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CALIFORNIA SLIDING DOWN A SLIPPERY GUN-CONTROL SLOPE
Human Events ^ | 9/5/2013 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 09/05/2013 5:25:06 PM PDT by neverdem

SACRAMENTO — Supporters of the latest spate of gun-control bills that will soon make their way to the governor’s desk insist they only are trying to close “loopholes” and that they won’t deprive Californians of their right to bear arms.

But to peer at the future of gun ownership in California, one might look at policies the state is undertaking now. “In California, officials are ramping up a unique program that identifies and seizes guns from people who are prohibited from keeping them,” according to a recent National Public Radio story.

The piece detailed the California’s Department of Justice’s APPs (Armed and Prohibited Persons) program that sends armed agents to the doors of Californians “who at one time purchased firearms legally, but have since run afoul of the law.” It’s a first-in-the-nation program by which state officials cross-reference government crime databases.

An agent might show up at the door of a person who legally purchased a gun, but was later deemed mentally ill or was convicted of domestic violence.

The Legislature is making this program even more muscular. A newly signed law, passed with bipartisan support, provided additional resources for APPs. A widely supported bill would require gun owners to secure their firearms if they live with someone on the banned list.

Most people are happy to see guns kept out of the hands of dangerous felons, but Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, says the list is so poorly maintained that many people on the list shouldn’t be on it and that only a third of the people on the list are convicted felons. Gun owners fear that eventually the Department of Justice could use registration lists to raid the homes of law-abiding owners of recently banned weapons.

Looking at the myriad gun bills, it’s clear that the Legislature is doing more than chipping away at gun ownership. “It’s the most all-encompassing gun grab that’s happened in California since 1982,” when Prop. 15 was on the ballot to freeze handgun purchases, Paredes said. Active bills would add types of semi-automatic weapons to the list of banned weapons, require background checks for ammunition purchases, add certification requirements for purchases of rifles and shotguns, and expand the list of offenses that bar the legal ownership of firearms. Democrats are pushing an aggressive package they call the LIFE Act.

Another controversial bill would halt the use of lead ammunition by 2019, mainly for environmental reasons. Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, R-Twin Peaks, said the bill could ban hunting given that non-lead ammo runs afoul of federal laws banning armor-piercing bullets. An amendment seems to have fixed that problem, but there’s no question it adds burdens and costs.

Although moderate Democrats from places such as the Central Valley often support gun rights, the leadership’s policy appears to be death by 1,000 cuts. “They never get enough,” said Chuck Michel, a Long Beach attorney who represents gun-rights groups. “California is the living slippery slope.”

Gun-rights activists have been calling legislators, but they must ultimately rely on Gov. Jerry Brown, which is not an enviable position. And even if he uses the veto pen, it’s only a matter of time before more bills move forward. The gun-control movement views California as the petri dish for the nation. A February article in lefty Mother Jones argues that “the new laws might do for guns what California’s pollution and fuel economy rules did for the nation’s automobiles.”

Dave Kopel, a scholar at the conservative Independent Institute in Colorado, sees hope in the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment. That’s the post-Civil War amendment that applies the Bill of Rights to states — even, he said, “when those rights were violated by extremists and bigots who took control of [Southern] legislatures.” But the courts haven’t rushed in to save Californians from their own legislators, which explains growing pessimism among pro-gun activists.

The situation reminds me of The Offspring song, “The Future Is Now,” which asked: “Now who’s knock, knocking at your door?” If the slope keeps slipping, the person knocking could soon be an agent from the California Department of Justice, seeking your recently banned weapon.

Steven Greenhut is the California columnist for U-T San Diego. Write to him at steven.greenhut@utsandiego.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 09/05/2013 5:25:07 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Steve Van Doorn; Syncro; ProtectOurFreedom; vrwc1; Citizen James; abigail2; ...
BANG!
2 posted on 09/05/2013 5:27:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

Traitors everywhere we look.


3 posted on 09/05/2013 5:29:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: neverdem
An agent might show up at the door of a person who legally purchased a gun, but was later deemed mentally ill or was convicted of domestic violence.

and the next step will be to take the guns out of a home that has ANYBODY in it who has been deemed 'mentally ill' by the all knowing state.

4 posted on 09/05/2013 5:30:02 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: neverdem

Short of some unlikely relief from SCOTUS, Californians in the not too distant future will effectively lose most of their 2A rights.


5 posted on 09/05/2013 5:31:50 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: umgud

They arent losing them.They’re surrendering them.


6 posted on 09/05/2013 5:33:15 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: neverdem

Well, there’s still the 2nd Amendment. I hope conservative legal foundations are gearing up.


7 posted on 09/05/2013 5:37:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: neverdem

This stuff might be all I need to “pull the trigger” and move out of Kalifornia. It’s really getting nutso out here. Stevie666


8 posted on 09/05/2013 5:39:00 PM PDT by szweig (HYHEY!! (Have You Had Enough Yet))
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To: Lurker
They arent losing them.They’re surrendering them.

We're a microcosm of the country - some of us have done our part to reverse the slide, there're just too many others who are comfortable with where we're headed.

9 posted on 09/05/2013 5:39:20 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Jim Robinson

In a special election held on October 10, 1911, California became the 10th state to adopt the initiative process. That year, Governor Hiram Johnson began his term by promising to give citizens a tool they could use to adopt laws and constitutional amendments without the support of the Governor or the Legislature. The new Legislature put a package of constitutional amendments on the ballot that placed more control of California politics directly into the hands of the people. This package included the ability to recall elected officials, the right to repeal laws by referendum, and the ability to enact state laws by initiative.

The initiative is the power of the people of California to propose statutes and to propose amendments to the California Constitution. (Cal. Const., art. II, § 8(a).) Generally, any matter that is a proper subject of legislation can become an initiative measure; however, no initiative measure addressing more than one subject area may be submitted to the voters or have any effect. (Cal. Const., art. II, §§ 8(d) and 12.) An initiative measure is placed on the ballot after its proponents successfully satisfy the requirements described in this guide.

For historical information regarding initiative measures, please refer to The History of California Initiatives, which is produced by the Secretary of State. For current information about initiative measures that are in circulation or have qualified for the next statewide ballot, please refer to our website at: www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm or contact the Elections Division at (916) 657-2166.


10 posted on 09/05/2013 5:44:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: neverdem
(Art.)An agent might show up at the door of a person who legally purchased a gun, but was later deemed mentally ill or was convicted of domestic violence.

Hillary's VAWA -- a deliberately nasty piece of business. Practically every male divorcee is now debarred the possession of arms, thanks to Hillary, through a provision of VAWA that makes every misdemeanor against women, and every temporary restraining order against a man (routine in divorces -- automatic TRO against the husband) an instantaneous violation of federal firearms law.

Down comes the divorce-court judge's gavel to grant the TRO -- and BANG, you're automatically and instantaneously a federal felon for owning a gun. No grace period, no time, no chance. Screw you.

No, really -- Hillary did that. And the Emerson case was the Clintons's lovingly-laid-out "test case" to establish case law to undergird Hillary's invasion of the Fifth and Fourteenth (and Second, of course!) Amendment rights of husbands and men everywhere. Hateful bitch.

11 posted on 09/05/2013 5:57:32 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: smokingfrog
The problem with initiative-and-referendum in California is the deracination of the entire electorate by runaway chain migration. The population is mostly noncitizens, or "galvanized citizens" given citizenship fraudulently; and their interests seem to be mostly adverse to those of the People of the United States. They know little or nothing about American law and history and they care even less.
12 posted on 09/05/2013 6:00:55 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: uncitizen

Firearms Confiscation Agent will replace Lumberjack as the most dangerous occupation.


13 posted on 09/05/2013 6:06:29 PM PDT by Misterioso (Was born an atheist 76 years ago and haven't changed my mind.)
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To: neverdem
The good decent people should leave California. All twelve of them.
14 posted on 09/05/2013 6:17:34 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: smokingfrog

And with the liberals firmly entrenched here in la-la land, we’re basically screwed.


15 posted on 09/05/2013 6:19:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Traitors need to be shot.


16 posted on 09/05/2013 6:20:39 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Jim Robinson

Last true American out, please grab the flag.


17 posted on 09/05/2013 6:28:38 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: BigCinBigD
The good decent people should leave California. All twelve of them.

FR is headquartered in California, and California FReepers are consistently first or second in FReepathon donations.

18 posted on 09/05/2013 6:29:35 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: neverdem

American criminals now migrating to CA where the picking will become easy and rich.


19 posted on 09/05/2013 6:32:29 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I think people forget how large this state is and just how many conservatives actually live here.


20 posted on 09/05/2013 6:35:31 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: szweig
Come to Boise. We need good, right-thinking people to offset the influx of Leftist Commiefornians over the last two decades. Not much scuba here, but beautiful roads to ride. Real estate's dirt cheap, too.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

21 posted on 09/05/2013 7:15:00 PM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: Carry_Okie

“FR is headquartered in California, and California FReepers are consistently first or second in FReepathon donations.”

That’s a lot of work and money for Twelve people.


22 posted on 09/05/2013 7:19:32 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: neverdem

Kalifornia voters support this as well as all the up coming tax increases so I figured it was only a matter of time. Kind of surprised it took so long for these to make it to Moonbeams desk, must have had problems with the spell checker or something. Wish I was moving out but that’s for another day, still trapped in LA.


23 posted on 09/05/2013 7:30:16 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Lurker

It’s hard to fight demographics. There simply aren’t enough conservatives left in California. The state’s white population is relatively liberal. And Hispanics and Asians are not now, nor are they likely to ever be Second Amendment supporters.


24 posted on 09/05/2013 7:46:32 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: BigCinBigD
Most of the people who leave California are white liberals.

They move to Portland and Seattle and Las Vegas and Colorado and instantly try to convert their new home into the same political black hole they just moved away from.

25 posted on 09/05/2013 11:25:59 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: uncitizen

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


26 posted on 09/05/2013 11:48:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: szweig
This stuff might be all I need to “pull the trigger” and move out of Kalifornia.

Left two months ago ...after 65 years living in the state. Beyond repair with one-party rule.

27 posted on 09/05/2013 11:58:32 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier
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To: neverdem

Bumpin’ another attempted step towards the take over of America.


28 posted on 09/06/2013 10:30:50 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: neverdem

This is one of the main reasons this born & raised Californian is leaving the state!


29 posted on 09/08/2013 7:07:06 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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