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Mark Steyn: Blunt words about Muslim backwardness
National Post ^ | 6 Sep 2013 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 09/07/2013 12:20:59 PM PDT by Rummyfan

In 2010, the bestselling atheist Richard Dawkins, in the “On Faith” section of the Washington Post, called the pope “a leering old villain in a frock” perfectly suited to “the evil corrupt organization” and “child-raping institution” that is the Catholic Church. Nobody seemed to mind very much.

Three years later, in a throwaway Tweet, Professor Dawkins observed that “all the world’s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.” This time round, the old provocateur managed to get a rise out of folks. Almost every London paper ran at least one story on the “controversy.” The Independent‘s Owen Jones fumed, “How dare you dress your bigotry up as atheism. You are now beyond an embarrassment.” The best-selling author Caitlin Moran sneered, “It’s time someone turned Richard Dawkins off and then on again. Something’s gone weird.” The Daily Telegraph‘s Tom Chivers beseeched him, “Please be quiet, Richard Dawkins, I’m begging.”

It’s factually unarguable: Trinity College graduates have amassed 32 Nobel prizes, the entire Muslim world a mere 10

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1 posted on 09/07/2013 12:20:59 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
Ten years back, even the United Nations Human Development Program was happy to sound off like an incendiary Dawkins Tweet: Its famous 2002 report blandly noted that more books are translated by Spain in a single year than have been translated into Arabic in the last thousand years.
2 posted on 09/07/2013 12:26:01 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan
They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.

Name one.

3 posted on 09/07/2013 12:28:07 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

That’s an example.
As are Two,3,4,5, 6,7,8,9, and zero.


4 posted on 09/07/2013 12:31:16 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: IronJack

“They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.:

In fact, most of what they “did”, they borrowed from the Hindus.

A couple of books (by Ward-Perkins and Emmet Scott) propose that the decline of western Europe in the Middle Ages was not really due to the barbarian invasions; but to the end of trade in the Mediterranean,
which was a direct result of the Islamic conquest.

The books also note the decline of agriculture and urban life in the entire area from Anatolia to Spain, from, they assert, the same cause.


5 posted on 09/07/2013 12:31:40 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Rummyfan

bfl


6 posted on 09/07/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: IronJack

“Name one.”

Well, they conquered vast lands, murdered huge numbers of people, and enslaved even more.


7 posted on 09/07/2013 12:34:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Rummyfan; Jim Robinson
Good afternoon to you both.

Didn't Mr. Steyn say that we could post his articles in the entirety? Did it change for some reason?

Then again, it was a long time ago, and I could have CRS syndrome.

5.56mm

8 posted on 09/07/2013 12:38:24 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: oldbill

“... the Arabic numerals were neither invented by nor used by the Arabs. They were developed in India by the Hindus around 600 A.D. ...”

http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/archive/numerals.html


9 posted on 09/07/2013 12:39:12 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Rummyfan
Indeed, they are, to one degree or another, members of the same secular liberal media elite as Professor Dawkins. Yet all felt that, unlike Dawkins’s routine jeers at Christians, his Tweet had gone too far.

Some bizarre pathology in evidence here. The closest psychological phenomenon which I can compare it with would be the Stockholm Syndrome effect. The ROP is so far in the head of Leftys they hold them virtually captive. In response the poor saps have cultivated a demented, quasi affinity for their imagined masters. Weird stuff, and they're probably beyond redemption. We've all heard that leftists suffer from mental illness and here it is in the wild for all to view.

Dawkins must be in awe at their irrationality.

10 posted on 09/07/2013 12:43:06 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: oldbill
As are Two,3,4,5, 6,7,8,9, and zero.
‘Arabic’ was just the name given to this set of numerals when the West became aware of them through Arab traders on the old Silk Road. The numerals first appear in Sanskrit records from Northern India that pre-date the bible let alone the Koran. You can give credit to Muslims fro transmitting them if you like, but they did not invent them.
11 posted on 09/07/2013 12:43:50 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: oldbill

Not true


12 posted on 09/07/2013 12:44:12 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: M Kehoe

I dunno... I just find it generally safer to excerpt.


13 posted on 09/07/2013 12:44:54 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: CondorFlight
A couple of books (by Ward-Perkins and Emmet Scott) propose that the decline of western Europe in the Middle Ages was not really due to the barbarian invasions; but to the end of trade in the Mediterranean, which was a direct result of the Islamic conquest.

And Europe recovered once they developed sea routes the muslims didn't control back to Asia and discovered the new world.

14 posted on 09/07/2013 12:44:55 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: IronJack
They killed a lot of Christians in the Middle-ages. That's a great thing in the mind of Dawkins.
15 posted on 09/07/2013 12:46:01 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: oldbill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numeral_system


16 posted on 09/07/2013 12:47:07 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Rummyfan

I like Steyn.


17 posted on 09/07/2013 12:55:22 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

islam is a satanic death cult with “allah”, a pagan moon idol, as its’ demonic head.

Just like communism (and its’ other brand names), islam is truly an evil empire.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 12:56:04 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Rummyfan; M Kehoe

This was published in the National Post; all NP articles have to be excerpted.


19 posted on 09/07/2013 1:09:05 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Squawk 8888; Rummyfan; Jim Robinson
I had been thinking about it for a bit, and now I think I know the answer. Mark is now in many publications, most whom require excerpting.

Oh well, never mind.

5.56mm

20 posted on 09/07/2013 1:12:30 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Rummyfan
I dunno... I just find it generally safer to excerpt.

The software on the posting page will let you know if an article must be excerpted.

21 posted on 09/07/2013 1:20:40 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: Rummyfan
“There are no jokes in Islam,”

Wait, Mark.. try this on for size...

There is no dog but Allan and MoreHamHead is his Profit"

Thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the virgins, they're to die for.

22 posted on 09/07/2013 1:24:03 PM PDT by Ceausescu (No war for Obonobo's covering his arse!)
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To: IronJack

Some of the Islamic art in Sicily is very beautiful. It dates from the Middle Ages - the last time these dopes had any sense.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 1:26:30 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Ceausescu

There is no dog but Allan and MoreHamHead is his Profit”

reminds me of the joke about the dyslexic.

He would lie awake at night, staring at the ceiling, wondering if there was a Dog...


24 posted on 09/07/2013 1:37:39 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Rummyfan

Want to make the muzzies even madder? Tell them that the Jews, a tiny people almost wiped out 70 years ago, have amassed at least 170 nobel prizes to their 10!


25 posted on 09/07/2013 1:40:13 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ceausescu

Dog is my co-pilot.


26 posted on 09/07/2013 1:41:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Rummyfan
The western liberal's stubborn deference to a barbaric religion - really a strict social structure - is puzzling but the always-insightful Mark Steyn seems to have figured it out in his the article in The National Post. Basically, atheist leftists seem to believe that, as Winston Churchill once defined an appeaser 'One who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last'. In a Muslim-dominated society, atheists, gays, feminists and other stalwarts of the left would be the very first to find themselves headless. So much for their alleged intellectual prowess.
27 posted on 09/07/2013 1:42:22 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: oldbill; a fool in paradise
Yes, indeed, the Muzzies did invent the ZERO! Plague on their house!
28 posted on 09/07/2013 1:44:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: CondorFlight

It’s also true that what scholarship there was in the Muslim world during that time was only in the more “moderate” parts of the Muslim world, where reformist leaders encouraged tolerance and intellectual curiousity, despite the general Islamic prohibitions against those things.


29 posted on 09/07/2013 1:44:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: EDINVA
They were developed in India by
the Hindus around 600 A.D. ...”
that's so true, i wonder how many other things they've claimed to have invented...
that were "borrowed" and how other things destroyed to satisfy their lust for destruction
in the name of their "Moon god", ALLAH..and yes, the Christians did it, too.
(may piss be upon him & his acolytes)


30 posted on 09/07/2013 1:49:43 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Boogieman; jimrob
Tell them that the Jews, a tiny people almost wiped out 70
years ago, have amassed at least 170 nobel prizes to their 10!
That Sir...shall really bring to focus; the vast differences between the...
Judaism/Oriental mindset & FR, is to deep desire to learn and to cultivate
the human spirit/intellect...and yes, i did contribute to FR last month. :-)

31 posted on 09/07/2013 2:04:03 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Rummyfan
author Caitlin Moran sneered, “It’s time someone turned Richard Dawkins off and then on again. Something’s gone weird.”

"He's criticizing someone other than Christians. We can't have that."

32 posted on 09/07/2013 2:09:18 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: EDINVA

Oddbill fell for the progressive propaganda that has been taught in our schools for decades.


33 posted on 09/07/2013 2:09:57 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: M Kehoe
Didn't Mr. Steyn say that we could post his articles in the entirety?

Perhaps, from his website, but I don't think he's able to offer that for the papers who print his columns.

34 posted on 09/07/2013 2:11:56 PM PDT by BfloGuy (People who know what they’re talking about don’t need PowerPoint.)
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To: Rummyfan

Shows that liberals worship a violent death cult, and hate a peaceful religion.


35 posted on 09/07/2013 2:18:48 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: oldbill
Hogwash. The Egyptians and Romans had numerals long before Mohammerhead ever conned his perverted countrymen into believing he was some kind of prophet. And mathematics existed long before the Middle Ages anyway.

The numerals you're describing are ARABIC, but they're certainly not muslim.

36 posted on 09/07/2013 2:24:37 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: miss marmelstein
Some of the Islamic art in Sicily is very beautiful

Agreed. If you're a fan of Byzantine or Rococo art. The designs are incredibly intricate, I'll give them that. But look at some of the mosaics in the Taj Mahal, for example. The muslime weren't the only ones making really ornate filigree.

37 posted on 09/07/2013 2:31:18 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

Oh, dear. I don’t have the money to go to the Taj Mahal! My husband has relatives in Sicily and we know the island fairly well. I believe it’s the Western part that has Islamic culture. The East is more Greek.


38 posted on 09/07/2013 2:37:35 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: IronJack
They did great things in the Middle Ages, though. Name one.

Put together the Hindu notion of zero and Greek Diophantine equations to produce algebra.

I'm not sure it counts as "great" given what they had to start with, but it was something.

39 posted on 09/07/2013 2:38:03 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Rummyfan

Funny and spot-on writing by Steyn again. But for those

who haven’t the time to read the article, I offer a summary:

Moslems, they’re stupid.


40 posted on 09/07/2013 2:38:27 PM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: IronJack

Exactly. Arabs weren’t always Muslim...The reason for the Arab decline was due to Islam.


41 posted on 09/07/2013 2:39:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JLS

Steyn ping...


42 posted on 09/07/2013 2:40:57 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: miss marmelstein; All
The great Mark Steyn is WRONG; factually inaccurate.

He writes that the entire Muslim world has TEN Nobel prizes.

WRONG!! IT IT ELEVEN!! HE FORGOT TO COUNT OBAMA'S

43 posted on 09/07/2013 2:41:52 PM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: Rummyfan

I’m not a fan of Dawkins’ writing, nor the late Christopher Hitchens for that matter, but they both should be defended for their writing as much as Mark Steyn, and Mark seems to agree. (Besides, Hitchens had a big plus going for him: He couldn’t stand the Royals.)

Steyn is a truly great man.


44 posted on 09/07/2013 2:54:20 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: M Kehoe

I don’t think he has copyright control after he sells them.


45 posted on 09/07/2013 2:56:19 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: IronJack
They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.

The 12th century philosopher and mathematician Averroes actual did a lot of good work and was a great influence on western philosophy (in a good way). He would not stand a chance today.

For starters, they wouldn't have much use for this nice statue of him in Spain:


46 posted on 09/07/2013 2:56:30 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dysart

I got a theory.

There are 2 sides in history, God’s and Satan’s.

Satan rebelled out of pride, so we are taught. Why would it be any different for the angels who fell with him?

So while my theory is that while the demons in Hell will work together against Christ, they will also stab each other in the back when an opportunity arises.

That’s why, whatever the differences in ideology, or other motives, of his followers, thye all hate Christianity, and the Western world that it created.

Now there might be those who would prefer a more secular explanation, and I’m fine with that. But the observation seems indisputable that they all have a common enemy.


47 posted on 09/07/2013 3:07:54 PM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Rummyfan

As always, Steyn is BRILLIANT.

But may I be the first (female) FReeper to add to the thread...

TTIWWP.

I’ll await the photographic onslaught.


48 posted on 09/07/2013 3:12:05 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...)
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To: M Kehoe

Actually, he asked that we post excerpts only.


49 posted on 09/07/2013 3:17:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: CondorFlight

-——A couple of books (by Ward-Perkins and Emmet Scott) propose that the decline of western Europe in the Middle Ages was not really due to the barbarian invasions; but to the end of trade in the Mediterranean,
which was a direct result of the Islamic conquest.——

Amazing what you don’t learn in our education system....


50 posted on 09/07/2013 3:31:28 PM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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