Skip to comments.Pearl Harbor mystery being investigated
Posted on 09/07/2013 8:06:50 PM PDT by Daffynition
HONOLULU (AP) - Historians hope to solve one of the remaining mysteries of the Pearl Harbor attack and discover what happened to 29 Japanese airmen and four sailors missing in action.
Most are believed to have been lost at sea around Hawaii and in Pearl Harbor. But four aircrew members may still lie buried in unmarked graves in Ewa Beach and in the hills above Aiea.
"For a long time, we didn't even know the names (of the Japanese losses)," said Daniel Martinez, chief historian for the World War II Valor in the Pacific National Monument. "And I can be honest with you, at a given point in our earlier history, we didn't care, because of the nature of the attack."
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To display their names at the USS Arizona Memorial is an outrage.
The nature of the attack is the nature of the attack and it will BE the nature of the attack for time immemorial
My 5th grade teacher in Chino, California and a friend of my family in Iowa were both “participants” of the Bataan Death March and my father fought in numerous battles, including Okinawa. If they were alive today, I’ll bet their first priority would be assuaging the grieving families of these Imperial Navy sailors. Top of their list.
I don’t disagree. However, I am not sure their names belong aside our dead.
I am willing to forgive the individuals. I cannot allow the attack to be forgotten—or the manner in which it happened.
I really think that is about as good as its going to get.
Even the Japanese on 12/7/41 had boots on the ground.
“Martinez says there’s a proposal to display the names in an exhibit at the USS Arizona Memorial visitor’s center. He said this “will bring total closure to the casualty list that actually exists right here on our grounds.”
Agreed. They and a whole lot more japs finally got what they deserved but not enough.
We try to let it go into the past but the revisionists keep digging it up
I think about this when I see an old western, we modern Americans will never know what it is like to just be able to bury a dead person where we find them, in such a matter of fact way.
“to display the names in an exhibit at the USS Arizona Memorial visitors center.”
That would be a separate smallish exhibit and not with the names of our dead. If you have been to the USS Arizona, you know that is dedicated to our dead. I don’t know if it is still happening, but to see the oil of the sunken ship still rising in the water, takes one back to that time.
While we’re at why not hunt for the charred remains of Hitler and his floozy?
As of last year (when I visited the Memorial) the diesel oil was still leaking and the smell was noticeable. Very haunting. There is still an enormous amount of oil in the rusting shell of the Arizonia. Environmentalists are concerned that at some point the rusting hull of the ship will not be able to contain it and a massive oil spill will result, but even they are not proposing to disturb the Memorial.
Let us not desecrate our honored dead.
From the plaque at the memorial:
U.S.S. ARIZONA MEMORIAL
WAR MEMORIAL OF THE PACIFIC
PEARL HARBOR, HAWAII
“....IN HONOR AND IN COMMEMORATION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES TO THEIR COUNTRY DURING THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR, HAWAII ON DECEMBER 7, 1941. PUBLIC LAW 87-201”
Gen. Douglas MacArthur said on his return to Corregidor, “I see that the old flagpole still stands. Have your troops hoist the colors to its peak and let no enemy ever again haul it down.”
A separate memorial for the enemy soldiers, away from the Arizona is preferable.
Only further example of the real estate holdings and power of the Japanese in HI. We have not done this with Germans who are allies... why would we with Japanese. Both countries understand that their historical figures play no part in our current relations except that it should remind them of what would happen to them, if they did it again.
It is some whitewash liberal crap, a product of the little twerps and academes (and queers) in the National Park Service which controls the memorial, that would put a plaque up at the Arizona to the attackers OF the Arizona. One idiotic idea. Here’s a question— is there ANY plaque put up by the Japanese in honor to the thousands they KILLED on Bataan Death March or in countless island POW camps (Aussies beheaded, forced slave labor) or to the European internees (jap word for it) in Shanghai or Nanking? Answer: NO. But there are hundreds of memorials from different nations to Americans who gave their lives to defeat Imperial Japan.
Someone needs to make whoever is proposing this aware that this was an attack by the japanese— undeclared war. The ones who died in it are NOT to be honored with the sacred dead of OUR US personnel, in the place where Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd (Arizona was his flagship)was blown to bits and his US Naval Academy ring is now fused to a bulkhead from the heat of the blast that day. Hell, no.
“As of last year (when I visited the Memorial) the diesel oil was still leaking and the smell was noticeable.”
Thanks for telling me because it has been some years since I was there.
The other example of that attack that gets me are where the bullets/ordinance hit the outside walls of buildings on the air base. Those were left there as a reminder.
But, let’s not forget it really wasn’t an attack on us as the Japanese didn’t put boots on the ground except the ones who crashed in their airplanes and that doesn’t count. /s
Confucius say man who dig up war explode.
There is still such a thing a forgiveness. I am a native Arizonan. I can forgive a former enemy. And I can withstand the criticism of those who cannot forgive.
Screw them (for lack of better word)screw them all.
Quite a few permanently in the ground.
Native Hawaiians defend their homeland— honored to this day by true Hawaiians who are proud Americans.
The Niihau Incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_Incident
A jap pilot in the attack crash landed on the private island Niihau.
Quote:”Ben Kanahele then picked Nishikaichi up in the same manner that he picked up the sheep that were commercially raised on the island, hurling Nishikaichi into a stone wall. Ella Kanahele then bashed him in the head with a rock, and Ben slit his throat with his hunting knife. Harada then turned the shotgun on himself, committing suicide.”
The dichotomy between you post and tag line I find amusing, minimally.
Fine, forgive them. No way should they be honored with the very people- sailors— they killed. No way at all- that is noones purview except the japs.. and they can build their own memorial somewhere else and pay for it, too.
Pearl Harbor was a “limited strike”.
My father also fought at Okinawa, and later served multiple tours of duty and deployments in China, Korea, Japan, The Philippines, and Vietnam.
I am certain he would have favored some sort of memorial for these men.
Not as part of the Arizona Memorial, but certainly a plaque or some sort of mini-shrine at a local museum.
Yep. Just like Syria will be...
My father occupied China and Japan and was later in the Korean War and early Vietnam.
I wonder if they knew each other?
Anything is possible, although Okinawa was a huge battle, akin to D-Day at Normandy.
“And I can be honest with you, at a given point in our earlier history, we didn’t care, because of the nature of the attack.”
And still don’t.
They can “display the names”
Inside urinals at the Pearl visitors center. I would be okay with that.
We used to say, “There’s nothing wrong with the Hawaiian economy, that a crash in the Japanese stock market wouldn’t cure.”
Considering it was only one branch of a 7-branched attack, it's breadth was throughout the reach of the Japanese Empire, leaving them as the controlling party of over half the Earth's surface upon it's conclusion.
Yeah, but Okinawa, China, Korea, Japan AND Vietnam?
That enhances the chances a bit.
He was helping protect a coal mine from Mao’s troops in post WWII northern China, never got a clear idea of where in Korea he was, big chunks of the 50’s and early 60s at Atsugi, Da Nang in ‘67-68.
Except for shipboard defense on the Maryland off Okinawa, mostly ground support for Marine aviation.
Yes. I remember asking my dad why they hadn't painted them.
He was in communications, eventually becoming a commo chief as a gunnery sergeant. Went back to Okinawa again and again. I know he was in the 9th Defense Battalion in Korea and was with a survey team going to Vietnam in the late 50’s or early 60’s when it was decided we’d be taking the Frog’s place there. He went Fleet Reserve in 1965.
Oddly enough, Adolf's bodyguard Rochus Misch just checked out the other day, at 96.
"He was a wonderful boss," Misch said. "I lived with him for five years. We were the closest people who worked with him ... we were always there. Hitler was never without us day and night."
On April 28, Misch saw the familiar figures of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels and Hitler confidant Martin Bormann enter the bunker with a man he had never seen before.
"I asked who it was, and they said that's the civil magistrate who has come to perform Hitler's marriage," Misch said.
That night, Hitler and longtime mistress Eva Braun were married in a short ceremony in which they both pledged they were of pure Aryan descent before taking their vows and signing a registry book.
"We heard no shot, we heard nothing, but one of those who was in the hallway, I don't remember if it was Guensche or Bormann, said 'Linge, Linge, I think it's done,'" Misch said, referring to Hitler's valet Heinz Linge.
"Then everything was really quiet, everything was still ... who opened the door I don't remember, Guensche or Linge. They opened the door, and I naturally looked, and then there was a short pause and the second door was opened... and I saw Hitler lying on the table like so," Misch said, putting his head down on his hands on his living-room table.
"And Eva lay like so on the sofa with knees up, her head to him. I don't remember now if Hitler sat on the sofa or on a chair next to it." Eva Braun had died of poisoning and Hitler had shot himself.
An OK, if not optimal, outcome for the European Theater.
It also heralded the death of the battleship as the mainstay of naval power and the birth of carrier warfare as it’s replacement.
Japan has a consulate in Honolulu. If feel they must then may I suggest build it next to there.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Unlikely then. Still, it would have been kewl...
So true. And like the muzzies who attacked NYC and Pentagon.. now they have a mosque in NYC as a victory tab, and special treatment in the military and have infiltrated our govt with a “cut-out” fraud as their leader without a history, and a DCIA who is a catholic convert to islam? And sharia law trying to be implemented into our own sacred Constitution and courts?—amazing. Just like the Japs attack Pearl and after the war the foreign Japs moved in and acquired our land. Should not have been allowed, ever. Not taking anything away from the Nisei who served in Italy— they paid the price, like all our Daddies did.
A song written by a friend, and performed by real US Navy Men:
“Daddy Was a Navy Man”
“Old Sailors Never Die, they just Sail Away”
“Sail ye well. Squared Away!”
Historians hope to solve one of the remaining mysteries of the Pearl Harbor attack and discover what happened to 29 Japanese airmen and four sailors missing in action... "For a long time, we didn't even know the names (of the Japanese losses)," said Daniel Martinez, chief historian for the World War II Valor in the Pacific National Monument. "And I can be honest with you, at a given point in our earlier history, we didn't care, because of the nature of the attack."Unlike some people, I *would* cross the street to piss on their graves.