the goals of a modern school system. I would be more concerned about the philosophy of the parents than about the hair itself. Are the parents in fact committed to the goals of the school?


31 posted on 09/05/2013 11:52:33 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You don't know much about dreadlocks, that's obvious. A dear friend has them, and they are clean and sanitary.

/johnny

32 posted on 09/05/2013 11:52:35 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL

Depends on what they are.

If they require blue jeans, and you are allergic to the die used in blue jeans, they might be unfair.

If they are written for and by people with straight hair, and forbid curly hair, that might be unfair.

Certainly faddish is open to wide interpretation.

Short dreds I don’t see would be a problem, but I don’t see most short hair styles as a problem. Long dreds could be a problem, but many long hair styles would be a problem.

Shaved heads might be considered faddish. A cancer survivor who lost his hair might look exactly the same, but for them we would feel (I hope) nothing but sympathy.

Dress codes are the classic example of form over substance.


33 posted on 09/05/2013 11:54:15 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: kevcol

No afros? That’s the most idiotic thing I’ve heard in some time.


34 posted on 09/05/2013 11:54:33 AM PDT by gdani
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To: kevcol

Not the family’s fault. The rules were written in cursive.


35 posted on 09/05/2013 11:56:24 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (Still crazy after all these beers.)
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To: kevcol
These stories always irritate me. There are moments in history where brave people have drawn a line in the sand (or a red line), and shouted "Give me liberty or give me death!"

IMO, a student being told to get a haircut or dress a specific way is not one of those moments.

36 posted on 09/05/2013 11:57:05 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: fungoking
More to your point I think there would be real resistance to not only funding but even permitting Muslim schools which operate on traditional lines.

I don't agree that a state is without power to regulate the schools operating on a voucher system as to teacher qualifications and course content. Nor do I believe that the state would be prohibited from delisting the schools in the event the students fail certain test levels.

As a conservative with a pesky libertarian streak, my libertarian side wants the state to have no control over what a parent decides his child should be taught or the method. But by conservative practical side tells me that the culture, especially the African-American ghetto, has deteriorated to such a degree that those choices simply have to to be controlled for the good of the child, for the good of the culture, and for the good of the body politic.


37 posted on 09/05/2013 11:57:56 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
But by conservative practical side tells me that the culture, especially the African-American ghetto, has deteriorated to such a degree that those choices simply have to to be controlled for the good of the child, for the good of the culture, and for the good of the body politic.

It is controlled, by the radical left that is reinforcing all the bad behaviors.

38 posted on 09/05/2013 12:03:21 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Wiser now
We are inclined to let the state impose questions of taste on our children when they enlist in the Marine Corps but we are not as the descendents of Concord and Lexington inclined to let the state control us in matters of personal taste in our everyday civilian lives.

There is nothing people like Mayor Bloomberg would like better than to literally control us in matters of taste-tastebuds that is. If we permit the state to intrude and tell us about our hairstyles as children what is to prevent them from dictating hairstyles to us as adults? Moreover, we would be less likely to resist these intrusions of the state because we will have "got used to it" as children.

God help us.


39 posted on 09/05/2013 12:07:40 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

“...The problem is the same people who think they know better about dreadlocks are terrified of the idea of the parents actually controlling their children...”

Smartly stated!


40 posted on 09/05/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: trisham

I’m so glad to be out of the “education” racket. This is the mindset you get.


41 posted on 09/05/2013 12:15:07 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: kevcol
"Ve vill all have shaved heads, exactly ze same uniforms and never speak!"

PC to the extreme...live with it or die.

FMCDH(BITS)

42 posted on 09/05/2013 12:18:51 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nathanbedford
If we permit the state to intrude and tell us about our hairstyles as children what is to prevent them from dictating hairstyles to us as adults? Moreover, we would be less likely to resist these intrusions of the state because we will have "got used to it" as children.

Well said. There are many on FR who profess to be skeptical or against government intrusion into their lives but get severely weak in the knees when the government (i.e. public schools) mandates silly dress codes.

The educational system is about conformity -- sit down, be quiet, raise your hand, don't think outside the box, etc.

Wittingly or unwittingly, unreasonable school dress codes grease the skids for future conformity.

But, then, it appears there are many here who are just fine with government telling their kids how to dress.

43 posted on 09/05/2013 12:21:00 PM PDT by gdani
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To: kevcol

Here’s a photo fron the school’s website under their ‘Vision’ section.
Are these not dreadlocks?
http://www.dbcschool.org/images/snapshot_2.jpg


44 posted on 09/05/2013 12:28:14 PM PDT by bramps (Obama, Democrats, and Planned Parenthood: The biggest fans of chemical weapons on the planet)
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To: bramps

No, those are braids.


45 posted on 09/05/2013 12:32:12 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: donmeaker

“Dreadlocks are indeed a natural hair style.” In the ‘Hood, but not in the civilized part of our society.

“Combed hair is unnatural, but acceptable.” Look around, if you live in a civilized society, it is the natural way hair is kept.

“Cleanliness is a different issue, but dreds can be clean, or not. Clean hair is not natural, but acceptable.” Name a civilization where dirty hairy is the natural way hair is kept.


46 posted on 09/05/2013 12:43:35 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (SWAT stands for Storing Weapons for patriots to Attack Tyranny.)
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To: gdani
As one FReeper said on this thread, "I am conflicted" because I understand how fragile and how precious individual liberty is and how aggressive the state can be in stealing it from us. I am conflicted because I see the school system as trying to compensate for the failures of the culture much as we ask our police to compensate for the failures of our culture and our society. These two institutions are not necessarily equipped to play these roles and that might explain, for example, why the police are so reluctant to engage into marital disputes.

As one who has studied the Frankfurt School and concluded that it is true, and not a conspiracy theory as the left insists, that the Frankfurt School set out to undermine those elements of society which bind together and coherently resist the seductions of communism. Those institutions which the left incessantly undermines includes the family, especially the authority of the father, the church, the Armed Forces, the rule of law and the courts, and, of course, education.

They have succeeded brilliantly in education but they have also succeeded in undermining the rest of the culture. When you have ghetto bastardy rates at 75% you have a disintegrating culture. So we send those illegitimate kids to our schools and ask the schools to undo what the culture has done to them. What does the school system do? It tries to instill conformity because that is a bureaucratic reaction. What do bureaucrats do? They suspend kids from the first grade for drawing pictures of firearms and have them arrested for kissing a girl in kindergarten.

It is not entirely the bureaucrats' fault, they must conduct themselves according to the lowest common denominator. So if we have an element of society disintegrating in our midst we cannot distinguish between a black kid in the ghetto from a fatherless home and a nice Jewish nerd in the suburbs bound for the Ivy League. We must treat them all the same and that means we must restrict the freedom of the tractable equally with the incorrigible.

What do we conservatives call for? Some sort of order and decency in the culture so that we can have a free society which can only come from an orderly and decent society. So we are inclined to ask for schools to compensate for the values that don't come from the church, the family, or the neighborhood. Like the police called to a marital dispute, the institution is not equipped to be a parent and a priest. That is even more true than it was in my father's generation when kids read from the McGuffey's reader and every lesson was a parable. Today, even where the school might do some good advancing ethics and morals, it has been diverted to the service of The Frankfurt School.


47 posted on 09/05/2013 12:45:58 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: grania
It's a common problem. Parents sign their kids up for a better education, then behave just as they did when their kids were in public schools and didn't learn.

Yes! Thank you! This is why schools fail. Failing kids are removed from their failing home school, placed in "successful" schools with vouchers and school-of-choice schemes and then bring their enormous attitudes, gang affiliations, and poor work habits and pretty soon, your successful school is now a failing school.

It's NOT the schools that are failing, it's the KIDS who are failing, of their own volition.

48 posted on 09/05/2013 12:52:22 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Mr. K

Rules don’t apply to the special people.


49 posted on 09/05/2013 12:53:30 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot
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To: Balding_Eagle

Civilization has little to do with hair style.

I have lived in the ‘hood’. There are problems, but hair styles is not on my list of the top 100. You may have different priorities.


50 posted on 09/05/2013 12:54:24 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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