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Possible Compromise Bill on Syria Intervention Emerges in Senate
The Nation ^ | 9-6-2013

Posted on 09/07/2013 8:31:11 PM PDT by ClaytonP

A familiar refrain among proponents of intervention in Syria is that “doing nothing is not an option.” While a wide range of non-military options have been proposed in the public sphere, from increasing aid to rebel groups to plowing money into programs for refugees, there hasn’t been much in the Senate outside of the military intervention proposal passed by the Foreign Relations Committee.

But Friday, Senators Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp floated one possible alternative: a bill that would demand that Bashar al-Assad sign Syria to the Chemical Weapons Convention treaty and take “concrete steps” to comply. If he failed to do so within forty-five days, the United States would launch a military attack.

The bill, which was first reported by Politico is still being drafted. Here is a full summary obtained by Roll Call:

Statement of Policy. It is the policy of the United States that-

The Government of Syria must become a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention and take concrete steps to comply with the terms and conditions of the Convention;

The failure by the government of Bashar al-Assad to sign and comply with the Convention clearly demonstrates a disregard of international norms on the use of chemical weapons;

and If the Government of Syria does not sign the Convention within 45 after the date of the enactment of this resolution, all elements of national power will be considered by the United States government.

Requirement for a Syria strategy and building and international coalition. Not later than 45 days after the date of the enactment of this resolution, the President shall submit to Congress a long term strategy for Syria, while concurrently using all appropriate diplomatic tools to develop and secure commitments from the international community with the shared strategic interest of preventing the proliferation and use of Syria’s chemical weapons.

The bill has some obvious drawbacks—namely, if one believes the intelligence, Assad has already explicitly failed to comply with the treaty by launching attacks. The bill is vulnerable to criticism that it essentially gives Assad a pass on the initial attack, and just offers him the opportunity for a do-over. Moreover, as Juan Cole and other observers have speculated, Assad used the weapons because he feels existentially threatened by the rebellion in his country. A warning from the United States might not change his calculus at all, and thus only forestall, but not prevent, military action.

On the other hand, proponents of intervention repeatedly say their goal is to stop the use of chemical weapons, and if this resolution passed and Assad did sign the treaty, the mission would be accomplished. Manchin and Heitkamp aren’t commenting on the bill yet, but would likely argue it at least gives a diplomatic solution a chance before the bombs started dropping.

It seems unlikely this legislation could pass the Senate, given presumed opposition from the White House and proponents of intervention, along with doves who don’t want any roadmap to military intervention, period. But it may still have an immediate effect on the debate: namely, it could give senators who want to vote against the military intervention some cover, by providing an alternative they can support.

The bill will likely be introduced in full next week, and we’ll be sure to follow up.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: georgezornick; iran; israel; lebanon; maheralassad; russia; thebrotherdidit; unitedkingdom; waronterror

1 posted on 09/07/2013 8:31:11 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP
But Friday, Senators Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp floated one possible alternative: a bill that would demand that Bashar al-Assad sign Syria to the Chemical Weapons Convention treaty and take “concrete steps” to comply. If he failed to do so within forty-five days, the United States would launch a military attack.

This is the key line. This will give Congress members plausible deniability that they weren't initiating another war.

Assad won't sign the treay, he will thumb his nose and then Obama will be able to attack without consulting Congress again.

2 posted on 09/07/2013 8:34:19 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

They were for the bombing before they were against it?


3 posted on 09/07/2013 8:35:36 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Rocky

Smarmy, slimy eels squirming under the spotlight... Repugnant, repulsive retrobates...


4 posted on 09/07/2013 8:38:57 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: ClaytonP

5 posted on 09/07/2013 8:40:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: ClaytonP

Get real. Obama is not going to bomb Syria, with or without a vote on anything. If you have not figured it out yet, this debacle is no longer about
punishing Assad. It is now only about political gain, as evidenced by this
article.


6 posted on 09/07/2013 8:41:06 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Stop Worrying And Just Learn To Love The Bomb!)
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To: ClaytonP

And, if Assad doesn’t sign in 45 days, we will be really, really, mad - and we mean it this time! /s


7 posted on 09/07/2013 8:42:47 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: ClaytonP

I have a comprise for them... Impeach Obama, and indite him for treason.


8 posted on 09/07/2013 8:44:04 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: ogen hal

Manchi, “JOKE”!!! They, the Obamabots low life are desparate!!! Trash can material!!! Congress Critters....vote “NO” and deny Obama approval to attack Syria. Send him and his Obamabot cohorts to Syria to do in Assad and company!!! Do not send one USA military person, woman or man to be put in harm’s way to cover Obama’s failed and uselss butt!! In fact: Impeach Obama!!!!


9 posted on 09/07/2013 8:44:41 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Marcella
And, if Assad doesn’t sign in 45 days, we will be really, really, mad - and we mean it this time! /s

It won't be a letter, it will be WWIII and the squishes in the House and Senate will get to say they didn't really want another war.

10 posted on 09/07/2013 8:48:15 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP
But Friday, Senators Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp floated one possible alternative: a bill that would demand that Bashar al-Assad sign Syria to the Chemical Weapons Convention treaty and take “concrete steps” to comply.

Really, Heidi, of what value is an agreement signed under duress?

All you are doing is setting Assad up to be punked by the AlQaida elements there who only have to stage another 'attack' to get free air cover.

Simultaneously, you doom a few hundred average slobs (or maybe just Christians) there to be the subjects thereof. A few head wraps later, and some time with a video camera, and AQ and the MB have air support.

These people are terrorists, and a few innocents (or a few hundred) mean nothing to them if that is all it takes to achieve their goals.

11 posted on 09/07/2013 8:48:56 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: tennmountainman

But if the House does stop this, even if obama didn’t want to bomb in the first place, be ready for the mother of all temper tantrums from him. It will be bad, and obama knows how to serve up paybacks.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 8:57:00 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ClaytonP
And how does this nonsense change anything?

Syria still isn't anything to do with U.S. interests.

These idiots go from bad to worse.

13 posted on 09/07/2013 9:04:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: ClaytonP
and If the Government of Syria does not sign the Convention within 45 after the date of the enactment of this resolution, all elements of national power will be considered by the United States government.

Which means what-total war?

14 posted on 09/07/2013 9:05:46 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: goodwithagun

I would rather have a temper tantrum, than risk one American’s life, or spend one American dollar starting WW3.


15 posted on 09/07/2013 9:07:00 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Stop Worrying And Just Learn To Love The Bomb!)
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To: tennmountainman

Absolutely, All we are saying, is give peace a chance.


16 posted on 09/07/2013 9:12:54 PM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: ClaytonP
Not later than 45 days after the date of the enactment of this resolution, the President shall submit to Congress a long term strategy for Syria

That simply isn't going to happen. If Obama can't be bothered to submit a simple resolution on Syria, relying instead on Senate Democrats to write one for him, then how can anyone expect him to come up with a long-term strategy?

17 posted on 09/07/2013 9:30:23 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Smokin' Joe
But Friday, Senators Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp floated one possible alternative: a bill that would demand that Bashar al-Assad sign Syria to the Chemical Weapons Convention treaty and take “concrete steps” to comply.

Gee, such a decisive statement. And in all of this, no one in the Obama Administration has gone on the record to state unequivocally that the Syrian government was responsible for the gas attack. So let's say Assad signs the treaty and takes concrete steps to comply, yet the gas attacks continue? Then what? Or better yet, what if Obama fails to submit his long term policy on Syria just as he has failed to do on every other long-term commitment he had?

18 posted on 09/07/2013 9:35:42 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: FreeperCell
All we are saying, is give UN sanctions and Peace a chance.


To the the tune of Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon

Reworded of course


Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout Bashar, al-Assad, Shiiteism, Fagism, Madcowism, Raceism, Taxism,
This-ism, that-ism, ism ism ism

All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance
All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance

(C'mon)
Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout

Putinsters, Sinisters, Tomahawk whamsters and Chemical badsters ,
Syria, weary of, weary of, weary of leftist war thugs, Rabbis, and Pop Eyes, Bye bye, Bye byes

All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance
All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance

(Let me tell you now)

Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout

Revolution, Evolution, Regime Change a lution, Flagellation, Regulation, NSA Integrations, mediations, United Nations, congratulations

All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance
All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance

Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout

John and Yoko were pinkos, Timmy Leary was a stinko, Rosemary, Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan , Tommy Cooper, Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg, Hairy Hairy Pinkos, hair hair pinkos, pinkos, Hairy Hairy Pinkos.

All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance
All we are saying is give UN Sanctions and peace a chance
(Repeat 'til the tape runs out)
19 posted on 09/07/2013 9:49:52 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: ClaytonP
Statement of Policy. It is the policy of the United States that-

The Government of Syria must become a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention and take concrete steps to comply with the terms and conditions of the Convention...


Funny thing about this wording...I don't see any similar obligation being imposed on the al Qaeda-backed rebels in Syria. Considering that Barry the Boob and Kerry the Lesser have failed to prove conclusively that the chemical weapons attack were the handiwork of the Assad regime, it seems quite the oversight on the part of the authors.
20 posted on 09/07/2013 10:35:46 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: ClaytonP

.......would someone please explain the difference between becoming dead
By Gunshot, artillery, mortars, tomahawks and being dead by gas attack.

DEAD IS DEAD.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 10:53:37 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas
".......would someone please explain the difference between becoming dead By Gunshot, artillery, mortars, tomahawks and being dead by gas attack."

Foreign policy of an Administration summarized by:

It is a foreign policy of the arrogant,

who feel left out,

when other people in the world are killing each other,

without thinking about them.

22 posted on 09/07/2013 11:09:55 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Hoodat
So let's say Assad signs the treaty and takes concrete steps to comply, yet the gas attacks continue? Then what?

That's the setup. Currently, Syria is not a signatory to the convention against chemical weapons, so the UN can't cry foul. If the Syrian Government signs, however, the lawyers at the UN can justify intervention in the event there is any apparent violation of the treaty.

With the rush to make sure exactly who let exactly what loose in Syria already, I have little faith that there would be anything other than a knee-jerk reaction to any release of chemical agents there, no matter if there was live streaming video of a third party power aircraft with full audio communications dropping the weapon.

It is a trap, and whether or not you find anything to like about Assad, he is the head of a legitimate government resisting a rebellion which is aided by numerous outside interests, including the people we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The enemy he is fighting does not wear uniforms, and all that separates a combatant from a civilian in the western lens is the presence or absence of a weapon. So, someone steps in and polices up the AKs, grenades, and RPG launchers, and you have an instant civilian massacre--add press corps and stir.

In the past, we have seen the Fauxtography from Lebanon, idiot journalists who posted video of professional victims holding (unfired) cartridges while claiming their house was hit by the bullets, and the escapades of Green Helmet Guy, driving a refrigerated morgue truck around and setting up corpses to film as victims of artillery or air strikes.

Just another small dab of propaganda, a little set dressing, some western mediots, and we have a situation ripe to ignite WW III.

Still, the essential question of just exactly who set off what and by what means remains.

23 posted on 09/07/2013 11:52:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: tennmountainman

I agree; however, his tantrums might cost lives also. This guy is dangerous.


24 posted on 09/08/2013 5:02:40 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

author (which is missing up there)
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/georgezornick/index

http://www.commondreams.org/author/george-zornick

http://www.buffalo.edu/about_ub/faces_and_voices.host.html/content/shared/www/eub/module_content/faces_and_voices/george_zornick.detail.html


25 posted on 09/08/2013 12:09:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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