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Pearl Harbor mystery being investigated
AP via the The Maui ^ | September 4, 2013 | AP

Posted on 09/07/2013 8:06:50 PM PDT by Daffynition

HONOLULU (AP) - Historians hope to solve one of the remaining mysteries of the Pearl Harbor attack and discover what happened to 29 Japanese airmen and four sailors missing in action.

Most are believed to have been lost at sea around Hawaii and in Pearl Harbor. But four aircrew members may still lie buried in unmarked graves in Ewa Beach and in the hills above Aiea.

"For a long time, we didn't even know the names (of the Japanese losses)," said Daniel Martinez, chief historian for the World War II Valor in the Pacific National Monument. "And I can be honest with you, at a given point in our earlier history, we didn't care, because of the nature of the attack."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: december7th1941; godsgravesglyphs; worldwareleven; worldwartwo
I still don't care.

To display their names at the USS Arizona Memorial is an outrage.

1 posted on 09/07/2013 8:06:50 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition
And that nature is STILL the nature and nature doesn't change.

The nature of the attack is the nature of the attack and it will BE the nature of the attack for time immemorial

2 posted on 09/07/2013 8:10:32 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Daffynition

My 5th grade teacher in Chino, California and a friend of my family in Iowa were both “participants” of the Bataan Death March and my father fought in numerous battles, including Okinawa. If they were alive today, I’ll bet their first priority would be assuaging the grieving families of these Imperial Navy sailors. Top of their list.


3 posted on 09/07/2013 8:11:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t disagree. However, I am not sure their names belong aside our dead.

I am willing to forgive the individuals. I cannot allow the attack to be forgotten—or the manner in which it happened.

I really think that is about as good as its going to get.


4 posted on 09/07/2013 8:14:41 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: Daffynition

Even the Japanese on 12/7/41 had boots on the ground.


5 posted on 09/07/2013 8:16:47 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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To: Daffynition

“Martinez says there’s a proposal to display the names in an exhibit at the USS Arizona Memorial visitor’s center. He said this “will bring total closure to the casualty list that actually exists right here on our grounds.”

Wow...


6 posted on 09/07/2013 8:20:16 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: Daffynition

Agreed. They and a whole lot more japs finally got what they deserved but not enough.

We try to let it go into the past but the revisionists keep digging it up


7 posted on 09/07/2013 8:50:57 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Daffynition
But four aircrew members may still lie buried in unmarked graves in Ewa Beach and in the hills above Aiea.

I think about this when I see an old western, we modern Americans will never know what it is like to just be able to bury a dead person where we find them, in such a matter of fact way.

8 posted on 09/07/2013 8:51:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“to display the names in an exhibit at the USS Arizona Memorial visitor’s center.”

That would be a separate smallish exhibit and not with the names of our dead. If you have been to the USS Arizona, you know that is dedicated to our dead. I don’t know if it is still happening, but to see the oil of the sunken ship still rising in the water, takes one back to that time.


9 posted on 09/07/2013 8:55:57 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Daffynition

While we’re at why not hunt for the charred remains of Hitler and his floozy?


10 posted on 09/07/2013 9:06:58 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Marcella

As of last year (when I visited the Memorial) the diesel oil was still leaking and the smell was noticeable. Very haunting. There is still an enormous amount of oil in the rusting shell of the Arizonia. Environmentalists are concerned that at some point the rusting hull of the ship will not be able to contain it and a massive oil spill will result, but even they are not proposing to disturb the Memorial.


11 posted on 09/07/2013 9:13:15 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: knarf

Let us not desecrate our honored dead.

From the plaque at the memorial:

U.S.S. ARIZONA MEMORIAL

WAR MEMORIAL OF THE PACIFIC

PEARL HARBOR, HAWAII

“....IN HONOR AND IN COMMEMORATION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES TO THEIR COUNTRY DURING THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR, HAWAII ON DECEMBER 7, 1941. PUBLIC LAW 87-201”

Gen. Douglas MacArthur said on his return to Corregidor, “I see that the old flagpole still stands. Have your troops hoist the colors to its peak and let no enemy ever again haul it down.”

A separate memorial for the enemy soldiers, away from the Arizona is preferable.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 9:20:27 PM PDT by Memphis Moe
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To: Daffynition

Only further example of the real estate holdings and power of the Japanese in HI. We have not done this with Germans who are allies... why would we with Japanese. Both countries understand that their historical figures play no part in our current relations except that it should remind them of what would happen to them, if they did it again.

It is some whitewash liberal crap, a product of the little twerps and academes (and queers) in the National Park Service which controls the memorial, that would put a plaque up at the Arizona to the attackers OF the Arizona. One idiotic idea. Here’s a question— is there ANY plaque put up by the Japanese in honor to the thousands they KILLED on Bataan Death March or in countless island POW camps (Aussies beheaded, forced slave labor) or to the European internees (jap word for it) in Shanghai or Nanking? Answer: NO. But there are hundreds of memorials from different nations to Americans who gave their lives to defeat Imperial Japan.

Someone needs to make whoever is proposing this aware that this was an attack by the japanese— undeclared war. The ones who died in it are NOT to be honored with the sacred dead of OUR US personnel, in the place where Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd (Arizona was his flagship)was blown to bits and his US Naval Academy ring is now fused to a bulkhead from the heat of the blast that day. Hell, no.


13 posted on 09/07/2013 9:21:51 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Huskrrrr

“As of last year (when I visited the Memorial) the diesel oil was still leaking and the smell was noticeable.”

Thanks for telling me because it has been some years since I was there.

The other example of that attack that gets me are where the bullets/ordinance hit the outside walls of buildings on the air base. Those were left there as a reminder.

But, let’s not forget it really wasn’t an attack on us as the Japanese didn’t put boots on the ground except the ones who crashed in their airplanes and that doesn’t count. /s


14 posted on 09/07/2013 9:27:11 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Daffynition

Confucius say man who dig up war explode.


15 posted on 09/07/2013 9:27:42 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Daffynition

There is still such a thing a forgiveness. I am a native Arizonan. I can forgive a former enemy. And I can withstand the criticism of those who cannot forgive.


16 posted on 09/07/2013 9:30:15 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Screw them (for lack of better word)screw them all.


17 posted on 09/07/2013 9:31:14 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Mike Darancette

Quite a few permanently in the ground.

Native Hawaiians defend their homeland— honored to this day by true Hawaiians who are proud Americans.

The Niihau Incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_Incident

A jap pilot in the attack crash landed on the private island Niihau.

Quote:”Ben Kanahele then picked Nishikaichi up in the same manner that he picked up the sheep that were commercially raised on the island, hurling Nishikaichi into a stone wall. Ella Kanahele then bashed him in the head with a rock, and Ben slit his throat with his hunting knife. Harada then turned the shotgun on himself, committing suicide.”


18 posted on 09/07/2013 9:34:24 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: righttackle44

The dichotomy between you post and tag line I find amusing, minimally.


19 posted on 09/07/2013 9:35:52 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: righttackle44

Fine, forgive them. No way should they be honored with the very people- sailors— they killed. No way at all- that is noones purview except the japs.. and they can build their own memorial somewhere else and pay for it, too.


20 posted on 09/07/2013 9:36:16 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Daffynition

Pearl Harbor was a “limited strike”.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 9:36:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My father also fought at Okinawa, and later served multiple tours of duty and deployments in China, Korea, Japan, The Philippines, and Vietnam.

I am certain he would have favored some sort of memorial for these men.

Not as part of the Arizona Memorial, but certainly a plaque or some sort of mini-shrine at a local museum.


22 posted on 09/07/2013 10:03:28 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: dfwgator

Yep. Just like Syria will be...


23 posted on 09/07/2013 10:06:46 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

My father occupied China and Japan and was later in the Korean War and early Vietnam.


24 posted on 09/07/2013 10:07:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if they knew each other?


25 posted on 09/07/2013 10:30:03 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Anything is possible, although Okinawa was a huge battle, akin to D-Day at Normandy.


26 posted on 09/07/2013 10:42:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Daffynition

“And I can be honest with you, at a given point in our earlier history, we didn’t care, because of the nature of the attack.”

And still don’t.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 10:42:45 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

They can “display the names”

Inside urinals at the Pearl visitors center. I would be okay with that.


28 posted on 09/07/2013 10:47:13 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: John S Mosby

We used to say, “There’s nothing wrong with the Hawaiian economy, that a crash in the Japanese stock market wouldn’t cure.”


29 posted on 09/07/2013 10:49:53 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: dfwgator
Pearl Harbor was a “limited strike”.

Considering it was only one branch of a 7-branched attack, it's breadth was throughout the reach of the Japanese Empire, leaving them as the controlling party of over half the Earth's surface upon it's conclusion.

30 posted on 09/07/2013 10:53:52 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, but Okinawa, China, Korea, Japan AND Vietnam?

That enhances the chances a bit.

He was helping protect a coal mine from Mao’s troops in post WWII northern China, never got a clear idea of where in Korea he was, big chunks of the 50’s and early 60s at Atsugi, Da Nang in ‘67-68.

Except for shipboard defense on the Maryland off Okinawa, mostly ground support for Marine aviation.


31 posted on 09/07/2013 10:59:12 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Marcella
The other example of that attack that gets me are where the bullets/ordinance hit the outside walls of buildings on the air base. Those were left there as a reminder.

Yes. I remember asking my dad why they hadn't painted them.

32 posted on 09/07/2013 11:01:08 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

He was in communications, eventually becoming a commo chief as a gunnery sergeant. Went back to Okinawa again and again. I know he was in the 9th Defense Battalion in Korea and was with a survey team going to Vietnam in the late 50’s or early 60’s when it was decided we’d be taking the Frog’s place there. He went Fleet Reserve in 1965.


33 posted on 09/07/2013 11:06:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Huskrrrr
While we’re at why not hunt for the charred remains of Hitler and his floozy?

Oddly enough, Adolf's bodyguard Rochus Misch just checked out the other day, at 96.

"He was a wonderful boss," Misch said. "I lived with him for five years. We were the closest people who worked with him ... we were always there. Hitler was never without us day and night."

...

On April 28, Misch saw the familiar figures of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels and Hitler confidant Martin Bormann enter the bunker with a man he had never seen before.

"I asked who it was, and they said that's the civil magistrate who has come to perform Hitler's marriage," Misch said.

That night, Hitler and longtime mistress Eva Braun were married in a short ceremony in which they both pledged they were of pure Aryan descent before taking their vows and signing a registry book.

...

"We heard no shot, we heard nothing, but one of those who was in the hallway, I don't remember if it was Guensche or Bormann, said 'Linge, Linge, I think it's done,'" Misch said, referring to Hitler's valet Heinz Linge.

"Then everything was really quiet, everything was still ... who opened the door I don't remember, Guensche or Linge. They opened the door, and I naturally looked, and then there was a short pause and the second door was opened... and I saw Hitler lying on the table like so," Misch said, putting his head down on his hands on his living-room table.

"And Eva lay like so on the sofa with knees up, her head to him. I don't remember now if Hitler sat on the sofa or on a chair next to it." Eva Braun had died of poisoning and Hitler had shot himself.

An OK, if not optimal, outcome for the European Theater.

34 posted on 09/07/2013 11:14:59 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Cvengr

It also heralded the death of the battleship as the mainstay of naval power and the birth of carrier warfare as it’s replacement.

Japan has a consulate in Honolulu. If feel they must then may I suggest build it next to there.


35 posted on 09/07/2013 11:56:14 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: cynwoody

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.


36 posted on 09/08/2013 7:37:10 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unlikely then. Still, it would have been kewl...


37 posted on 09/08/2013 8:39:14 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Cvengr; ConorMacNessa

So true. And like the muzzies who attacked NYC and Pentagon.. now they have a mosque in NYC as a victory tab, and special treatment in the military and have infiltrated our govt with a “cut-out” fraud as their leader without a history, and a DCIA who is a catholic convert to islam? And sharia law trying to be implemented into our own sacred Constitution and courts?—amazing. Just like the Japs attack Pearl and after the war the foreign Japs moved in and acquired our land. Should not have been allowed, ever. Not taking anything away from the Nisei who served in Italy— they paid the price, like all our Daddies did.

A song written by a friend, and performed by real US Navy Men:
“Daddy Was a Navy Man”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaR1MWiVhzk

“Old Sailors Never Die, they just Sail Away”

“Sail ye well. Squared Away!”


38 posted on 09/08/2013 9:18:18 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Daffynition

Thanks Daffynition.
Historians hope to solve one of the remaining mysteries of the Pearl Harbor attack and discover what happened to 29 Japanese airmen and four sailors missing in action... "For a long time, we didn't even know the names (of the Japanese losses)," said Daniel Martinez, chief historian for the World War II Valor in the Pacific National Monument. "And I can be honest with you, at a given point in our earlier history, we didn't care, because of the nature of the attack."
Unlike some people, I *would* cross the street to piss on their graves.

39 posted on 09/08/2013 9:57:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Not only do we have the stress of straying from our roots with the Constitution, now we need, more than ever, to rebuke revisionist history being shoved down our throats.


40 posted on 09/08/2013 4:20:48 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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