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107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say
CNN ^ | September 8, 2013 | Faith Karimi

Posted on 09/08/2013 5:50:14 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

(CNN) -- A man who police said was 107 years old was killed in a confrontation with SWAT officers Saturday night.

Police were called to a home in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, where suspect Monroe Isadore was.

"When they arrived, they were able to determine that an aggravated assault had occurred against two people at the residence," Lt. David E. Price, a Pine Bluff police spokesman, said in a statement.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: 107; arkansas; killed; leo; pinebluff; shooting; swat
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It is hard to see how it is possible for a 107 year old man warrants a SWAT Team.

Surely, there was some other option.

I realize when you fire on a police officer you expect to be shot.

But think about this, why did they not simply wait for him to come out for a potty break.

NUTS!

1 posted on 09/08/2013 5:50:14 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, that’s an Opus!


2 posted on 09/08/2013 5:52:40 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Texas Fossil

Did they shoot his dog first? No civilian police force ought to be allowed to have a SWAT team with all the military style equipment to play with.


3 posted on 09/08/2013 5:53:12 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Texas Fossil

Because the 15 mins it woukd have taken for the potty break was longer then they could wait.


4 posted on 09/08/2013 5:56:53 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Texas Fossil

We are being desensitized


5 posted on 09/08/2013 5:58:54 AM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: driftdiver

Yep. Imagine 107? My grandmother lived to be 98. But the difference between that and 107 is huge.


6 posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:24 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: bigbob

Agree. Obozo would not understand that.


7 posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:52 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

You have to wonder what set him off. He was probably being abused/ripped off/other by the two.


8 posted on 09/08/2013 6:00:24 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Texas Fossil; All

One of these days a SWAT team is going to be wiped out because they really picked the wrong house...one with folks that can and will shoot back...and no one will feel any sympathy for the SWAT team

Unfortunately, too many low info voters think that there should be no scrutiny of police or law enforcement.


9 posted on 09/08/2013 6:01:07 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (You cannot be conservative while supporting the bankruptcy of your nation)
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To: Texas Fossil

Is it pretty much just a universal truth that if the police come to your home, they’re not leaving without a body or someone in cuffs? It seems that’s the case anymore with any story you read like this.

An old man with a gun is barred up in his bedroom. Ever think he just wants to be left alone? Is he in there with a body or with a few kilos of cocaine? Seriously, once you get SWAT involved, they’re not leaving until every last one of them gets the chance to pull the trigger and pump some rounds into someone or something. They’re just like the bullies in high school. You might not have lunch money, you might ride the nicer bike, you might have the cooler-looking bookbag, but that bully isn’t leaving you alone. At some point, that bully is going to be made to look like a fool, and instead of beating you up, because they know they’ll get in trouble, they’ll just pull your pants down in front of everyone to make a point. In most cases, the SWAT version of a “pantsing” is killing your pet.

In all seriousness, FReepers, pay attention here. Law enforcement is being conditioned to not care if you’re 17 or 107. They’re being conditioned to shoot you regardless of how you look. This isn’t Hogan’s Alley shooting anymore. They’re going to shoot you, because Big Gov says you’re a terrorist for believing you’re a free person. They’re going to shoot you, because leaving without firing a shot isn’t in their creed. Americans are becoming prisoners in their own homes, and now we can’t even protect our homes against no-knock raids by paramilitary groups in the middle of the night.

When did I wake up in Mexico? Does anybody remember what it means to be American anymore?


10 posted on 09/08/2013 6:01:19 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: driftdiver

Or they could have waited 30 minutes and he would have taken a nap.


11 posted on 09/08/2013 6:02:37 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: txrefugee

I remind our local constable how silly the black police uniforms are. They are HOT and Texas has been really HOT for the past 2 years. But this summer was better.

At one time the local police wore Kaki cotton uniforms. They were cool. The state police and county sheriff department still wear Kaki.

The whole SWAT thing is insane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT

“Some sources state that the first use of “SWAT” as an acronym for “Special Weapons and Tactics” was the Special Weapons and Tactics Squad established by the Philadelphia Police Department in 1964.[2]”

“A more prominent early SWAT team was established in the Los Angeles Police Department in 1967, by Inspector Daryl Gates.”


12 posted on 09/08/2013 6:05:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: txrefugee

Not understanding the whole cops shooting dogs thing recently.

10-15 yrs ago it was the big thing to prosecute a perp if he shot a police dog just like if he shot a real cop.

So is it justifiable homicide if I kill a cop in an because he shot my dog?


13 posted on 09/08/2013 6:06:07 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: rarestia

We are now in Mexico. I just spent time with a group of 10 people with about 16 or 17 university degrees amongst them, and the general attitude was “there is nothing we can do about it”. Whether its LEO thuggery, the NSA or the IRS, fatalism is rampant, just like in Islam, where everything is Allah’s will, so why bother trying.


14 posted on 09/08/2013 6:07:27 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: rarestia
Does anybody remember what it means to be American anymore?

I ask myself that every morning when I read the news, then I look out my front door and this is still Texas where I live. But again, I live in the middle of the Big Nothing, between Lubbock and Ft. Worth. hee hee hee

15 posted on 09/08/2013 6:09:21 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: rarestia

I think they should turn the term SWAT into DEATH SQUAD...
It seems every time they use SWAT, someone is going to die.
They either shoot you or burn you. You have no rights when SWAT comes calling.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 6:10:15 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Texas Fossil
The comments are hysterical! "Oh my god it's a 107 year old with a gun! That's like being level 107! We need a swat team, helicopter with sniper, I need guns in those windows across the street, and a perimeter 3 blocks on either side. Start knocking on doors and getting these families to saftey. Johnson, contact the national guard, see if we can get a predator on loan in case he tries to flee. Tell them we really need a missile on the rack, and a relief force ready to go just in case. Contact the president. Tell him to put Syria on hold. We got an angry 107er with a gun and he's not taking no for an answer! And just in case we might want to clue Tony Stark in case this is too much to handle."
17 posted on 09/08/2013 6:10:53 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, I agree.


18 posted on 09/08/2013 6:11:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

My respect for law enforcement goes down every day. You would think that they would take the time to find out who they are after. This death seems senseless to me.


19 posted on 09/08/2013 6:11:13 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: rarestia

Twenty years ago an old fellow in my small CT town told the tax collector he wasn’t paying his property tax and he was armed. He holed up in his house and wouldn’t come out. The town ignored him and made no effort to interfere with the few friends and family members who brought him groceries.

6-7 months later he surrendered, the house was sold, taxes paid and he moved in with relatives. No one hurt.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 6:11:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: TheRhinelander

Or may be they were family trying to force him into a nursing home. That sounds more reasonable.


21 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Perhaps it is time for mandatory drug testing of all law enforcement personnel. After all we have Congressional hearings regarding the use of steroids among athletes. The “S” in SWAT is for steroids.

“Hey dad, what did you do at work today? Well son, me and my macho SWAT buddies murdered a dangerous 107 year old man. Sleep tight tonight, you’re safe now.”


22 posted on 09/08/2013 6:13:43 AM PDT by HurricaneD
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To: Texas Fossil

It’s still America here in northern Alabama, and I suspect this is the case when you get outside of most cities.


23 posted on 09/08/2013 6:13:58 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: King Moonracer

That’s Bull $hit, never give up.


24 posted on 09/08/2013 6:14:51 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Texas Fossil

It is hard to see how it is possible for a 107 year old man warrants a SWAT Team.

Surely, there was some other option.

I realize when you fire on a police officer you expect to be shot.

But think about this, why did they not simply wait for him to come out for a potty break.

NUTS!


They wanted that notch on their belt.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 6:18:24 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Texas Fossil
From the same article, a few sentences down...

Gates originally named the platoon "Special Weapons Assault Team"; however, this name was not generally favored and was rejected by his manager, deputy police chief Ed Davis, as sounding too much like a military organization. Wanting to keep the acronym "SWAT", Gates changed its expanded form to "special weapons and tactics".

That's what SWAT is, folks, a military (wanabe) organization. And the enemy, er adversary, is We the People.

26 posted on 09/08/2013 6:18:44 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: rarestia

You are dead on.
Bullies that have moved up to the next level is all they are.
And just like all bullies the only thing that makes them stop is their own blood all over the place.


27 posted on 09/08/2013 6:21:41 AM PDT by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: Rappini

Exactly.If you’re alive there’s always one more thing you can do.I would think that 107 is probably a record for oldest person killed by police action.I hope this incident hounds those pussy-prick cops until the day they die.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 6:23:13 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Texas Fossil
I'm thinking....they couldn't wait until 8pm? That would have been wayyyyyyy past his bedtime.

Seriously, they didn't have to send in the swat team, gas the guy, lob in a grenade (they called distraction device)and then kill him.

107 years old....really? Besides, ya know, they had to get this thang done....dinner was right around the corner and all.

They could have waited him out, not take his life.

29 posted on 09/08/2013 6:24:36 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Texas Fossil

“olice were called to a home in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, where suspect Monroe Isadore was.
“When they arrived, they were able to determine that an aggravated assault had occurred against two people at the residence,” Lt. David E. Price, a Pine Bluff police spokesman, said in a statement.
The two victims were led out of the house.
It was not clear what role the suspect had in the aggravated assaults or what they were.”

Maybe he was trying to defend himself from something these two people were doing to him, do-gooders or not.


30 posted on 09/08/2013 6:27:22 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Texas Fossil

Just before I left the USSA, I noticed that even small town cops were morphing into jack=booted thugs. Too much TV and movies I guess.
No more good old boys on the beat.


31 posted on 09/08/2013 6:27:35 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: muir_redwoods

Better end to this story, except an even better end would be that he didn’t lose his house because of taxes.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 6:30:31 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: AlexW
Personally, I can understand where the 107-year-old was coming from.

No way would he let them take him alive.

What, and spend the rest of his life rotting in prison?

No way.

33 posted on 09/08/2013 6:31:12 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Texas Fossil

Cant believe the responses on here. He was alleged to have committed aggravated assault on two people. He pointed a gun at police.....he SHOT at police through the bedroom door!

So the cops should have just said “Ok gramps, calm down, we’ll come back in the morning and we’ll talk.”? You’re out of your minds!

If you think that is the right course of action then let’s move you in next door to him with you kids and spouse.

Go ahead and indicate your willingness to do that in any replies.

Idiots!


34 posted on 09/08/2013 6:35:57 AM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles
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To: Chickensoup

We are being desensitized”

Or, we are being educated as to the consequences of elections and generations of communism via the Democratic Party.


35 posted on 09/08/2013 6:36:50 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: King Moonracer

May be nothing will be done about it in NH or the North East, but such as this militarized LEO and nobama’s liberal BS is wearing thin in many other parts who have the capacity and grit to do something about it.


36 posted on 09/08/2013 6:38:24 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: rarestia
Does anybody remember what it means to be American anymore?

Too few, and fewer each day.
37 posted on 09/08/2013 6:39:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

I have neighbors who I really like who might react similar to this guy under the same circumstances.

We have a lot of experience caring for elderly family members. I have no illusions about that.

But, 107?? The article did not say what the “aggravated assault” was. I read elsewhere that it was he pulled a gun on the 2 individuals who were in his house. More than likely they were trying to force him into a home, understandable at 107. Many elderly resist that. Would you, if you felt you did not want to go?


38 posted on 09/08/2013 6:41:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: muir_redwoods

A sign of sane adult local law enforcement.

This was once how things were done. Our local law enforcement is still like that. The local officer (1) here has been at it for almost 30 years. He does a good job of balancing sanity and order with the law.


39 posted on 09/08/2013 6:44:14 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

You could have hit the nail on its head.

In which case the 107 was right to prefer to die with his boots on rather than wither away and be humiliated to death by the lowlifes that work many nursing homes.


40 posted on 09/08/2013 6:45:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Careful about what you support, lest you win the FR “CopSucker Award”.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 6:45:47 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Texas Fossil

I’ll stick with the mere facts of the situation as reported and you can engage in speculation about which you know nothing. I based my post on the mere facts.


42 posted on 09/08/2013 6:46:18 AM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles
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To: Reagan√úberAlles
He was alleged to have committed aggravated assault on two people.

I hear what you're saying. BUT - and there's always a but on FR - what kind of a wussy is assaulted by a 107 year old man (just take two quick steps back and you're out of range for five minutes), and what did those two (yes, 2 on 1 and the 1 is 107) do to merit said assault? And secondly, this is a newspaper report. My trust in the veracity of a newspaper report is just a notch beneath nil. The old man is dead and we'll never really know. There are many things we don't know about the case and, at best, we should withhold judgment on the law enforcement folks. But what happened to back off and wait it out, call in some family, negotiate, etc...?
43 posted on 09/08/2013 6:48:10 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

No matter the “facts” in the article (you assume that reporting contains “the facts”) the amount of force used here in relation to the stated facts does not make any sense.

Just wait a day or two and the “facts” will become clearer. Like with Benghazi and Syria? The facts there were/are nothing but lies. And they were reported in the press, you do remember those guys who write poorly the news?


44 posted on 09/08/2013 6:51:19 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Delta 21

“10-15 yrs ago it was the big thing to prosecute a perp if he shot a police dog just like if he shot a real cop.

So is it justifiable homicide if I kill a cop in an because he shot my dog?”

Yep justifiable just like they find it all the time if the cop had shot you.


45 posted on 09/08/2013 6:53:04 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Texas Fossil
They gassed and shot this poor old man!!?? Couldn't they have just waited until he took his afternoon nap?

I guess when every tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

46 posted on 09/08/2013 6:56:16 AM PDT by Gritty (I enjoy living in the 3rd World. Soon Americans will be able to do so from the comfort of home-Fred)
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To: Texas Fossil

Cops shoot dogs and now old men. It won’t be long before all women and children are at risk.


47 posted on 09/08/2013 6:57:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Thinking you posted on the wrong place. Maybe try huff n puff, they’re more along your line of thinking.

There was no reason to rush this old dude. What the hell kind of assault could a 107 do to 2 apparently younger people?

This is just a continuation of “conditioning for socialism” and you don’t seem to need any more.


48 posted on 09/08/2013 6:58:28 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

I would think he would be a fine neighbor. I wouldn’t bother him, and he wouldn’t bother me.

What’s your point? That he “needed killin’?”


49 posted on 09/08/2013 7:57:29 AM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Delta 21
Not understanding the whole cops shooting dogs thing recently.

But "police shooting dogs" isn't a "recent thing".
The officer that I replaced (when he retired after 30 years in law enforcement) had shot probably 25+ injured or vicious dogs through the 70's & 80's.
There's also plenty of Animal Control officers that shoot dogs & cats & such.
The anti-cop/police haters just want you to think it's a recent thing.

As a police officer I'm not a fan of the overuse of SWAT, but instead of being armchair quartebacks maybe everyone that bitches & moans should go to their city council meetings and campaign for dissolving their local SWAT units.
50 posted on 09/08/2013 8:37:40 AM PDT by brent13a
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