Skip to comments.Analysis: Obama won't say it, but vote on Syria has high stakes for his presidency
Posted on 09/07/2013 8:25:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
(Reuters) - It seems that everyone in Washington is talking about it except President Barack Obama: When Congress votes on the administration's request to use military force in Syria, the future of his presidency could well be on the line.
A defeat, a distinct possibility, would hobble Obama in affairs both foreign and domestic, particularly if fellow Democrats collaborate in it.
It will hurt him at a critical juncture, as he confronts not only Syria, but the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea, another round of battles with Republicans over fiscal issues, an immigration bill, and a possibly difficult nomination fight over a new chairman of the Federal Reserve.
Using Obama's presidency as an argument as Congress ponders a resolution authorizing military action is off-limits for the administration - it would make the debate about Obama and cost the president votes from some Republicans he is counting on.
"My credibility is not on the line," Obama said at a news conference in Stockholm on Wednesday, five days after he announced he would seek congressional authorization for a strike on Syria over an August 21 chemical weapons attack in that country.
"The international community's credibility is on the line. And America and Congress' credibility is on the line."
ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM
But if ever there was an "elephant" in a room, the Obama legacy is it.
A 'no' vote would be a "catastrophe" for Obama...
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The petulant narcissist is not to be trifled with ... the temper tantrum that one will throw is going to be epic.
It's nice to know that Obama's credibility is on the line. If a "no" vote, or even cancelling the vote, means Obama becomes a lame duck, that will be the best thing that has happened to America in these five terrible years.
If Obama is hobbled, he can’t play golf. Oh the Humanity!
Let’s see. Rooters thinks that Obama will be MORE popular with the anti-war left if he goes in and starts bombing women and children in support of a gang of church-burning, Christian killing Mohammedan fanatics?
The more evil he does, the more popular he will be? Even though at least 2/3 of the country are against this war?
I hope all this craziness just means that the Obama worshippers feel their backs against the wall, and are absolutely desperate. But who knows?
I’ll take a somewhat contrarian view - I’m starting to think that the won will use the congress as a fig leaf to slowly back away. Putin called his bluff and now he needs a way out.
The Joker is on us.
I think freepers need to lead the charge to ensure this bill makes it to a vote. Obamas war plan voted down by a huge margin will have an impact
I want a recorded house vote.
Nothing but loss in it for democrats and nothing but gain for republicans who vote no. The democrats can throw their president overboard or support a war than the vast majority don’t want. The republicans can vote no and show that they are the party of restraint.
Might give the congress the spine to buck the imperial president on other crucial matters.
Its a puzzlement. How can someone who is only 50 percent black be 100 percent wrong all the time? Its a puzzlement!
He’s going to shift the argument to call for condemnation from the UN and the EU with armed intervention on the table if Syria doesn’t forswear future uses of gas. Wait for it.
There is a good chance you are right. He will be hailed (by the usual sources) as contemplative, judicious, collaborative, wise, bipartisan and forgiving. Few could show such calm under so much pressure to “evolve” his thinking, while warning that another use of chemical warfare will come with swift and sure justice. It kind of creeps me out just to type that drivel.
Have you seen his game? He can’t play now.
Pray for America to Wake Up
Meh. This is America. Regardless of what happens, no one will remember in three months. We’ll be on to some other disaster. Except for here and a couple other places does anyone talk about the IRS, Benghazi, etc? Nope. And they won’t talk about this. And when 2014 rolls around, this might as well be a million years ago.
Sadly, that is the nature of America.
10-4 on that. Maybe the Republicans in Congress might get the spine to do things like defund Obamacare and such. Heck, even pass a law to kill it, and make Obama veto it. It is becoming generally unpopular enough that perhaps it could happen.
Thank you, Sal. Today is the day. All in here.
Obama is likely done, seen by the universe to have tweaked the whisker of a lion, and finally, it roared back. He can’t un-ring that bell.
I actively want to destroy is presidency!
I made the call yesterday, that he won't launch.
Reuters has another story casting doubts upon the intel. There are some escape hatches.
I wonder how they care going to manage to stock archives in his library that leave a favorable legacy. I can't imagine what it might be like if he tries to build one. Could he be the first president since Roosevelt to not have a library?
It is still unbelievable to me that we have such amateur in the Presidency. If the “One” was even contemplating establishing “a red line”, before he announced it, why didn’t he round up domestic and international support (if any existed), before he started flapping his lips? Either the State Department or the “One” or both are incompetent in putting our reputation on the line like this.
He has no shame. Not only will he play golf but he and that wife of his will do nothing but spend other people’s money for the next 3 1/2 years And if they do nothing but that it’ll be good for America, though watching libs and the media enable it will be nauseating
We need to somehow make sure that Boehner doesn’t cancel the vote to try to save anybody’s face on this one.
The few real conservatives that can't be bought will be opposed and undermined by a big (Saudi) money RINO GOP-E until there are too few to stop a use of force resolution.
The solution to this is to put the Saudis and company out of business and let Europe beg for their oil and gas.
If anyone, specifically Obama was concerned, he would attack the root.
That is why it makes more sense that IF we are going to waste resources and break things it makes more sense to take out the root problems; Iran, Saudiland and Syria. That would clean up the proxies.
As soon as Iran has a nuclear weapon, they will indiscriminately use it on Israel, Europe and America..... and not necessarily in that order.
Global security and stability rests on this action.
Arrogance and stupidity. He led himself to believe he’s a world renown military/political genius and doesn’t need congress or allies or even the support of the people. Waltzed into Russia expecting full support and Putin instead handed him his head. When the congress votes him down (and they will or America will have their heads), he’s finished. The entire world now sees him as the pathetic joke he’s always been.
Go to war to save Obama’s presidency.
Or don’t go to war and have Obama humiliated and embarrassed on the world stage.
What a (white) guilt trip! What tripe!
That sounds like something out of the Middle Ages when feudal lords went to war because someone pissed in their Cheerios (okay, gruel, because Cheerios hadn’t been invented yet).
I’d say ALL their a$$es are on the line. That includes those in the Senate and the House who vote “YES” for military action.
It will be a NO vote.
I think he’s in too deep. Remember, he threatened to go in even if the congress voted no. Even if the UN said no and he was all alone with no allies, he’d still strike. He’s a frustrated wannabe dictator/conqueror and he’s flailing around dangerously. When the congress votes him down,his arrogance will probably lead him to try ordering a military strike anyway. We need the congress to not only vote no, but to remind him (and the military) of their constitutional recourse should he proceed against the will of the people. The imperial presidency must be put in its place.
The real elephant in the room is that Obama lost his credibility before this debacle. He is a serial liar and people know it. Voting for this war and finding it becoming a big nightmare, ruins the credibility of the fools that trusted a serial liar.
Americans do not want another war. No amount of prime time hogwash is going to change that.
All the do it for the kids blather ain’t working. Because Americans don’t want this for our kids. They come first. That why we are dead set against it. Obama be damned.
The petulant narcissist
That is exactly what he is. And America is finally starting to recognize it.
“The more evil he does, the more popular he will be?”
And, if you don’t think so, YOU MUSS BE A RASSISS!, that hates the idea of a black man as President!
(See how easy that was?)
Putin called him out for the whiny little baby that he is. Take Putin out of the equation and you’ve got a completely different scenario playing out. It’s funny, actually.
Oops, that’s racist! /s
This is fundamentally the EU’s position (minus France). Seems like the most sensible course to follow. Biggest thing that I’d like to see right now is an moving of the chess pieces out of the Med. Right now with all those naval assets sailing around in a small space on high alert - there is always the chance that some local commander miscalculates and inadvertently kicks off WWIII.
We need to somehow make sure that Boehner doesnt cancel the vote to try to save anybodys face on this one.
Cantor is complicit in this with Boehner. He needs to be FReeped too.
Oh, yeah. I’m with Sarah and Cruz all the way on this one. Drill, baby, drill! We’ve got our own oil and don’t have to be dependent on foreign countries. And to hell with the premature rush to green energy b/s. Revive coal, oil and gas and let our industries flourish. Let the free markets provide alternative energy solutions if, when and after the technology is developed and proven to be reliable and competitive.
Free America works best!!
When the congress votes him down (and they will or America will have their heads), hes finished. The entire world now sees him as the pathetic joke hes always been.
The liberal American media will rush to his defense like they always do. But this time they have some heavy lifting to do as Obama foolishly backed himself into a corner. A crisis of his own doing.
Americans do not want another war. No amount of prime time hogwash is going to change that.
I believe you are right. Over the past decade we have expended an enormous amount of blood and treasure. War fatigue has set in, big time. Enough is enough.
My position on Iran remains where it has been.
Israel will strike Iran before they have nuclear weapons. We should provide them any material support they need in terms of bombs and aircraft, and if necessary, offshore artillery strikes to hobble a retaliation.
No tantrum! He was chickening out but didn’t want to be seen as a chicken! 45 Minute meeting with jarrett and axlerod and off t congress he goes. So he went to congress pretty sure they would say no and there’s his scape goat. He can blame the house and those nasty obstructionist republicans! Have A BOTTLE OF BEER AND GO GOLFING! You should know that EVERYTHING he does is political!
Sounds like a young fellow who sits on a couch with smoking a weed or some thing with a homosexual friend. There are lots of people in the USA with same behavior especially among the young know all crowd. The Nation would do well to get familiar with a photo of such a fellow.
He also asked us to fast and pray along with Pope Francis for the day.
Even coal can be cleaned up enough to transition over forty years to the modest amount of new green energy we will get economically.
End government subsidy of wacko green scams, price leases properly and require lease development.
We'll be swimming in energy.
Carbon tax and climate change scams should earn prison.
If he has a library, they will have to make sure everything is in “print” format. The visitors don’t do cursive.
Do you really believe such people would even know what a library is let alone enter one?