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Pentagon adjusts plans for more intense attacks on Syria
Los Angeles Times ^ | Sept 7, 2013 | David S. Cloud

Posted on 09/07/2013 8:37:24 PM PDT by Innovative

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And here we go.. limited strike turns into more extended one, then it turns into a full scale war... then Russia gets involved against us and we'll have a full fledged WW 3. Way to go, Obama -- when at this point there are NO US INTERESTS involved, but let's have a little war to distract for Obama's problems like Benghazi, the IRS scandal of targeting conservative groups, who knows what is really going on with the NSA, the Obamacare coming disaster and so on...
1 posted on 09/07/2013 8:37:24 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Are we on the bring of WWIII?


2 posted on 09/07/2013 8:39:11 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: silentknight

I think that is a serious concern and quite possible.


3 posted on 09/07/2013 8:40:45 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Al Qaeda’s Air Force

imagine the TV ads

“America’s allies in global jihad!”


4 posted on 09/07/2013 8:41:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Innovative

Yeah....and then women will be out on the streets holding up dead babies and curing America’s military. Are they nuts?


5 posted on 09/07/2013 8:43:30 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Innovative

Imagine the “collateral damage” far in excess of the chemical warfare casualties.


6 posted on 09/07/2013 8:44:21 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Innovative

I think the US might want to take a look at all the warships Russia in bringing in to Syria. And I’m sure they are not there for a Syrian Boat Show.
Once the first missile is fired, the outcome cannot be certain.


7 posted on 09/07/2013 8:47:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Stop Worrying And Just Learn To Love The Bomb!)
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Funny that Dennis Kucinich actually said that:

Kucinich: Strike on Syria Makes U.S. “Al-Qaeda Air Force”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/16443-kucinich-strike-on-syria-makes-u-s-al-qaeda-air-force

In an interview with The Hill, former congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said that should President Obama green-light an air strike in Syria, the U.S. military would “become Al Qaeda’s air force.”

“This is a very, very serious matter that has broad implications internationally. And to try to minimize it by saying we’re just going to have a ‘targeted strike’ — that’s an act of war. It’s not anything to be trifled with,” Kucinich said, as quoted in The Hill.


8 posted on 09/07/2013 8:48:06 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: tennmountainman

Putin made it very clear

Syria: Russia will stand by Assad over any US strikes, warns Putin

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3063954/posts

President Vladimir Putin gave warning that Russia would stand with Syria if America launches military strikes against the country.

Ending the summit, Mr Putin said that world opinion was firmly against US-led intervention, adding that Russia would take Syria’s side. “Will we help Syria? We will,” he said. “We are already helping, we send arms.”


9 posted on 09/07/2013 8:49:53 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
With the rebels crushed,...

Teenagers start filling ranks as rebel losses soar (Syria)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3062308/posts

...maybe our military leaders will make things more fair by shortening the stronger side a bit to keep things from getting boring there. Political figureheads lacking military leadership experience aside for a moment, it might all make a little more sense. That, and Iran loses some major support (ports and other) for its nuclear buildup. In the future, Syrian cities might be nice, quiet ranch lands.


10 posted on 09/07/2013 8:57:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Innovative

The Left is seeking a nuclear diversion from the failures of the administration


11 posted on 09/07/2013 8:57:41 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: Innovative

Putin made it very clear

Syria: Russia will stand by Assad over any US strikes, warns Putin

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Your comment here brings to mind TR’s famous dictum: “Walk softly carry a big stick.”

It would appear that while Putin has taken TR’s words to heart, out own twice-elected leader prefers out and out saber rattling.

We deserve what we get for electing this person — and I fear that may be ruin and death for many of us if he gets his way (though I pray this entire Syria “war talk” fizzles SOON).


12 posted on 09/07/2013 8:58:30 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Innovative
Mission creep: is the expansion of a project or mission beyond its original goals, often after initial successes.[1] Mission creep is usually considered undesirable due to the dangerous path of each success breeding more ambitious attempts, only stopping when a final, often catastrophic, failure occurs. The term was originally applied exclusively to military operations,
13 posted on 09/07/2013 8:59:56 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Innovative

Exactly. And unlike Obama, Putin ain’t bluffing.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 9:00:20 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Stop Worrying And Just Learn To Love The Bomb!)
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To: realcleanguy

“The Left is seeking a nuclear diversion from the failures of the administration”

“Wag the dog” — but it may have severe consequences...


15 posted on 09/07/2013 9:00:57 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: realcleanguy
The Left is seeking a nuclear diversion from the failures of the administration

It's not the left this time. They are against this adventure as much as the right is. This war is being sought by Obama and Kerry, and to a lesser extent by the neocon Republicans. No one else wants it.

16 posted on 09/07/2013 9:11:04 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Innovative

Can Mr. Obama Avoid Mission Creep?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/opinion/can-mr-obama-avoid-mission-creep.html

..”the administration may already be engaging in mission creep by asking the Pentagon to expand the list of potential targets in Syria beyond the 50 or so previously identified. “


17 posted on 09/07/2013 9:14:08 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Leaning Right

But the left would be organizing protests with 100,000 anti-war protestors, if a Republican president would want to get involved, while they are silent to supportive of Obama doing it. Hypocrisy of the left.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 9:15:49 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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Not so long ago, before Iran and Russia received so much American encouragement,...

Russia to be neutral in possible Iran-US armed conflict
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618125/posts

Writing on the wall for Iran [Even the UAE and China agree.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616282/posts

Chinese official holds nuclear talks with Iran - report
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/04/16/afx2672672.html


19 posted on 09/07/2013 9:21:53 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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Rep. Joe Wilson Says Syria Strike Is A Ploy To Distract From Obama’s ‘Scandals’

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/rep-joe-wilson-says-syria-strike-ploy-distract-obama-s-scandals#

“Why was there no call for military response in April?” Wilson asked Secretary of State John Kerry during the hearing. “Was it delayed to divert attention today from the Benghazi, IRS, NSA scandals; the failure of Obamacare enforcement; the tragedy of the White House-drafted sequestration or the upcoming debt limit vote? Again, why was there no call for military response four months ago when the president’s red line was crossed?”


20 posted on 09/07/2013 9:22:18 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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They’ve spread, settled and become involved in politics all over the world, including here, in the U.S.A.

Tubal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal

Meshech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshech

Togarmah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah


21 posted on 09/07/2013 9:25:38 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

The problem is that Obama made the US into a paper target, we lost all respect from everyone.

Nobody fears us. As someone said, paraphrased “It’s good if they love and fear us, but if we can’t be loved, we need to make sure we are feared”

We are the laughing stock of the world and lobbing a few missiles is not only won’t change it, but will only reinforce it.

We didn’t get involved when the Iranian people rose up against the Iranian radical Islamic tyranny...when we could have turned Iran into a democracy, and defeating radical Islam’s main supporters. We had interest in that.

But in Syria there is no US interest.


22 posted on 09/07/2013 9:26:43 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

When I find myself agreeing with Kucinich... Well that’s never happened before.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 9:26:44 PM PDT by matt04
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“When I find myself agreeing with Kucinich... Well that’s never happened before.”

I had the same reaction — I guess this just demonstrates the truth of the saying “Politics makes strange bedfellows”...


24 posted on 09/07/2013 9:27:50 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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But the left would be organizing protests with 100,000 anti-war protesters, if a Republican president would want to get involved...

That's true. But I think the left here is just too stunned to take immediate action. Make no mistake about it. The activist left is angry with Obama. Not just disappointed, but angry.

If Obama is stupid and arrogant enough to strike Syria, the left will be in the streets. And I'll be joining them. I'll be the one holding the American flag.

25 posted on 09/07/2013 9:28:07 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Innovative

Dennis the Menace and Ted Cruz agreeing on something

I have a headache now


26 posted on 09/07/2013 9:28:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: silentknight

Elections have consequences.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 9:40:14 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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someone needs to post this story - it need to go viral so the public will have a heads up and maybe they won’t get away with it

“A high level source inside the military has now confirmed to us that Dyess Air Force base is actively moving nuclear warheads to the East Coast of the United States in a secret transfer that has no paper trail.”

http://www.storyleak.com/exclusive-high-level-source-confirms-secret-us-nuclear-warhead
-transfer-east-coast/

“Senator Lindsay Graham has warned South Carolinians about the threat of a ‘terrorist nuclear attack’ on the same day that our exclusive high level military intel revealed to us that nuclear warheads were being shipped to South Carolina from a major Texas airforce base under an ‘off the record’ black ops transfer.”

http://www.storyleak.com/senator-warns-nuke-attack-s-carolina/

“bummer made an offhand remark 3-4 years ago that America could survive a nuclear incident - the thought came to my mind that that was an unconscious window into his mind...a perfect way to bring on martial law - and we are shut down - the congress is shut down - food to your store is shut down -

everyone needs to start shouldint loud and clear - burn up the phone lines to your reps and let ‘em know ‘we KNOW” -


28 posted on 09/07/2013 9:40:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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29 posted on 09/07/2013 9:42:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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You made some good points, but Obama isn't making the military decisions. Most presidents only agree or disagree with advice from military leaders. He'll only mess up, if he tries to intervene too much in military decisions by commanders. He's a figurehead--in essence, a civilian administrator. He makes poor speeches and allows Democrat social renegades to do excessive shopping (spending) and foment hysteria.

"We didn’t get involved when the Iranian people rose up against the Iranian radical Islamic tyranny...when we could have turned Iran into a democracy, and defeating radical Islam’s main supporters. We had interest in that."

A few Iranian-American academic feminists can only do so much with great U.S. support (which they and other assets did receive). The mullahs had them scooped up and brutalized. The U.S.A. is not as popular in Iran as the socialist political/regulator class lets on.

"But in Syria there is no US interest"

...except for its support for Iran's nuclear weapons programs--activities also very important to Russia's plans. Russia did much to foment hostilities in Arab nations and arm those nations in the past to start the Six Day War.

Truth is, I don't trust many of the most influential political constituents on any side. They're socially pathological, debt-guzzling socialists, who sometimes run interference against U.S. defense to keep freight fuel prices low at all costs, keep our dollar unnaturally high (against exports) in this goofy world economy and balance of payments deficits (related to trade deficits) ever higher against our own national economy.


30 posted on 09/07/2013 9:44:11 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: maine-iac7; All

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/09/03/graham-nukes-in-hands-of-terrorists-could-result-in-bomb-coming-to-charleston-harbor/


31 posted on 09/07/2013 9:47:50 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7

Thanks for the links — one needs to consider the consequences of any action — intended and unintended ones.


32 posted on 09/07/2013 9:54:24 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Leaning Right

>If Obama is stupid and arrogant enough to strike Syria, the left will be in the streets.<

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You’re dreaming.

The left follows the MSM and the latter will come up with some excuse that Obama’s hands were tied and that he had no other recourse but to attack Syria.

You don’t seem to understand that the rebels that Obama plans to support and our lefties are on the same side. These are the guys who do not care if a mosque is built where the twin towers once stood and who do not oppose sharia law in this country.


33 posted on 09/07/2013 9:58:59 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Innovative

Something that’s interesting and odd, is that the largest numbers of people in the U.S. demographic wanting to support the goal of the Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese-Russian axis are living in or around our large cities. They’ve been duped into believing that Iran will only build a couple of nukes to launch against Israel. Oh, well. They obviously didn’t take the Huns very seriously early on, either.


34 posted on 09/07/2013 10:00:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Unfortunately many people are very naïve...


35 posted on 09/07/2013 10:08:22 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: 353FMG

“Elections have consequences.”

Sure does. Hopefully the Republicans will actually try to win this next time around.


36 posted on 09/07/2013 10:08:45 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: 353FMG
You don’t seem to understand that the rebels that Obama plans to support and our lefties are on the same side.

But there are two kinds of lefties. The first kind are the followers of Saul Alinsky. Obama is in that group. This group is stone cold evil, and would would applaude any chaos that Obama might cause.

But there is a second, and I think larger, group of lefties. These folks consider themselves "progressives" and not "revolutionaries." They believe in unicorns and peace and brotherhood. This is the group that turned on LBJ. And this is the group that will turn on Obama.

Of course, like you said, I might just be dreaming.

37 posted on 09/07/2013 10:45:12 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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This is madness and we must hope and pray that the Congress will thwart these plans. Even if Assad were guilty of the gas attacks, these measures would be totally unwise. To the extent that we cannot really know if the gas attacks are real or who was responsible, that further erodes any possible justification.

Impeachment must follow. This madness has gone too far.


38 posted on 09/07/2013 11:01:48 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: Innovative

I think this is related to Benghazi. I know this is pretty out there, but I think the weapons we were couriering through Benghazi were chemical weapons.I think that’s why they are going through so much trouble to hide all those CIA agents. Just dealing normal weaponsis bad, but not bad enough to justify all the trouble they are going through to cover it up. I think it was chemical weapons and I think it was designed for the rebels to use them and blame Assad and then we, meaning Obama, would run in and save the day. Only problem is he miscalculated because no one else wants to be involved over there.
Now he has to go regardless,lest the world find our chemical weapons there. He has to go for no other reason than to destroy those weapons. That’s why we are not waiting on the UN inspectors.
I realize that sounds far fetched, but I don’t put anything past those traitors in Washington


39 posted on 09/07/2013 11:05:30 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: matt04

I hate to see and say it, but I never thought I would see the day when I would be rooting for Putin hoping that he will teach our socialists a thing or two, who are attempting to use Syria as a diversionary ploy from Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS scandal, EPA and so forth…….heaven help this once Great Nation now mired in scandals and corruption.


40 posted on 09/07/2013 11:09:49 PM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: Lil Flower

The more unspoken the issue has become, the more plausible it reads.

IMHO, we fail to grasp a very distinct perspective of the Democrats when dealing with adversity.

We mistakenly assume they intend to control their adversaries by conquering them to change their volition or by eradicating them.

Instead, they perceive their adversaries will always exist. Their solution is not to change their volition, but simply to control them.

They think they are international power mobsters forming a syndicate of organized crime so they don’t kill one another.


41 posted on 09/07/2013 11:18:43 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Innovative
How many in the Pentagon are planning to BOMB ....US cities?


42 posted on 09/07/2013 11:21:25 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: GeronL

Hell, I agree with that hideous Alan Grayson!!! MIGRAINE time!


43 posted on 09/08/2013 3:57:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Diogenesis

how many is enough?


44 posted on 09/08/2013 6:38:47 AM PDT by SisterK
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To: Innovative

The same mentally ill agendas of Obozo Liar, Queeg McAinal, Kerry the Faux Vietnam hero, and congressional rats wanting to bomb Syria could apply to 9/11!


45 posted on 09/08/2013 6:49:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: saintgermaine

Unbelievable isn’t it? I feel the exact same way you do. The problem is how much will this affect us at home? This is going to be WWIII I bet.


46 posted on 09/08/2013 7:20:32 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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"Ending the summit, Mr Putin said that world opinion was firmly against US-led intervention, adding that Russia would take Syria’s side. “Will we help Syria? We will,” he said. “We are already helping, we send arms.”"

Putin's statement that he will continue to sell weapons to Syria isn't going to be enough. To have any chance to deter the madman in the White House, Putin has to say and mean that he will defend Syria, and communicate that view widely to Congress and the American people. Maybe even that wouldn't work, but it is the last chance at deterrence before war.

47 posted on 09/08/2013 7:33:33 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Grampa Dave

Thanks for the great pictures with the messages!


48 posted on 09/08/2013 7:43:05 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Truth29

I am sure Putin explained “the facts of life” to Obama privately — but he may not have been listening, was probably too busy getting prepped to meet with the Russian GLBT group. (He talked with Putin for 20 min, but met with the LGBT group for an hour — shows where his priorities lie)


49 posted on 09/08/2013 7:45:12 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
And here we go.. limited strike turns into more extended one, then it turns into a full scale war.

It's quite possible they're intentionally pushing for this. The reasoning may be that WAR is their only alternative to an ECONOMY and GROWING DEBT that can not be sustained much longer.

I cannot prove this but usually when things move in a direction that defy common sense you can bet there is an ulterior motive afoot.

50 posted on 09/08/2013 7:53:48 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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