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President Obama could lose big on Syria in House
Politico ^ | Sept 5, 2013 | By JOHN BRESNAHAN and JAKE SHERMAN

Posted on 09/05/2013 7:05:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big.

That’s the private assessment of House Republican and Democratic lawmakers and aides who are closely involved in the process.

If the Senate passes a use-of-force resolution next week — which is no sure thing — the current dynamics suggest that the House would defeat it. That would represent a dramatic failure for Obama, and once again prove that his sway over Congress is extraordinarily limited. The loss would have serious reverberations throughout the next three months, when Obama faces off against Congress in a series of high-stakes fiscal battles.

Several Republican leadership aides, who are counting votes but not encouraging a position, say that there are roughly one to two dozen “yes” votes in favor of military action at this time. The stunningly low number is expected to grow a bit.

But senior aides say they expect, at most, between 50 and 60 Republicans to vote with Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), who support the president’s plan to bomb Syria to stop Bashar Assad from using chemical weapons on his people. That would amount to less than one-third of the House Republican Conference.

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Vote it down! No American blood and treasure for Obama's treasonous Muslim Brotherhood alliance!!
1 posted on 09/05/2013 7:05:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Hopes so.

Whenever Hussein wins — America loses.


2 posted on 09/05/2013 7:06:43 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jim Robinson

FUJB!!


3 posted on 09/05/2013 7:07:25 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama, America's own Perkin Warbeck..)
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To: Jim Robinson

If Congress says no, and Obama acts on his own anyway, he will be the rogue War Criminal the left always claimed that Bush was. Quite ironic, eh?


4 posted on 09/05/2013 7:10:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson
plan to bomb Syria to stop Bashar Assad from using chemical weapons

That's a slightly new twist... not only does it presume that Assad used WMDs, but it also presumes that bombing him would stop his use.

Pretty much more likely, of course, is that Assad did NOT used WMDs, and bombing would NOT stop the rebels from using them more, especially if Syria was bombed to stop Assad.

5 posted on 09/05/2013 7:10:54 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Jim Robinson

A Representative would have to be a total fool to vote for this resolution. Americans do not want to get involved in Syria. We saw what happened to Libya.


6 posted on 09/05/2013 7:12:45 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is EXACTLY the cover Obama now wants for NOT acting.

Obama is scared and incompetent.

He SHOULD have MOABed the stockpile LAST YEAR when both the Syrian Army AND the rebels accessed the storage facilities.

Now, Obama is AFRAID to act, but wants to blame Republicans for his lack of follow through.


7 posted on 09/05/2013 7:13:08 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Jim Robinson

good


8 posted on 09/05/2013 7:14:10 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wow!

That is tuff.

I can just imagine how difficult it is going to be for Obama to call all those nations in the coalition and tell them the gig is off.


9 posted on 09/05/2013 7:14:33 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Jim Robinson

But Debbie Wasserman Schultz says dozens of countries support Obama’s Syria bombing 100%

She’s not lying too, right?

/s


10 posted on 09/05/2013 7:15:06 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: TomGuy

Alll 10, er 9 of them you mean? IT’s a joke! Even the British AREN’T COMING!!!


11 posted on 09/05/2013 7:16:12 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Jim Robinson

“senior aides say they expect, at most, between 50 and 60 Republicans to vote with Speaker John Boehner”

Nope. If this vote fails, and it is looking increasingly likely, Cantor and Boehner will be finished. There will be nothing to fear from them. If the momentum continues to ebb away from Obama, the ‘moderates’ will peel to vote with the majority.

I doubt they’ll get 40 Republicans in the end.


12 posted on 09/05/2013 7:16:19 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Jim Robinson

Either way, the ignorant graduate of Ethnic Studies will blame the Republicans. It’s a win-win for him.


13 posted on 09/05/2013 7:16:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: C210N

You are right, there’s some jokers in the media where we are also told this wasn’t the first time he used Chemical Weapons. That to me, isn’t proven either, it’s the old adage how does it go? The bigger the lie, the big lie syndrome.

Anyway, I’ve listen to Jason Lewis the last few nights, he seems to say Nasser used chemical weapons against Yemen. Of course, it’s wrong, I think the point Lewis was making was Sadat may have been involved in that whole incident too. History from some time ago. Maybe someone here knows.


14 posted on 09/05/2013 7:17:58 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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President Obama could lose big on Syria in House


15 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:08 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: tcrlaf
If Congress says no, and Obama acts on his own anyway, he will be the rogue War Criminal the left always claimed that Bush was. Quite ironic, eh?

And of course that fact will be completely ignored by most of the dishonest left and especially by the MSM who would crawl naked on glass to support him.

16 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:11 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: G Larry

I’m willing to give Obama PLENTY of cover for not acting.
We should have “not acted” in Libya. We should supported Mubarak in Egypt. Everything we’ve touched in the ME has turned to crap. We need to stop adventuring and diplomacy there for a good long while.


17 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:11 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Jim Robinson

18 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes, vote it down.

Infowars has an article saying that Obama attacks anyway even if the House votes it down.

Sounds like Congress needs to be ready for what to do, not that I know what that necessarily is, if Obama attacks Syria after a House rejection of a Syria attack.

19 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:47 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: BenLurkin

And the opposite: when Hussein loses, we win.
He was so anxious to start loosing missiles .... If he had been in charge on 12/7/41, he would have asked Congress for a declaration of war against Thailand.
(Who?)
The rest of the world is finally starting to figure out what we’ve been yelling about for years:
“Welcome to the party pal!” John McLane


20 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:49 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Jim Robinson

21 posted on 09/05/2013 7:19:01 PM PDT by South40
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To: Jim Robinson

America should not shed one drop of blood for Al Qaeda. No American should die supporting any jihadist group anywhere.

Also, Supporting the rebels in Syria is supporting the ethnic cleansing of Syrian Christians.


22 posted on 09/05/2013 7:20:43 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson

He’s losing supporters now. This just came up on twitter.

Rep. Michael Grimm repmichaelgrimm 8h

Today, I withdrew support for a #Syria strike. Constituents oppose, too many delays, costs outweigh benefits.


23 posted on 09/05/2013 7:21:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama will never lose big, “the world will lose big.”


24 posted on 09/05/2013 7:21:57 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Jim Robinson

There is more and more coming out that it was Obama’s friends who used chemical weapons and more than once. Also that our administration may have had prior knowledge. This whole thing stinks to high heavens and may be our next big scandal.
The Dems thought we conservatives would bite but are getting a big surprise. Shows how far the left will go to get more control.


25 posted on 09/05/2013 7:22:58 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Little Ray

I’d rather see congress Approve the strike and then watch Obama have to make the call to back down all alone.


26 posted on 09/05/2013 7:23:14 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the Congress critters in the House vote like the people they represent want them to vote it will be an overwhelming defeat for Obama.

Boehner and Cantor are traitors for supporting this.


27 posted on 09/05/2013 7:23:39 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: xzins

A Syrian protester in Detroit last week said that his mother in Syria has barely left her house in 18 months. He said things weren’t great but she never feared going shopping under Assad.


28 posted on 09/05/2013 7:24:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: G Larry

He didn’t act because he already knew it was his friends.


29 posted on 09/05/2013 7:25:21 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Jim Robinson
CNN had a town hall style format tonight discussing this "Syria Crisis" with about 60+ in the audience.

When asked to raise their hands if in favor of military action by the US in Syria, not a single hand was raised.

And this was a hand picked CNN crowd.

30 posted on 09/05/2013 7:26:02 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Jim Robinson

31 posted on 09/05/2013 7:26:12 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: TomGuy
I can just imagine how difficult it is going to be for Obama to call all those nations in the coalition and tell them the gig is off.

No, Obama will order the initiation of World War Three anyways.

He's completely, narcissistic-bats**t crazy.

He's backed into a corner of his own making, ergo WE are responsible. He created this mess, ergo WE made it happen. The whole world told him NO, including America, ergo HE will immediately proceed.

Do not underestimate his insanity, nor his abject evil.

32 posted on 09/05/2013 7:26:59 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I just hope there’s a plan to stop this monster if he still decides to go ahead because so far no one has affirmatively stepped up and called him and his administration out for being the lying son’s of a bitches that they are.


33 posted on 09/05/2013 7:27:25 PM PDT by bramps (Obama, Democrats, and Planned Parenthood: The biggest fans of chemical weapons on the planet)
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To: Jim Robinson
OK, so it passes if the dems hold together with 20 pubs on board.

Reminds me of a line from Tennessee William's Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. "I smell the reek of mendacity, don't you?"

34 posted on 09/05/2013 7:27:40 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s time to impeach this bastard

He’s given the nation many many grounds for impeachment .

Who are the courageous ones in Congress to get that process going ?

Enough already . Truly .....enough !


35 posted on 09/05/2013 7:27:57 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Jim Robinson
Not just no but HELL NO!

Short-leash the sumbitch. Should have been done long ago.

36 posted on 09/05/2013 7:28:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Girlene
Members of Congress -- especially in the GOP -- are effectively caught between the political pressure from their constituents and the financial pressure from their lobbyists.

Good luck with that one, fellas.

37 posted on 09/05/2013 7:28:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Jim Robinson

It would be so sweet to see at least one house of Congress vote down Hussein’s horrible anti-Christian war by a HUGE margin!!!!

By the prayers of the Theotokos, O Lord, defeat the schemes of the wicked!!!!


38 posted on 09/05/2013 7:29:45 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: cripplecreek

Where are all those liberals worried about ethnic cleansing in Bosnia?


39 posted on 09/05/2013 7:29:48 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson
If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big.

But the House isn't voting today.

Are they?

They'll vote AFTER the propaganda war escalates, the MSM and Hollywood bedazzle the massses, and the NSA intercepts of each and every Republican Congresscritter are ready to be faxed to CNN.

40 posted on 09/05/2013 7:29:58 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: bramps

Russia has.


41 posted on 09/05/2013 7:31:10 PM PDT by DeWalt
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Kerry has already said that Arab money is available for the USA if we take out Assad.

What if OPEC is threatening to abandon the US dollar for the oil markets? Once they pull this card out of the house of cards, the gig is up. Imagine the US dollar no longer the dominant world currency.


42 posted on 09/05/2013 7:35:53 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Jim Robinson

43 posted on 09/05/2013 7:36:04 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: listenhillary

Then we get our idiots in congress to build the dam pipeline and go with domestic oil and the Saudis gig is up.


44 posted on 09/05/2013 7:38:51 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: All

The only way to stop him if congress votes him down is for the military brass to tell him, in private so he can save face, that they will not obey an illegal order. I won’t hold my breath.


45 posted on 09/05/2013 7:38:57 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, one thing I am thinking about is if the new allegations that either the US or Israel or both in perhaps even consultations with say the Saudis, literally modified the original communications with the Syrian military regarding the August 21st release of CW upon the Syrian population, within the Capital's perimeter, THAT, this becomes how should I say ballistic within both Houses of Congress.

That this whole episode will quickly come to an end and both sides of the Congress will turn to more important things like strongly considering impeachment of the Kenyan.

It's a sad day in Hell when this Freeper starts to actually believe what the Russians have been elucidating about on this issue, as having some merit.

Please do not feel obligated to respond. I'm just voicing some things I believe may have some merit to consider.
46 posted on 09/05/2013 7:41:36 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Who are the courageous ones
in Congress to get that process going ?
certainly; not the GOP Congressional Leadership, a bunch abject (Establishment) cowards.
none of them, worth a $h¡t.

47 posted on 09/05/2013 7:42:16 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: listenhillary
Screw the Arabs.

It was our technology that brought them oil and without our purchase and refining capabilities they’d be back shaking their cups for coins. There is no reason to be held hostage by people barely a step above Neanderthals.

48 posted on 09/05/2013 7:43:00 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: C210N

After listening to views from various people about current events that actually live or work in Syria, reading lots of news articles, and reviewing facts and aspects of the Syrian Saga including the Benghazi Betrayal I feel that there is a good posibility that Assad might have been setup so that he could be ousted because he would not allow natural gas companies in Qatar to lay pipes across Syria. Add to that, that natural gas is believed, by many in the industry, to be the next big thing and that Qatar paid 3 billion to the Syrian rebels that Chris Stevens was reportedly supplying arms to for the CIA AND the fact that ths very Seal Team 6 members that took Osama bin Laden were killed during the Benghazi debacle and it makes you wonder. It certainly makes scratch my head and I’m a skeptic by nature. I guess its not paranoia if it’s real...


49 posted on 09/05/2013 7:43:07 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: VerySadAmerican

www.senate.gov

www.house.gov

Keep the pressure on. Make the calls. Send the emails.

These clowns are bound and determined to start a war with their “limited action”, which will spiral out of control like the beginning of WWI 99 years ago.

Not bombing Syria will save more lives than if we do bomb them.

Seriously.


50 posted on 09/05/2013 7:43:31 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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