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Obama's Syria War Is Really About Iran and Israel
The Nation ^ | September 5, 2013 | Bob Dreyfuss

Posted on 09/07/2013 5:03:01 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

The dirty little not-so-secret behind President Obama’s much-lobbied-for, illegal and strategically incompetent war against Syria is that it’s not about Syria at all. It’s about Iran—and Israel. And it has been from the start.

By “the start,” I mean 2011, when the Obama administration gradually became convinced that it could deal Iran a mortal blow by toppling President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, a secular, Baathist strongman who is, despite all, an ally of Iran’s. Since then, taking Iran down a peg has been the driving force behind Obama’s Syria policy.

Not coincidentally, the White House plans to scare members of Congress into supporting the ill-conceived war plan by waving the Iranian flag in their faces. Even liberal Democrats, some of whom are opposing or questioning war with Syria, blanch at the prospect of opposing Obama and the Israel lobby over Iran.

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Obama in search of a legacy...
1 posted on 09/07/2013 5:03:01 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I think it is also about doing the dirty for the House of Saud.


2 posted on 09/07/2013 5:05:16 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

So the Nation thinks obama is going help Iran destroy Israel?
That makes more sense than him helping Israel, obama loathes Israel.


3 posted on 09/07/2013 5:06:16 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The war is about the LNG pipleine from Qatar to the Med. The Saudi’s want this too. The Russians, and by proxy Assad, do not.

If the pipeline goes in, the Russains lose influence on Western Europe via energy.

The Qataris’ plan goes forward, and the Shiite’s win. Saudi plan goes forward the Sunni’s win.

Follow the money.


4 posted on 09/07/2013 5:06:59 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

His Arrogance is doing exactly what he is told .... by the Saudis and the rest of the Arab oil barons.


5 posted on 09/07/2013 5:07:45 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives are never accountable for "unintended consequences" .... just for causing most)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Well if Israel is attacked by her neighbors its a good thing we have ships right there. However let's be clear about what Team Obama are really all about.

Obama advisor (now UN ambassador) calls for the invasion of Israel
6 posted on 09/07/2013 5:07:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

If it was about a strike against Iran’s nuclear
and military complex, a massive strike, I would have
no problem with it. I’ts this piddling halfass bullcrap
that is going to get us in a bad place.


7 posted on 09/07/2013 5:08:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

It has always been more about Iran and regime change than poison gas. Assad in return for aid has allowed Iran to locate their short range ballistic missiles if forward Syrian positions. As long as they are in place, Israel cannot attack Iran’s nuclear facilities with impunity. If Assad is overthrown, the new rulers of Syria will throw out the Iranians. This cannot be done with a “limited strike”. It will be a horrendous conflict with boots and American blood on the ground.


8 posted on 09/07/2013 5:12:27 PM PDT by allendale
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To: volunbeer

I don’t trust this article. He’s spewing Obie’s dreams regarding Khoemeni and Putin’s pronouncements. All bunk, imho.


9 posted on 09/07/2013 5:16:11 PM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

There are no lasting loyalties in the middle east. It’s tribe against tribe, family against family, minute by minute.

There is only one thing to do: do whatever is best for Israel.


10 posted on 09/07/2013 5:17:20 PM PDT by lurk
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To: tet68

Anybody who believes Obama is looking out for Israel is an idiot anyway.


11 posted on 09/07/2013 5:17:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: allendale

I am doubtful of the article as well or that Obama is that interested in helping Israel. But regardless the collection of rebels that can’t even win against Assad don’t have a chance in hell of overthrowing an Iranian regime.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 5:19:14 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: cripplecreek

what specifically is the difference in the mullahs in charge of Iran and Valerie Jarrett’s Iranian roots ?

therein is the biscuit


13 posted on 09/07/2013 5:19:35 PM PDT by advertising guy ( Congress should not be afraid of Rush Limbaugh, Congress should be petrified of God)
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To: tet68

I’m just not following the logic of this story. Doesn’t make sense to me.

When Iran announces it has nuclear weapons, they will have several.

I’m not seeing how taking Syria will take out or deter Iran’s nuke progress.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 5:20:16 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Ouderkirk
Bingo.

Western Europe desperately wants to get a LNG pipeline around Russian control to keep the lucrative energy profits in the West.

They would love a war between Russia and the US where they profit in multiple ways and the US gets death and debt as reward for being suckers.

15 posted on 09/07/2013 5:20:20 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: advertising guy

It isn’t about being Iranian, it’s about being an obscenely wealthy and powerful Iranian.


16 posted on 09/07/2013 5:22:14 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: servantboy777

It WON’T. That is liberal logic for you.


17 posted on 09/07/2013 5:23:21 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Ouderkirk

That makes more sense than anything else.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 5:24:52 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Hotlanta Mike

No its about Saudis and Iranians.


19 posted on 09/07/2013 5:25:49 PM PDT by struggle
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To: struggle

the Iranian angle ain’t been ‘splained well yet


20 posted on 09/07/2013 5:28:34 PM PDT by advertising guy ( Congress should not be afraid of Rush Limbaugh, Congress should be petrified of God)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

This is way, way above the Anointed One’s pay grade. And intellect. The more convoluted the process, the more potential for the community organizer to screw it up. The only time our Constitution, economy, civil rights and national security is really safe is when this imbecile is playing golf.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 5:29:39 PM PDT by Spok
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To: lurk

No, we do what is best for the US. It would be US blood that is shed in this.


22 posted on 09/07/2013 5:36:38 PM PDT by dforest
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To: erlayman

Did not mean to imply that a new Syrian regime would try to overthrow the current Iranian theocracy. However the new Syrian regime would force the Iranians to leave Syria and would prevent them from positioning missiles in Syria. That would be a huge strategic shift. Those Iranian missile batteries in Syria are currently preventing Israel from attacking Iran with impunity. IMHO that is a prime goal of Kerry’s “limited strike” If it were successful it would help Kerry secure the Democratic nomination in 2016.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 5:38:34 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Article is bs. Syria could be dragged out to the ocean and sunk and meanwhile Iran continues to build nuclear missiles to kill the Great Satan and take over all the gulf oil etc etc If O were willing to eliminate the Iranian danger I’d say yes yes. But to bomb Syria does NOTHING to eliminate the Iranian nukes. Nothing. The article is pure bunk.


24 posted on 09/07/2013 6:11:13 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
So, go after Iran.

Zer0 blew his gift in the lap of the Iranian Green Revolution. B0z0.

25 posted on 09/07/2013 6:11:25 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Hotlanta Mike
when the Obama administration gradually became convinced that it could deal Iran a mortal blow by toppling President Bashar al-Assad of Syria

Obama has NO interest in toppling Iran. If he had, he would have put his support behind the Green Movement.

Instead, he put his support behind Morsi in Egypt and Al Qaeda in Libya and said nothing about the kids getting murdered in Iran.

26 posted on 09/07/2013 6:28:15 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” ― Socrates)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; All

Hmm. Articles critical of the proposed Syrian adventure in The Nation, In These Times and Mother Jones. Are we at the “if I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost the nation” inflection point?


27 posted on 09/07/2013 6:30:19 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (No blood for Obama's Intemperate Linedrawing)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Obama in search of a legacy...

Oh, how lucky we will be if you are correct!

28 posted on 09/07/2013 6:30:37 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” Socrates)
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To: volunbeer
I think it is also about doing the dirty for the House of Saud.

The House of Saud turned against Obama when Obama backed Morsi and the MB. Their turn was a slow one however as they were awakened slowly to the danger the MB posed to the Kingdom.

29 posted on 09/07/2013 6:33:03 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” Socrates)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Obama in search of a legacy...

O'Bomber's legacy will be:

Solutions in search of a problem.

30 posted on 09/07/2013 6:33:08 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: faithhopecharity

It’s also BS that Obama actually thought this through. In reality, he avoids the complexities of leadership at every opportunity. The bottom line here is that if some MSM reporter hadn’t reminded the world of Obama’s year-old ‘red line’ comment after this most recent gas attack, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.


31 posted on 09/07/2013 6:39:21 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

If it’s really about Iran then why not just...go after Iran?


32 posted on 09/07/2013 6:42:44 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama is the biggest joke. But I can't laugh.)
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To: struggle

“No its about Saudis and Iranians.”

Bingo! This is about the Caliphate and who is going to control it.

Question everyone should be asking is, “where did Obama come from and who is responsible for his rise?


33 posted on 09/07/2013 6:48:57 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
BS! This is another straw to grasp at. The U.N. Ambassador already said that they expected Iran and Russia to turn on Syria when news leaked of a Syrian chemical weapons attack.

This is not a move to "cripple Iran" -- this is a move to topple the Assad government in favor of a radical Muslim one.

34 posted on 09/07/2013 6:51:11 PM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: All
Come on folks, of course this is utter bovine scat! This is The Nation - the oldest, (since 1865) continuously published, weekly politics and culture magazine in the U.S. It is extreme far left-progressive. The odious Katrina vanden Heuvel is the editor.
35 posted on 09/07/2013 9:33:57 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Hotlanta Mike

This article reads like propaganda.

Obama has supported Iran’s agenda every chance he could. Why would he change course now?


36 posted on 09/07/2013 9:47:01 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Legacy? No...DESTRUCTION of Christians and Jews.


37 posted on 09/08/2013 3:31:10 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
...convinced that it could deal Iran a mortal blow by toppling President Bashar al-Assad of Syria...

The world is his dominoes and he won't be happy until the entire string has fallen and the planet is in barbaric ruins.

38 posted on 09/08/2013 4:22:40 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: pluvmantelo

Hmm. Articles critical of the proposed Syrian adventure in The Nation, In These Times and Mother Jones. Are we at the “if I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost the nation” inflection point?


The Amateur in the White House...


39 posted on 09/08/2013 5:53:32 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: trebb

Is Syria the one big wag the doggie???

Politico’s Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei: Amnesty ‘Dead’ Until 2017

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/06/Politico-s-Mike-Allen-and-Jim-VandeHei-Amnesty-dead-until-2017


40 posted on 09/08/2013 5:57:23 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The article is correct.

With the syrian surrogate gone, Iran becomes much less a factor.

The article includes Israel, but the Gulf States are as or more important. Iran seeks hegemony over all the region. Iran covets Mecca.

To bring stability to the Region, Iran must be neutered.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 5:58:05 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Is Syria the one big wag the doggie??? Politico’s Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei: Amnesty ‘Dead’ Until 2017

Who really knows what it is? You have to be dealing with sane people to be able to develop a real perspective.

As far as "amnesty being dead" - the current trend has instituted amnesty without it being an official philosophy - no real difference if we don't protect the borders and refuse to send them back. Delaying the conversation until 2017 will just further entrench the illegals and their supporters and not have any beneficial affect on Americans.

42 posted on 09/08/2013 7:32:12 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Obama Blocked Israeli Strike on Iran
Frontpage Mag | Sept 7, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield
Posted on 09/07/2013 7:22:33 PM PDT by Innovative
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3063964/posts


43 posted on 09/08/2013 10:55:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Bob+Dreyfuss


44 posted on 09/08/2013 10:57:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Robert Dreyfuss is a LaRoucher:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dreyfuss

Robert Dreyfuss is a freelance investigative journalist whose work has appeared in The Nation, Rolling Stone, The Diplomat, Mother Jones, The American Prospect, and other progressive publications. His work also appears on line at TomPaine.com. Dreyfuss received a bachelor’s degree from Columbia University. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Dreyfuss was Middle East Intelligence director of the Executive Intelligence Review, the flagship journal of the Lyndon LaRouche movement. His 1981 book, Hostage to Khomeini, was commissioned by Lyndon LaRouche. In the book Robert Dreyfuss provides a detailed explanation of why the Carter administration was fooled into supporting the Khomeini revolutionaries but Khomeini backstabbed the US after the Shah was brought to the US for treatment. The book discusses how various officials in the Carter administration believed that an Islamic Iran could export the Islamic revolution to the Soviet Muslims and cause a break-up of the Soviet Union.This did indeed happen with a rise in an Islamic insurgency inside the Soviet Union which led to its breakup. The chechans Islamists continue to create major havoc for the Russians. Robert Dreyfuss named Cyrus Hashemi as being an CIA and Mossad agent and Cyrus Hashemi sued Robert Dreyfuss and Lyndon Larouche. Victor Ostrovsky in his book revealed that Cyrus Hashemi had indeed been a Mossad asset and had been assassinated by Mossad to shut him up because he was a testifying in a court trial in the US investigating Iran Contra. and it was cowritten with Thierry LeMarc. The book was published by the LaRouche publishing house of the time, New Benjamin Franklin House. In the 1990s Dreyfuss wrote on intelligence issues and foreign affairs, and profiled a number of organizations and public figures, including then governor of Texas, George W. Bush, and senators Trent Lott and John McCain.


45 posted on 09/08/2013 11:00:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv; SJackson; Nachum; Alexa; ExTexasRedhead; 2ndDivisionVet; TurboZamboni

BUMP the crazy bio of the author.


46 posted on 09/08/2013 1:13:43 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

If someone could show me that attacking Syria would help keep Iran from getting nukes and protect Israel, I would be all for it. So far I haven’t soon a good case made for it.


47 posted on 09/08/2013 2:17:29 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot
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