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Analysis: Obama won't say it, but vote on Syria has high stakes for his presidency
Reuters ^ | Sept 7, 2013 | By Roberta Rampton and Caren Bohan

Posted on 09/07/2013 8:25:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

(Reuters) - It seems that everyone in Washington is talking about it except President Barack Obama: When Congress votes on the administration's request to use military force in Syria, the future of his presidency could well be on the line.

A defeat, a distinct possibility, would hobble Obama in affairs both foreign and domestic, particularly if fellow Democrats collaborate in it.

It will hurt him at a critical juncture, as he confronts not only Syria, but the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea, another round of battles with Republicans over fiscal issues, an immigration bill, and a possibly difficult nomination fight over a new chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Using Obama's presidency as an argument as Congress ponders a resolution authorizing military action is off-limits for the administration - it would make the debate about Obama and cost the president votes from some Republicans he is counting on.

"My credibility is not on the line," Obama said at a news conference in Stockholm on Wednesday, five days after he announced he would seek congressional authorization for a strike on Syria over an August 21 chemical weapons attack in that country.

"The international community's credibility is on the line. And America and Congress' credibility is on the line."

ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

But if ever there was an "elephant" in a room, the Obama legacy is it.

A 'no' vote would be a "catastrophe" for Obama...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehnerprotector; boehnertorescue; catastrophe; catastrophic; epicfail; lameduck; obama; redline; syria
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Not only no, but hell no we will not go to war to save Obama's "credibility!"
1 posted on 09/07/2013 8:25:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

The petulant narcissist is not to be trifled with ... the temper tantrum that one will throw is going to be epic.


2 posted on 09/07/2013 8:28:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"My credibility is not on the line," Obama said

It's nice to know that Obama's credibility is on the line. If a "no" vote, or even cancelling the vote, means Obama becomes a lame duck, that will be the best thing that has happened to America in these five terrible years.

3 posted on 09/07/2013 8:29:32 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Jim Robinson

If Obama is hobbled, he can’t play golf. Oh the Humanity!


4 posted on 09/07/2013 8:29:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Jim Robinson

Let’s see. Rooters thinks that Obama will be MORE popular with the anti-war left if he goes in and starts bombing women and children in support of a gang of church-burning, Christian killing Mohammedan fanatics?

The more evil he does, the more popular he will be? Even though at least 2/3 of the country are against this war?

I hope all this craziness just means that the Obama worshippers feel their backs against the wall, and are absolutely desperate. But who knows?


5 posted on 09/07/2013 8:30:44 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll take a somewhat contrarian view - I’m starting to think that the won will use the congress as a fig leaf to slowly back away. Putin called his bluff and now he needs a way out.


6 posted on 09/07/2013 8:31:05 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe a “NO” vote would force the President to actually work WITH congress.
7 posted on 09/07/2013 8:32:14 AM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: Jim Robinson

8 posted on 09/07/2013 8:32:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jim Robinson
Why so Syrias?

The Joker is on us.


9 posted on 09/07/2013 8:32:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

I think freepers need to lead the charge to ensure this bill makes it to a vote. Obamas war plan voted down by a huge margin will have an impact


10 posted on 09/07/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Jim Robinson

I want a recorded house vote.

Nothing but loss in it for democrats and nothing but gain for republicans who vote no. The democrats can throw their president overboard or support a war than the vast majority don’t want. The republicans can vote no and show that they are the party of restraint.


11 posted on 09/07/2013 8:35:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MRadtke

Might give the congress the spine to buck the imperial president on other crucial matters.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 8:35:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Travis McGee

Its a puzzlement. How can someone who is only 50 percent black be 100 percent wrong all the time? Its a puzzlement!


13 posted on 09/07/2013 8:35:38 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

He’s going to shift the argument to call for condemnation from the UN and the EU with armed intervention on the table if Syria doesn’t forswear future uses of gas. Wait for it.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 8:36:28 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

There is a good chance you are right. He will be hailed (by the usual sources) as contemplative, judicious, collaborative, wise, bipartisan and forgiving. Few could show such calm under so much pressure to “evolve” his thinking, while warning that another use of chemical warfare will come with swift and sure justice. It kind of creeps me out just to type that drivel.


15 posted on 09/07/2013 8:37:20 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Have you seen his game? He can’t play now.

Pray for America to Wake Up


16 posted on 09/07/2013 8:37:35 AM PDT by bray (Coming soon: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: Jim Robinson

Meh. This is America. Regardless of what happens, no one will remember in three months. We’ll be on to some other disaster. Except for here and a couple other places does anyone talk about the IRS, Benghazi, etc? Nope. And they won’t talk about this. And when 2014 rolls around, this might as well be a million years ago.

Sadly, that is the nature of America.


17 posted on 09/07/2013 8:39:13 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Pollster1

10-4 on that. Maybe the Republicans in Congress might get the spine to do things like defund Obamacare and such. Heck, even pass a law to kill it, and make Obama veto it. It is becoming generally unpopular enough that perhaps it could happen.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 8:39:52 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Salvation

Thank you, Sal. Today is the day. All in here.

Obama is likely done, seen by the universe to have tweaked the whisker of a lion, and finally, it roared back. He can’t un-ring that bell.


19 posted on 09/07/2013 8:40:51 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I actively want to destroy is presidency!


20 posted on 09/07/2013 8:40:57 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: saganite
Wait for it.

I made the call yesterday, that he won't launch.

Reuters has another story casting doubts upon the intel. There are some escape hatches.

21 posted on 09/07/2013 8:45:15 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Mistake after mistake, blunder after blunder multiplied by a corruption factor never before seen and yet, the media will spend years, maybe decades portraying him as the greatest president ever because of his race.

I wonder how they care going to manage to stock archives in his library that leave a favorable legacy. I can't imagine what it might be like if he tries to build one. Could he be the first president since Roosevelt to not have a library?

22 posted on 09/07/2013 8:50:38 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It is still unbelievable to me that we have such amateur in the Presidency. If the “One” was even contemplating establishing “a red line”, before he announced it, why didn’t he round up domestic and international support (if any existed), before he started flapping his lips? Either the State Department or the “One” or both are incompetent in putting our reputation on the line like this.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 8:51:56 AM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: P-Marlowe

He has no shame. Not only will he play golf but he and that wife of his will do nothing but spend other people’s money for the next 3 1/2 years And if they do nothing but that it’ll be good for America, though watching libs and the media enable it will be nauseating


24 posted on 09/07/2013 8:52:15 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Jim Robinson

We need to somehow make sure that Boehner doesn’t cancel the vote to try to save anybody’s face on this one.


25 posted on 09/07/2013 8:52:54 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Jim Robinson
A no vote might cause Obama to back away, but all it means is the Saudis just need to bribe more US government officials.

The few real conservatives that can't be bought will be opposed and undermined by a big (Saudi) money RINO GOP-E until there are too few to stop a use of force resolution.

The solution to this is to put the Saudis and company out of business and let Europe beg for their oil and gas.

26 posted on 09/07/2013 8:53:01 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Viennacon

If anyone, specifically Obama was concerned, he would attack the root.

That is why it makes more sense that IF we are going to waste resources and break things it makes more sense to take out the root problems; Iran, Saudiland and Syria. That would clean up the proxies.

As soon as Iran has a nuclear weapon, they will indiscriminately use it on Israel, Europe and America..... and not necessarily in that order.

Global security and stability rests on this action.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 8:55:38 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Enten

Arrogance and stupidity. He led himself to believe he’s a world renown military/political genius and doesn’t need congress or allies or even the support of the people. Waltzed into Russia expecting full support and Putin instead handed him his head. When the congress votes him down (and they will or America will have their heads), he’s finished. The entire world now sees him as the pathetic joke he’s always been.


28 posted on 09/07/2013 9:03:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Decisions. Decisions.

Go to war to save Obama’s presidency.

Or don’t go to war and have Obama humiliated and embarrassed on the world stage.

What a (white) guilt trip! What tripe!

==

That sounds like something out of the Middle Ages when feudal lords went to war because someone pissed in their Cheerios (okay, gruel, because Cheerios hadn’t been invented yet).


29 posted on 09/07/2013 9:07:58 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’d say ALL their a$$es are on the line. That includes those in the Senate and the House who vote “YES” for military action.


30 posted on 09/07/2013 9:08:30 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Jim Robinson

It will be a NO vote.


31 posted on 09/07/2013 9:15:57 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: don-o

I think he’s in too deep. Remember, he threatened to go in even if the congress voted no. Even if the UN said no and he was all alone with no allies, he’d still strike. He’s a frustrated wannabe dictator/conqueror and he’s flailing around dangerously. When the congress votes him down,his arrogance will probably lead him to try ordering a military strike anyway. We need the congress to not only vote no, but to remind him (and the military) of their constitutional recourse should he proceed against the will of the people. The imperial presidency must be put in its place.


32 posted on 09/07/2013 9:17:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

The real elephant in the room is that Obama lost his credibility before this debacle. He is a serial liar and people know it. Voting for this war and finding it becoming a big nightmare, ruins the credibility of the fools that trusted a serial liar.

Americans do not want another war. No amount of prime time hogwash is going to change that.

All the do it for the kids blather ain’t working. Because Americans don’t want this for our kids. They come first. That why we are dead set against it. Obama be damned.


33 posted on 09/07/2013 9:18:37 AM PDT by dforest
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To: MHGinTN

The petulant narcissist
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That is exactly what he is. And America is finally starting to recognize it.


34 posted on 09/07/2013 9:19:30 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Cicero

“The more evil he does, the more popular he will be?”

And, if you don’t think so, YOU MUSS BE A RASSISS!, that hates the idea of a black man as President!

(See how easy that was?)


35 posted on 09/07/2013 9:19:46 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dforest

Putin called him out for the whiny little baby that he is. Take Putin out of the equation and you’ve got a completely different scenario playing out. It’s funny, actually.


36 posted on 09/07/2013 9:20:48 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Jim Robinson

Oops, that’s racist! /s


37 posted on 09/07/2013 9:20:51 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: saganite

This is fundamentally the EU’s position (minus France). Seems like the most sensible course to follow. Biggest thing that I’d like to see right now is an moving of the chess pieces out of the Med. Right now with all those naval assets sailing around in a small space on high alert - there is always the chance that some local commander miscalculates and inadvertently kicks off WWIII.


38 posted on 09/07/2013 9:23:38 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: varmintman

We need to somehow make sure that Boehner doesn’t cancel the vote to try to save anybody’s face on this one.
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Cantor is complicit in this with Boehner. He needs to be FReeped too.


39 posted on 09/07/2013 9:25:48 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Salvation

40 posted on 09/07/2013 9:30:37 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Navy Patriot

Oh, yeah. I’m with Sarah and Cruz all the way on this one. Drill, baby, drill! We’ve got our own oil and don’t have to be dependent on foreign countries. And to hell with the premature rush to green energy b/s. Revive coal, oil and gas and let our industries flourish. Let the free markets provide alternative energy solutions if, when and after the technology is developed and proven to be reliable and competitive.

Free America works best!!


41 posted on 09/07/2013 9:31:43 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

When the congress votes him down (and they will or America will have their heads), he’s finished. The entire world now sees him as the pathetic joke he’s always been.
*******
The liberal American media will rush to his defense like they always do. But this time they have some heavy lifting to do as Obama foolishly backed himself into a corner. A crisis of his own doing.


42 posted on 09/07/2013 9:32:44 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: dforest

Americans do not want another war. No amount of prime time hogwash is going to change that.
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I believe you are right. Over the past decade we have expended an enormous amount of blood and treasure. War fatigue has set in, big time. Enough is enough.


43 posted on 09/07/2013 9:36:40 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: himno hero

My position on Iran remains where it has been.

Israel will strike Iran before they have nuclear weapons. We should provide them any material support they need in terms of bombs and aircraft, and if necessary, offshore artillery strikes to hobble a retaliation.


44 posted on 09/07/2013 9:38:30 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: MHGinTN

No tantrum! He was chickening out but didn’t want to be seen as a chicken! 45 Minute meeting with jarrett and axlerod and off t congress he goes. So he went to congress pretty sure they would say no and there’s his scape goat. He can blame the house and those nasty obstructionist republicans! Have A BOTTLE OF BEER AND GO GOLFING! You should know that EVERYTHING he does is political!


45 posted on 09/07/2013 9:48:51 AM PDT by Buckeyeinthesun
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To: Jim Robinson

Sounds like a young fellow who sits on a couch with smoking a weed or some thing with a homosexual friend. There are lots of people in the USA with same behavior especially among the young know all crowd. The Nation would do well to get familiar with a photo of such a fellow.


46 posted on 09/07/2013 9:49:30 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2
During First Friday last night my parish priest begged us to call our Congressman and Senators, and tell them to stay out of Syria.

He also asked us to fast and pray along with Pope Francis for the day.

47 posted on 09/07/2013 9:52:19 AM PDT by mware
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To: Jim Robinson
Drill, baby, drill! And frack, baby, frack.

Even coal can be cleaned up enough to transition over forty years to the modest amount of new green energy we will get economically.

End government subsidy of wacko green scams, price leases properly and require lease development.

We'll be swimming in energy.

Carbon tax and climate change scams should earn prison.

Go Australia!

48 posted on 09/07/2013 10:00:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Baynative

If he has a library, they will have to make sure everything is in “print” format. The visitors don’t do cursive.


49 posted on 09/07/2013 10:03:53 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st

Do you really believe such people would even know what a library is let alone enter one?


50 posted on 09/07/2013 10:15:31 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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