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Claim: US Military Leaders 'Embarrassed' and 'Repelled' by Syria Strike Plans
Townhall.com ^ | September 6, 2013 | Guy Benson

Posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

There's a must-read op/ed in today's Washington Post, authored by a retired Army Major General.  He draws on "dozens" of exchanges with active and retired military leaders to mount a case that Pentagon brass want no part of a Syria intervention.  He begins by analyzing Gen. Martin Dempsey's body language during Congressional hearings this week -- by far his least compelling argument.  Then comes the meat of his case.  Brutal:


I feel confident that what follows represents the overwhelming opinion of serving professionals who have been intimate witnesses to the unfolding events that will lead the United States into its next war.  They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.  They are repelled by the hypocrisy of a media blitz that warns against the return of Hitlerism but privately acknowledges that the motive for risking American lives is our “responsibility to protect” the world’s innocents. Prospective U.S. action in Syria is not about threats to American security.

The U.S. military’s civilian masters privately are proud that they are motivated by guilt over slaughters in Rwanda, Sudan and Kosovo and not by any systemic threat to our country.  They are outraged by the fact that what may happen is an act of war and a willingness to risk American lives to make up for a slip of the tongue about “red lines.” These acts would be for retribution and to restore the reputation of a president. Our serving professionals make the point that killing more Syrians won’t deter Iranian resolve to confront us. The Iranians have already gotten the message.  Our people lament our loneliness. Our senior soldiers take pride in their past commitments to fight alongside allies and within coalitions that shared our strategic goals. This war, however, will be ours alone.

If this assessment is even somewhat representative of prevailing sentiments within our military leadership ranks, it's utterly damning.  The piece goes on to lament the Obama administration's penchant for "bloodless war" -- which the author says conveys the superficial appearance of strength without achieving much:


They are tired of wannabe soldiers who remain enamored of the lure of bloodless machine warfare. “Look,” one told me, “if you want to end this decisively, send in the troops and let them defeat the Syrian army. If the nation doesn’t think Syria is worth serious commitment, then leave them alone.” But they also warn that Syria is not Libya or Serbia. Perhaps the United States has become too used to fighting third-rate armies. As the Israelis learned in 1973, the Syrians are tough and mean-spirited killers with nothing to lose.  Our military members understand and take seriously their oath to defend the constitutional authority of their civilian masters. They understand that the United States is the only liberal democracy that has never been ruled by its military. But today’s soldiers know war and resent civilian policymakers who want the military to fight a war that neither they nor their loved ones will experience firsthand.


The author closes with a note of resignation, averring that the US military will carry out the impending war with professionalism and courage, even if it's an unwise action:


Soon the military will salute respectfully and loose the hell of hundreds of cruise missiles in an effort that will, inevitably, kill a few of those we wish to protect. They will do it with all the professionalism and skill we expect from the world’s most proficient military. I wish Kerry would take a moment to look at the images from this week’s hearings before we go to war again.


I'm in no position to determine whether this is a tendentious screed, or a fair approximation of how Pentagon higher-ups feel.  If it's more the latter than the former, it sounds as if American military leadership shares the intense skepticism expressed by the American people and many in Congress.


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KEYWORDS: 0bama; lethalpresidency; lethalpresident; obama; pentagon; syria; usmilitary
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1 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The community organizer is getting outed 5 years too late. . . .


2 posted on 09/07/2013 4:11:02 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I hate ZERO with all my heart. I guess that I am a racist. . . . . Oh Well. . .)
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To: Kaslin

If the command to go to war is unconstitutional then the military has the obligation and duty to refuse that order.


3 posted on 09/07/2013 4:18:44 AM PDT by bayliving
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To: DeaconRed
Yep, we need a Department of the Dense for remedial education of 0bama voters.

FReepers saw this train wreck coming in 2007.

4 posted on 09/07/2013 4:22:05 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: DeaconRed
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It's interesting that the corrupt liberal Washington Post allowed this article to be published.


It seems as if they're trying to "school" the Sodomite Kenyan Obama and "blood-thirsty" Valerie Jarret into the realities of military campaigns.


Unfortunately, America's modern-day Hitler (Obama) will not hear a word of it ... as he plays another round of sex-golf with Reggie Love ...



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5 posted on 09/07/2013 5:05:41 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: Kaslin
" The U.S. military’s civilian masters privately are proud that they are motivated by guilt over slaughters in Rwanda, Sudan and Kosovo and not by any systemic threat to our country.

Ha. That would be Susan Rice, seated at the right hand of the Won.
Sharpest tool in the box.
NOT
and those "failures" cited happened on her watch as an advisor to Billy Jeff Clinton
Congress: your approval of the appointments of stupid people into key positions like "National Security Advisor" and "Secretary of State" and "Ambassador to the UN" - has consequences.
6 posted on 09/07/2013 5:07:15 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: bayliving
unconstitutional....refuse order

That's only partially true. They have to be right, and they have to be willing to have that tried by court martial.

Recall the commander who refused some order or other due to his belief that Obama was an illegal commander.

He was tried, convicted, and put out of the military. I don't recall if he did jail time.

I'm glad he stood up for his principles, but if you're "officially" wrong, then you pay the price.

7 posted on 09/07/2013 5:21:21 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

IS there a link to this so it can be shared on Facebook


8 posted on 09/07/2013 5:21:27 AM PDT by rocketmag
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To: Kaslin

IS there a link to this so it can be shared on Facebook


9 posted on 09/07/2013 5:22:24 AM PDT by rocketmag
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To: All

What the liberals and democrats don’t remember about the oath
...”to protect and defend THE CONSTITUTION of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic”.. It doesn’t read “to cover up for the black guy because we don’t want to be called racist”.


10 posted on 09/07/2013 5:25:46 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Kaslin

Here’s the article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3063209/posts


11 posted on 09/07/2013 5:39:33 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check highlights every single word.)
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To: Kaslin

Wag the dog


12 posted on 09/07/2013 5:41:31 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin
I know one person I'd like to send over there.

Sometimes I'm glad he lost the election.

13 posted on 09/07/2013 5:44:12 AM PDT by McGruff (Strange times are these in which we live..)
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To: xzins

He is at Leavenworth and he is hero with more guts and courage than most


14 posted on 09/07/2013 5:44:17 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

-——the United States is the only liberal democracy that has never been ruled by its military-———

Perhaps it is time for that to change. The only method of relieving the country of the incompetent is impeachment and that is not a possibility. Even if it were, there would still be the minions to have hissey fits.

A good old fashioned takeover coupled with a governing board of directors to sort it all out is looking very good.


15 posted on 09/07/2013 5:55:10 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bayliving

The JCS should just resign.


16 posted on 09/07/2013 6:03:47 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: bert
Your position is called Caesar ism. It looks more and more you might be right. God Help us!
17 posted on 09/07/2013 6:13:19 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: bert

Yeah, a millitary diktatorship! Thats the solution we need! sarc/


18 posted on 09/07/2013 6:14:54 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Kaslin

I find it funny that after all the criticism of Bush and Iraq and the so called “rush to war”...


“After 9-11 we immediately attacked Iraq” Whats the rush?! Whats the rush?! Give sanctions time to work! “Rush to war!” “Rush to war!” “Rush to war!”

that Ed Asner’s excuse for why their are not more leftists protesting Obama is that:

“The lead up to the Iraq war took a lot longer”

Huh? What? I thought it was rushed?????


19 posted on 09/07/2013 6:15:36 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Kaslin.

Obama hints he may abandon Syria strike
The Daily Caller | 6 Sep 13 | Neil Munro
Posted on 09/07/2013 12:34:23 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3063699/posts


20 posted on 09/07/2013 6:15:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: chessplayer

......well, I hear your sarcasm but raise you on your stance to wit: “the civilians (politicians) over the past 50-75 years have, cumulatively, f’d this country up beyond all repair”. The Freeper you responded to was making the point that maybe it is time for our military leaders to “just say no”. When I took that oath it had a phrase in it that included “obey all LAWFUL orders”...............Throwing 200 Tomahawks at Syria is CLEARLY an unlawful order and the military, given how f’d up this country is, should just say no.

And, I question WHO’s order this would be? Is it Axelrods? Is it Jarrett’s? Is it Moochelles? Is it the money men that put this bastard in office (Saudi’s)? I for one don’t think it would be a passionate thought of Obama’s to attack Syria. He doesn’t give a damn about ANYTHING but Golf and flying on Air Force One.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 6:35:34 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Kaslin

EVEN if we did go in to Syria, like we did in Iraq, we would end up fighting the very rebels we are supporting now. We would have no choice, as they would turn on us the minute they get what they wanted. I HOPE even the idiots in the Administration realize this, but I don’t know what to think about their reasoning skills.


22 posted on 09/07/2013 6:37:02 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 6:37:54 AM PDT by GOPJ (Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts - Churchill)
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To: Kaslin
They understand that the United States is the only liberal democracy that has never been ruled by its military.

Uh? I don't recall England ever being ruled by its military.

24 posted on 09/07/2013 6:43:49 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Kaslin
...Syrians are tough and mean-spirited killers with nothing to lose...

We are ethical and have nothing to gain from this action. It's a loser.

25 posted on 09/07/2013 6:46:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts - Churchill)
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To: bayliving
If the command to go to war is unconstitutional then the military has the obligation and duty to refuse that order.

Remember that Obama has had his Officer purge, removing conservative/constitutional and experienced Generals and Admirals, weakened the Military as well a stock DOD Civilian leaders with his like minded minions. Perhaps this is why he called it "My Military".... perhaps he does have that control now. This all so sucks.

26 posted on 09/07/2013 6:51:07 AM PDT by thegrump
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To: xzins

And no matter the circumstances, they would be officially wrong 99.999% of the time.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 7:02:41 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Kaslin
The U.S. military’s civilian masters privately are proud that they are motivated by guilt over slaughters in Rwanda, Sudan and Kosovo and not by any systemic threat to our country.

The most imminent threat to our country right now is coming from that narcissistic retard in the White House. IMO, the Pentagon should concentrate on countering that threat, and not allow itself to be led by the nose into a completely unnecessary and unconstitutional war. It'll require some creative thinking on the Pentagon's part, but options range from outright refusal to arresting the squatter occupying the people's house, etc.

28 posted on 09/07/2013 7:12:16 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: silverleaf

Congress: your approval of the appointments of stupid people into key positions like “National Security Advisor” and “Secretary of State” and “Ambassador to the UN” - has consequences.

BUMP!


29 posted on 09/07/2013 7:20:02 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: rocketmag

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3063721/posts


30 posted on 09/07/2013 7:26:18 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: xzins

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin

He spent 6 months in Leavenworth.


31 posted on 09/07/2013 7:44:04 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Kaslin
None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it.

Totally agree, but there is one huge problem: Obama's two biggest cheerleaders in Congress. John McCain was a career officer in the Navy - over 20 years, including 6 as a POW in Vietnam, and Linda Graham has been in the Air Force and AF Reserves since 1981.

There is a lot more going on with the people beating the drum for war with Syria than simple ignorance of military operations. I don't know why so many from both sides are beating the drums. Some appear to be Neocons in disguise, some appear to be Muslim Brotherhood supporters, some seem to be in the pockets of the defense industry.

Whatever the overriding issue is, I don't know, other than it's disconcerting that so many people who should be opposed to one another are coming together over this.
32 posted on 09/07/2013 7:44:27 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: clintonh8r

‘The JCS should just resign.’

Huh?

The current JCS has been handpicked by Obama to turn the armed forces into the Gay Brigade. They ain’t going anywhere.


33 posted on 09/07/2013 7:48:13 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: PghBaldy

EVEN if we did go in to Syria, like we did in Iraq, we would end up fighting the very rebels we are supporting now. We would have no choice, as they would turn on us the minute they get what they wanted. I HOPE even the idiots in the Administration realize this, but I don’t know what to think about their reasoning skills.


They realize it all right, but they don’t care. This is all about bam-bam trying to save face.


34 posted on 09/07/2013 8:15:33 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

I have a call in to Scott.....

:>)


35 posted on 09/07/2013 8:17:56 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: McGruff
Sometimes I'm glad he lost the election.

It's pretty much all the time for me. We would have had WWIII already if he was President.

36 posted on 09/07/2013 8:19:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bayliving

That’s not what Denise Lind ruled in the court-martial of Lt Col Terry Lakin. She ruled that the lawfulness of orders is unrelated to the Constitutionality of the process by which the commanding officers issue combat orders - NOT Obama; the President issues no orders, she says. As so many fine folks here at FR have told us, an order has to be presumed lawful and obeyed - on pain of court-martial - as long as it doesn’t order outright murder (basically). Unconstitutional war (or “kinetic action”, as Obama would call it) apparently doesn’t count as murder.

Furthermore, we are told that the unit commanders don’t even NEED the President to decide anything. There doesn’t have to be a decision from somebody Constitutionally and statutorily authorized to make combat decisions. Each officer can decide on his/her own whether we will invade a foreign country, and those under their authority are duty-bound to do it when the order comes.

The enlisted person’s oath to obey the orders of the President has been a carefully-crafted lie for all these years, since Denise Lind revealed that the President doesn’t give orders and is irrelevant to the lawfulness of orders.

So I don’t know why there’s such a big stink. Any LTC out there could lawfully give the order for Syria to be blown to bits. That is, if what Denise Lind ruled is actually believed to be true, and not just a way of protecting the foreign enemy combatant in our White House...


37 posted on 09/07/2013 8:42:00 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: xzins

He was never allowed to defend himself. He wanted to plead that the orders he received were unlawful because they were not authorized in accordance with the Constitution and the Authorization to Use Force, which required someone acting as CINC to be the sole decision-maker on the use of force against terrorism abroad. The 20th Amendment prohibits someone who had “failed to qualify” from acting as President.

Denise Lind ruled that Lt Col Terry Lakin could not use that defense because the President doesn’t issue orders and the lawfulness of combat orders doesn’t require a President’s authorization, even though Congress’ Authorization to Use Force says it does.

Look at that ruling within this Syrian context and tell me whether you think anybody in Congress or the military really believes what Denise Lind foisted onto Terry Lakin. What do you think would happen if Obama wouldn’t authorize a strike on Syria but some military LTC ordered his men to do it anyway.

If what Lind says is true, no problem. It’s a lawful order and anybody who refused to obey it would be court-martialed, refused an opportunity to defend him/herself, and spend 6 months in jail and lose all their retirement benefits - as well as have the civilian authorities seek to refuse them a license to practice whatever skill they had been using in the military - just like was done to Lt Col Terry Lakin.

And lots of folks here on FR would be cheering it along saying it was right.


38 posted on 09/07/2013 8:51:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

To truly mimic the Lakin situation, the LTC’s in the field would have to order their men to go to Syria AGAINST the decision of the Constitutionally-authorized CINC. Since Obama failed to qualify by Jan 20, 2009, the one authorized by the Constitution to “act as President” is Joe Biden, and Biden was expressly AGAINST the surge in Afghanistan.

So if the field commanders can lawfully contradict the orders of the person acting as CINC, then everybody in the military who is in the chain of command giving the orders necessary to carry out a Syria attack could just change the orders - send the planes, troops, etc someplace else - and nobody could do a darn thing about it. Without admitting that the Lakin ruling was doo-doo, that is....


39 posted on 09/07/2013 9:03:52 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: McGruff

“Sometimes I’m glad he lost the election.”

I’m always glad he lost the election. If McStain was POTUS we would already have 75,000 boots on the ground in Syria and God only knows where else. There would be 20 million new “citizens” and you wouldn’t be able to buy a vitamin supplement off the shelf.

McStain is Bat chit crazy and if his finger was on the button I’d really be worried.


40 posted on 09/07/2013 9:35:23 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: chessplayer
Yeah, a millitary diktatorship! Thats the solution we need! sarc/

It might at least be run better than the civilian dictatorship, and have an actual American in the driver's seat.

41 posted on 09/07/2013 9:37:58 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Red Dog #1

I agree. They have to be able to prove their case


42 posted on 09/07/2013 10:06:17 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
It's interesting that the corrupt liberal Washington Post allowed this article to be published.

Actually, the Post is the voice of the neocons now. But that's no contradiction. Neocons are of the left.

43 posted on 09/07/2013 10:37:27 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Kaslin

you mean the military “leaders” who are making our military a joke by belittling Christians, promoting homosexuality to the hilt,etc?.....THOSE military “leaders” can just go jump in a lake....but wait and get your fat pensions first boys...


44 posted on 09/07/2013 11:08:03 AM PDT by cherry
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To: butterdezillion

Don’t be surprised if obama orders the attack then ACCUSED some rogue officer.


45 posted on 09/07/2013 11:22:14 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: xzins

That’s why we give them the bars and stars. Sometimes they have to suck it up and do the right thing. There is plenty of room/opportunity within the military framework to evaluate a civilian leader’s order to make sure someone is not going to a war crimes trial if they follow it.


46 posted on 09/07/2013 1:56:11 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Kaslin
So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.

Which is precisely what we've been saying on FR from the beginning of this ridiculous kabuki dance. At this point we'd be dropping bombs on empty targets just so show that nobody can tell 0bama "no". This is the politics of the playpen and the mission planning of little boys with stick guns. Anyone who voted for this bumbling moron deserves to be drafted.

47 posted on 09/07/2013 2:12:07 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: xzins; bayliving

“I’m glad he stood up for his principles, but if you’re “officially” wrong, then you pay the price.”

I think it’s our job to protect and uphold the Constitution in this case. Let’s not be so quick to ask members of the military to sacrifice themselves unless we’re willing to give up our careers and freedom like we’re asking them to do.


48 posted on 09/07/2013 3:38:53 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Kaslin

I’m STILL trying to figure out what Assad and the Syrian government EVER did to us...

No Syrian Ever Called Me “Cracka”....


49 posted on 09/07/2013 4:23:16 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

141 rounds of golf so far... http://obamagolfcounter.com/


50 posted on 09/07/2013 7:04:00 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [sic])
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