Skip to comments.An open letter to the Honorable Eric K. Shinseki from Master Sergeant Robert Bowman
Posted on 09/06/2013 6:48:22 AM PDT by SLB
An open letter to the Honorable Eric K. Shinseki from Master Sergeant Robert Bowman
Dear Honorable Shinseki,
Good afternoon. My name is Master Sergeant Robert Thomas Bowman, I am a Veteran of 24+ years of service in the Army, and I retire in less than a month (1 October 2013). I have been involved in the VA claims process since 14 February 2013, and today (3 September 2013) I am writing you to describe to you how this process has gone for me and how I perceive the VA at this point. I will preface all my commentary by saying that despite the problems I have had, I am still one of the lucky ones. I am not physically disfigured from my service, am capable of working, and during my time in the Army I was fairly responsible with my finances and am not currently in any duress due to the VA disability compensation program and how slow things are moving. I could not imagine what it must be like for a young Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine who has served multiple combat tours in service of their country, cannot work because of their disabilities, has a family, and is waiting on this process to be completed to be able to pay their bills. It is criminal that our Veterans are having to deal with this nonsense, and I hold you personally responsible for everything they (and I) are being put through by YOUR organization.
I have been in a leadership position in the Army since 1993. One of the first things you learn as a leader is that you are personally responsible for what your Soldiers do or fail to do. If one of your Soldiers does not show up for duty the leader is called. If a Soldier is being given non-judicial punishment, the leader is right there with them. A leader accepts responsibility when their organization fails, fixes the problem, or is replaced. Leaders in the military are relieved every day for the failures of their troops. You have been in charge of the VA since 21 January 2009. That is coming up on four years. You have had four years to fix this mess and it has not happened. All of my dealings with the VA have been nothing short of horrible. Nothing has happened in a timely manner. The operators that handle customer service are surly and rude. The claims handlers are uninformed, overworked, and impossible to contact. I have been told a different story on how my case would progress EVERY SINGLE TIME I have talked to anyone from your organization. Every single time. I could understand once or twice, but every time? How is that possible? What kind of organization are you running? My packet has been turned in for over seven months and I cannot even get an answer on if my packet still exists!! Unfathomable.
The last straw for me was today. I turned my packet in to the VA under the quick start program. As far as I understood and was told, the intent of the program was to get my appointments with the VA doctors to adjudicate my claims prior to my actual retirement date in order to receive benefits as soon after I retire as possible. Today I was told that program no longer exists, I could not do any of the newer programs (such as the fully developed claims program), and nothing would be done on my case until 30-60 (at a minimum) days AFTER my retirement. I was not notified that I was no longer in the quick start program. I was not given any option to enroll in a quicker process to receive my benefits. I would have never even known this was happening if I hadnt of called the customer service representative to inquire about an inquiry I placed about my claim on the 6th of August.
In summary, here are the issues that I have not been able to receive any sort of response from the VA:
1. Does my packet still exist? I have received nothing from the VA since 18 March 2013, almost six months. I was told I would be done by this time, not waiting to start.
2. Why can I not get a straight, honest, and correct answer about ANYTHING? From day 1 the VA personnel that I have spoken to have been totally wrong on everything.
3. What happened to the quick start program and why am I no longer in it? I was when I put my packet in. I received no notice that I would no longer be in the program, so what happened.
4. If indeed the quick start program is gone like the customer service representative told me (despite the fact it is still listed on the VA website), why am I not eligible for another program?
5. Lastly, who is responsible for this mess, and why have they not been held accountable?
I realized when I started this process that it would test my patience, but I had no idea it would be this bad of an experience. I did decide from the beginning of this process to keep meticulous notes to document my journey. I am going to give you a synapsis of my experience to help you fully understand what an average service member has to go through to get to the ultimate goal in this process: a completed compensation case. Im sure you believe you know what this process entails, but I assure you that you do not. Here is my journey, from its start to my current status.
First week of February 2013: Called the Ft. Jackson VA representative to set up appointment to start my claims process. It took several days of trying to contact Mr. Ferguson on the phone (803)751-6071, as his email address was unobtainable. The day I was finally able to contact Mr. Ferguson, it took me 6 tries to get an answer. My appointment was set up for 14 February 2013.
14 February 2013: My initial appointment with Mr. Ferguson. I had to come in person despite the fact that my duty station was almost 2 hours from Ft. Jackson. Once I arrived at Mr. Fergusons office, the appointment took 10 minutes, and everything could have been done telephonically, which would have saved me almost 4 hours of driving. After receiving the list of documentation the VA needed from me (which included everything from birth certificates to marriage licenses to social security cards to bank direct deposit info) I asked Mr. Ferguson why the VA could not just access my DEERS to get all the information he needed, and he stated that the VA computer system is incapable of talking to the DOD computer system to get that info. So despite the fact that I already have had to document my family to receive ANY of the benefits I was currently receiving from the Army, I had to do it all over again for the VA. Also, my direct deposit information that the DOD has had for over 20 years was not good enough. I had to do it again. And an addendum to that, of course when the data was entered into the VA system, and I checked my EBenefits account, it was wrong. I had to go in and fix it myself.
28 February 2013: When I arrived for my next appointment, Mr. Ferguson was not there. Mr. Christopher Briggman was there in his stead. I turned in ALL the documentation requested and all my medical documentation (copies of course), and received a handwritten receipt for what was basically everything that encompassed my whole life. Handwritten. Mr. Briggman took all my documentation and told me to expect to start receiving Dr. appointments to verify my claims by July. He gave the following phone # (803)776-4000 to call to check if I hadnt started getting my appointments by July. Mr. Briggman also told me to expect to see my updated status on EBenefits in 2-3 weeks.
14 Mach 2013: With my concern mounting over my lack of any contact from the VA, I called Mr. Ferguson to inquire as to what I should do next. I called four times over the course of the day, leaving one message and never getting an answer or response.
15 March 2013: I called the phone # Mr. Briggman gave me to inquire about my pending appointments. I got no answer from any of the patient representatives. The representatives (all 6) didnt answer or return calls when a message was left. The names and #s are as follows: (803)776-4000, ext. 6879 for Michelle Hays; ext. 7570 for Margaret Lockett (actually she answered and promptly hung up, then did not answer when I tried again); ext. 6879 for Kathryn Dixon; ext. 7679 for Nat Gentry; ext. 7696 for Mia Gentry; and ext. 7696 for Evetta Gregg. I encourage anyone who has a free day to try to call any of these #s and get an answer or a response, because I did not.
18 March 2013: Today I received a letter (my only one to date) from the VA to tell me that they are still processing my application for compensation. The name at the bottom of the letter is K. Pfanzelter, and the contact # on the sheet was (800)-827-1000. Little did I know that phone # is not an actual contact #, but it is the catch all # for all problems VA related.
27 March 2013: 28 days after I turn my paperwork in, and 9 days after I get the letter from the VA, EBenefits shows I have a claim in. Paper notice before electronic? What? I also called the # Mr. Briggman gave me to check on my appointments again (803)776-4000. I do not get through on the first try. Second try the operator, an extremely unpleasant woman, put me on hold for 6 minutes. She told me I am not enrolled in the hospital there, and transfers me to someone else. After 20 minutes, the line switches to a voice mail inbox, and the inbox is full and not taking any new messages. Then it hangs up on me. After 30+ minutes I have to start over again. I call back and this time get a new operator who has no clue what to do with me, so she transfers me to the voice mail of Brian Terrell (ext. 7471). I leave a message.
28 March 2013: Mr. Terrell calls me back. It turns out this is the wrong number to call. Mr. Briggman gave me the # to the actual VA hospital in Columbia, who will have nothing to do with me until my claim is done and I actually need treatment. Terrell also told me not to expect any appointments until late summer. Terrell was a jerk on the phone as well.
5 April 2013: I call the catch all VA # (800)827-1000 to try to find any possible information about my pending appointments. I go through the automated process, pushing option 1, then 0, then 4, which gets you to the compensation line. It hangs up on me. The automated operator says all lines are busy call back another time, then hangs up. Then it does it again. Then I get through to an automated system that tells me I have the wrong number, gives me the number I just called, then hangs up on me. I try again. After 20+ minutes on hold, I get a customer service rep. She was pleasant, but told me no way I will see any appointments until July.
6 August 2013: I wait all summer for anything from the VA about my appointments for evaluation. Nothing comes and no calls or emails about appointments. I call the 1-800 number several times and just get the automated hang up message. Finally I get through and the options are hold 30 minutes or leave a call back message. I leave a call back message and surprisingly after about 40 minutes Dwayne calls me back. There is nothing new in the system in reference to my appointments for evaluation. I ask why I havent received any notification as of yet and Dwayne cannot see why that would be the case. I ask if there is any way to even verify if my packet actually exists in the VA system. After all the horror stories about lost packets I am very concerned about my documentation that I had so painstakingly had compiled, and was worried it had been lost. As a capper to it all, my case is being handled by the infamous Winston-Salem office. Yes, thats the one that had the structural integrity of the building compromised by the sheer mass of packets they had on hand. Below is a picture of said office. I think I see my packet in their somewhere!
Dwayne was very helpful though. He understood my concern and suggested I try an inquiry to the Winston-Salem office to see where my paperwork was, and if indeed it did exist. So I said Sure, I would love to do that! How do I go about getting one done? Now here is the kicker. Dwayne says he can initiate one and I should get a call in 10 working days, and then gives me a tracking number (130806-001664). So all of those other times I had called, not one operator suggested doing an inquiry into the whereabouts of my packet. Not one. They dont tell you about this in the briefings.
3 September 2013: No call from the Winston-Salem office yet, so I subject myself to the 1-800 line and the merciless automated hang-up operator. She (It, I guess) hangs up on me three times before I get the chance to hold 30 minutes or wait for a call back. I leave a message for a call back. Now you have to understand the problem with the call back system. After all the pain you go through just to get in the cue for the call back, the stupidest thing you could do is go about your business normally and wait for the call. That would be tempting fate. If you miss the call you have to go through the whole process again. So that means if you do get through and on the list for a call back, you dont move (you may accidentally encounter a cell dead zone and miss the call), you dont take any other calls, and you dont surf the internet in fear of candy crush possibly making you miss a call. You sit quietly and wait. Once again, the call came in at about the 30 minute mark of the wait. I did not get the name of the operator, but he was not as nice as Dwayne, and his news wasnt as uplifting either. Turns out my inquiry got cancelled. That is why there was never any call from Winston-Salem. It got cancelled because the Quick Start program got cancelled sometime while I was waiting for the call back. The quick start program is (was) a program to get a service member done with all of their appointments prior to the date they are actually out. Well at some point in the process over the summer, the customer service rep told me the program had been cancelled. Now my case will not even be looked at until after I am actually retired (1 October 2013). He said not to expect anything until a minimum of 30-60 days after I am officially retired. There are other new programs in place that are intended to speed up the process, like the Fully Developed Claim program. Well the customer service rep said I am not eligible for any other program because my claim was already turned in. So I went from initially expecting a call 3 weeks or so after I turned my packet in, to sometime in July, to late summer, to who knows when. Not only that, but the rep could not even tell me if the Winston- Salem office actually had my packet. He said there is no system in place to get that information, and I have to wait 30-60 days after my official retirement date before the time to worry about the packet comes.
So here we are today (3 September 2013) and I am out of patience. The VA cleverly hides any real way to contact anyone who can possibly help me with my claim. The VA website also says that BDD, or quick start program (contrary to what I was told), is still a method of submitting a claim.
Why did the customer service rep say something totally different? I do not understand and cannot seem to get a straight answer from anyone. I also cannot get a response from anyone at the VA who can actually help me or tell me what is actually going on with my claim.
Honorable Shinseki you are the leader of the Veterans Administration. You are responsible and beholden to ALL of the Veterans out there whose trust you have violated. If the VA was a unit you would have been relieved years ago. The Veterans did not decide to send us to war. We just fought it. You were the Chief of Staff of the United States Army when these latest wars were started. We put our trust in you as our Chief of Staff that you would know the best way to take care of us, both during the wars and after them, and that did not happen. As Chief of Staff of the Army you should have insured there would be systems in place to take care of our Veterans when they returned from fighting our countries wars. You did not do that. The VA has been overwhelmed from the beginning. There is a lot of attention given to what is being done now (belatedly) to fix this Gordian knot that is the backlogged VA claims, but virtually no questions have been asked as to why the system was not prepared for this when we went to war. Who is responsible for the Soldiers not being adequately taken care of? The Chiefs of Staff sent us to fight, but they did not make sure the government organizations that are supposed to support us after the wars were over were adequately prepared for what was coming. That was your job as the Army Chief of Staff, and you did not do it. Then you were placed in charge of the very organization you did not prepare for the tremendous task they would have of taking care of the millions of returning Veterans. Nearly four years later and the problem is still mind bogglingly huge. I keep reading how the backlog has shrunk over the last few months and the expectation is that belated progress somehow makes up for the mismanagement of the previous three plus years. You are ultimately responsible for this mess, starting when you were still on active duty, and continuing now with the most grossly mismanaged government organization our country has. The IRS handles many, many millions more people in a year than the VA does. Perhaps you should look into how they manage to handle over a hundred million returns a year in such a timely manner. I usually get my return back in two weeks. I wish I could say the same for my compensation claim.
While I am no hero, and certainly no Audie Murphy, I am a solid, dependable senior non-commissioned officer, the kind of guy who has helped keep the Army functional during all these years of conflict. All Soldiers deserve better than this. Your organization has let down a generation of our countrys finest, and as the leader of that organization, you have done the same. There are only two honorable options for you in my mind, and you have had nearly four years to fix this problem, and have not done so, so that option is out. That leaves you resigning from your position as Secretary of Veteran Affairs, and then apologizing to all the great Americans out there that have been affected by your inability to fix this God awful mess we are now in.
So to sum it all up, today I found out that not only am I no further along in my VA process than I was 200 days ago, I am actually BEHIND where I thought I was the day I turned my claim in. So congratulations to you Mr. Eric K. Shinseki, because while you have had no luck in helping the hundreds of thousands of service men and women who are waiting for a resolution to their claim, you have apparently been successful in inventing some sort of evil time machine whose sole purpose seems to be to completely crush the souls of all the Veterans out there who were expecting an expedient resolution to their VA claim. Bravo! My number is on file if you need to contact me.
P.S. I hated the beret.
MSG Robert T. Bowman
I know it is long, but I did not want to make an excerpt or post to the bloggers post so bear with it.
I have always felt that, despite my service in the Marines, I was financially able not to use any VA benefits that may have been due me so that others more worthy of those benefits would be treated first. While that may sound a tad altruistic, after this I can add that I don’t have to put up with them.
As for Master Sergeant Robert Thomas Bowman, thank you for your service.
Thank you for sharing this. I do believe that a high level of incompetency is nourished in these government agencies, in order to require many more employees, who no doubt have an enhanced degree of job security “to correct the problems”. The ineptitude also allows the agencies to complain that they do not have enough funding, and if they only had more money, things would improve.
Typical government employees, IOW. If you are a gov't employed FReeper and that shoe don't fit, please don't put it on!
MSG Bowman, thank you for your service to our country.
My wife & I are retired warrant officers. We did our initial signup with the local VA two years ago, in person. Our experience has been such that we will cling to our civilian care providers with a death grip. It is like the VA doesn’t exist except as a special needs jobsite for those on the opposite side of the counter.
Many do not like the VA in Denver. The VA at Cheyenne is completely different. I think part is the state the hospital is in. I talked to a disabled Marine that got his layoff notice with the Post Office. His boss was never in the military and she seemed to have little experience at anything. Military preference seems to be gone in the Post Office now. He called OPM and the woman there said “I can’t help you”
After hearing so many stories like this on FR, I am thankful for the outstanding care and service I receive from my VA clinic in Viera Florida. It’s a damn shame the high standards here do not prevail throughout the VA.
I remember when I was in the Navy they told us that if we contributed $1000 for VA education benefits, we could get $10,000 in tuition assistance upon separation, so I signed up for the program. When it came time to pay up, they rules were long complex and impossible to comply with. I didn’t see a dime of that money.
I also figured that maybe I could get a VA loan to help finance my first house. I figured that they would vouch for my previous eight years, but no. They told me I had to be in my current job for 2 years.
After that waste of time, I figured the VA was worse than nothing. It wasted my time with no benefits.
It is not possible to motivate somebody who’s wages are set, and who can NOT be fired.
The hard workers get the same raises as the slackers.
The libs like the sure votes, so they will never allow consequences for poor performance.
The VA initially called it a hiatal hernia (acid reflux). Not even close. So, after 6 YEARS of appeals, I finally got an appraisal I can live with. It still ain't right, but I am tired of the fight.
Thanks for posting this.
If you’re interested in a career with lots of exciting risk, the morbidity and mortality rates for mental health workers are off the charts compared to the military and law enforcement, AND compared to the military mental health workers have much better healthcare options post injury.
I’m a vet. I never have and never will consider using VA services. It’s a Federal bureaucracy. Bureaucracies evolve such that their stated mission is never their true mission: their true mission is the perpetuation of the bureaucracy, the expansion of the bureaucracy, and the acquisition of funding, benefits and power for their bureaucracy. The VA and its workers have your needs as a very, very distant concern, if at all, which it is not required to be. (And, of course, they can’t be fired.)
I’m also a doc working in a navy town rich in military and vets and their families. The VA here doesn’t seem to be geared up at all to get people well, and they are so obstructionistic towards the efforts of those of us who do strive to get people well that I simply have to turn down any patient who comes to me in the hope that I will coordinate my efforts with the VA’s docs/lab/pharmacy/etc.
Gee, what a surprise.
Slight correction. shackashevely or whatever the hell his name is has been in the position nearly 6 years not just over 4 years.
When he ran up the notion for troops to pay their own medical bills for wounds received in combat told the whole story about this horse’s butt.
How he got to be a general is baffling.
So what’s Shinseki going to do? Order the guy a new hat?
Great letter from an extremely gifted letter writer!!!
I believe the general was promoted under Clinton.
As for VA service I think this letter is from a whiner who has not adequately planned for his retirement.
At ETS he will receive his miliary pension, which apparently is just not good enough. So his ‘planning’ includes receiving VA benefits immediately at ETS when his case has not even been accepted or rated! And he’s a regular retirement, not a medical separation from Line of Duty injuries.
I’m getting really po-d at this drama queen. From his rant and level of self-centeredness it’s clear he’s a real piece of work. He laments the end of the Quick Start program which was probably the extent of his post-service financial planning. So in essence he believes he is still entitled to jump ahead of injured service members’ outstanding claims using THEM as a justification for his own accelerated processing!
The system is over-worked -as he acknowledges. Why then can he not realize and accept that an able-bodied retiree such as himself is a low priority claim? Aparently, judging by his obsessiveness, he has already spent the VA money -before even receiving the settlement percentage. Outstandingly short-sighted and irresponsible judgement.
He’d get better use of his time and energy at the base ACAP center looking for employment then harping on the VA in the name of injured veterans for his Kwik-Cash payouts for an able-bodied a-hole.
There sure are a lot of ASS umptions in your post.
The soldier was explaining the complete ineptness of the VA...an experience I and many others have gone through as well.
It’s not about “financial planning”, he was trying to do things according to the VA’s rules, rules they weren’t/aren’t following.
An extremely detailed account, names, dates, phone numbers, etc. An account that clearly demonstrates a level of patience and persistence, described by you as “whining”.
His pension will be offset by any VA benefits he receives. The only benefit to this is that he will see a reduced tax burden since VA disability isn’t taxable income.
I suppose that the many thousands of other vets who go through this purposeful maze should just suck it up? Quit their whining and be glad that they’re getting something at all?
Washington DC is an affirmative action quagmire. Total idiots hired too staff the VA and other agencies. Idiots who get their Federal job because they happen to be
It will only get worse because new hires are heavily drawn from the affirmative action (cess)pool of favored minorities and sexual orientations
I ran into a similar situation with the VA while trying to help a family member. It’s too long a story, but here’s the gist. The VA employee with whom I originally spoke was now unavailable because he was stationed to another part of the VA, and NOBODY could handle it but him.
After repeated calls and more shifting of the blame I wrote to the VA and included a letter I would write to the major local newspaper outlining the poor treatment of a man who had served his country with honor.
The next day I received a call from the VA and they had through some miracle fixed the problem. THEY HATE BAD PUBLICITY.
“I suppose that the many thousands of other vets who go through this purposeful maze should just suck it up? Quit their whining and be glad that theyre getting something at all?”
He’s able-bodied. He’s doing the ‘my S wouldn’t be this bad if I hadn’t joined the military’ compensation filing to get VA medical care $$$ vs Tricare plus the tax deduction. Complete BS. Intending to sponge off injured veterans’ benefits. It’s worse than the PV2 that gets VA disability for falling out the latrine window when he’s drunk.
I could care less what points his letter makes, his reasoning is all “me, me, me, me, me”. So good rationale is wasted on self-centered intent. WTF makes his claim more important than the outstanding claims of Line of Duty injured and incapacitated vets? His sense of self importance, entitlement and dependency?
He’s not speaking for injured Veterans going through the VA process. He’s speaking for himself, hoping for a VA rating to supplement his retirement. Is he injured? Is he on a Cat-3 profile? Was he medically boarded? Does he even have a VA rating? No to all! He’s not speaking for injured vets, he’s mooching off them!
His self-centeredness is well known to me. It’s typical of marginal Privates and risk-averse REMFs. That attitude is POISON when it gets into a platoon. It breaks cohesion, morale and jeopardizes missions. I’ve listened to it time-and-time again from malcontents and misfits. What’s next, a diatribe on the palatability of MREs and the burden of camo netting?
IMO a just outcome would be a 15-6 on his A followed by a court martial, no settlement, and enough BS for him to write about for the next 20 years as he wanders around complaining about how “the military did it to me man”.
Court martial his A if for no other reason than to save all the injured veterans the distress of having to listen to his S in the VA hospital waiting rooms.
I say this as a Line of Duty injured VA patient who post-ETS navigated the VA system and waited my turn while totally incapacitated and disabled.
Whew! For a minute there, I figured the MSgt. was just applying for benefits he actually qualified for.
Never would of thought someone here on FR actually served with the man and knows everything about him and that he's just a REMF milking the system and robbing you of yours.
“Never would of thought someone here on FR actually served with the man and knows everything about him and that he’s just a REMF milking the system and robbing you of yours.”
I served with and know many like him. They are the majority of claimants IME.
He is not being boarded, ergo he is not injured or disabled! Get that through your thick head.
The VA system is full of these claimants. Their claims are for BS ‘ailments’ which is contended would not exist or were exacerbated by military service. That is the basis of their claims. They make a laundry list of ailments and conditions then boast about how they got 5% here and 10% there to achieve their final percentage.
These moochers clog the VA system taking time and resources from Line of Duty, medically-boarded and physically disabled veterans who have to wait in line with these POSs.
These people are FKN Parasites and Buddy-Fkers. Got it?
I gave allowances for this angle.
Shinseki is still a horse’s butt and an insult to veterans.
It took them about 500 days to reject my claim!!!