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Obama About to Suffer Glorious Defeat in Congress?
Townhall.com ^ | September 8, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

The coalition of the willing is now down to the US alone as France now wants to wait for more data on alleged gas usage. Yet, President  Obama rejects G20 pressure to abandon Syria air strike plan.

Obama Plans Full Court Press 

Inquiring minds note that Obama plans a 'full-court press' to sway Congress  and a speech to US citizens on September 10.

Obama's address to the nation from the White House on Tuesday will be part of a rejuvenated lobbying effort on Syria as Congress returns to Washington next week. A Democratic congressional aide said the administration is planning "a full-court press" aimed at undecided lawmakers.

According to a Washington Post count, only 23 senators have been willing to go on record in favor of military force, while 17 are against. It will likely take 60 of the Senate's 100 members to advance the measure to the House of Representatives.

In the House, where 218 votes will be required to pass the resolution, only 25 members are on record in support of military action so far, according to the Post, with 106 opposed.
Polls Show Citizens Solidly Against War

John Nichols writing for The Nation accurately sums up the situation in 'Nobody Wants This Except the Military-Industrial Complex'
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, backs President Obama’s request for authorization to intervene militarily in Syria, as does House Democratic Minority Nancy Pelosi, D-California.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, is similarly “in,” while Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, in mum.

The president has done a pretty good job of selling his plan to congressional leaders.

He has not, however, sold it to the American people.

Thus, when members of Congress decide which side they’re on in the Syrian intervention votes that are expected to take place next week, they will have to consider whether they want to respond to pro-war pressure from inside-the-Beltway—as so many did when they authorized action against Iraq—or to the anti-war sentiments of their constituents.

The United States says it has determined that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons in the civil war there,” the Post/ABC poll asked. “Given this, do you support or oppose the United States launching missile strikes against the Syrian government?”


'Nobody Wants This Except the Military-Industrial Complex'

Nichols referred to a Huffington Post article quoting Congressman Alan Grayson, D-Florida, "nobody wants this except the military-industrial complex".
"One thing that is perfectly clear to me in my district, and I think is true in many other districts from speaking to other members, is that there is no desire, no desire on the part of people to be the world's policeman," Grayson said on SiriusXM's "The Agenda with Ari Rabin-Havt," which aired Thursday morning. "For us to pick up this gauntlet even on the basis of unequivocal evidence of chemical warfare by the Syrian army, deliberately against its own people -- even if there were unequivocal evidence of that -- that's just not what people in my district want."

That doesn't mean that opposition is universal, Grayson allowed. "I did notice, for what it's worth, that the manufacturer of the missiles that would be used has had an incredible run in their stock value in the last 60 days. Raytheon stock is up 20 percent in the past 60 days as the likelihood of the use of their missiles against Syria becomes more likely. So I understand that there is a certain element of our society that does benefit from this, but they're not the people who vote for me, or by the way the people who contribute to my campaign," he said. "Nobody wants this except the military-industrial complex."
Expected Votes on Authorizing Military Strike



The End of U.S. Imperium—Finally!

An article on The Daily Beast by David Stockman contains so much uncommon sense that it makes me want to stand up and salute!

Please consider The End of U.S. Imperium—Finally! by David Stockman.
Next week Congress can do far more than stop a feckless Tomahawk barrage on a small country that is already a graveyard of civil war and sectarian slaughter. By voting “no,” it can trigger the end of the American Imperium—five decades of incessant meddling, bullying, and subversion around the globe that has added precious little to national security but left America fiscally exhausted and morally diminished.

Indeed, the tragedy of this vast string of misbegotten interventions—from the 1953 coup against Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran through the recent bombing campaign in Libya—is that virtually none of them involved defending the homeland or any tangible, steely-eyed linkages to national security. They were all rooted in ideology—that is, anti-communism, anti-terrorism, humanitarianism, R2P-ism, nation building, American exceptionalism. These were the historic building blocks of a failed Pax Americana. Now the White House wants authorization for the last straw: namely, to deliver from the firing tubes of U.S. naval destroyers a dose of righteous “punishment” that has no plausible military or strategic purpose. By the president’s own statements, the proposed attack is merely designed to censure the Syrian regime for allegedly visiting one particularly horrific form of violence on its own citizens.

Well, really? After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business? That’s downright farcical. Nevertheless, by declaring himself the world’s spanker in chief, President Obama has unwittingly precipitated the mother of all clarifying moments.

The recurrent phony narratives that generate these war-drum campaigns and then rationalize their disastrous aftermaths are rooted in a common structural cause: a vastly bloated war machine and national spying apparatus, the Imperial Presidency, and the house-trained lap-dogs that occupy the congressional intelligence, foreign affairs, and defense committees. This triangle of deception keeps the American public bamboozled with superficial propaganda and the media supplied with short bursts of reality TV when the Tomahawks are periodically let fly.

But it is the backbone of the permanent warfare-state bureaucracy that keeps the gambit going. Presidents come and go, but it is now obvious that virtually any ideological script—left or right—can be co-opted into service of the Imperium. The Obama White House’s preposterous drive to intervene in the Syrian tinderbox with its inherent potential for fractures and blowback across the entire Middle East is being ramrodded by the dogma of “responsibility to protect.” In that context, its chief protagonists—Susan Rice and Samantha Power—are the moral equivalent of Bush’s neocon hit men, Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz. In both cases, ideological agendas that have absolutely nothing to do with the safety of the American people were enabled to activate the awful violence of the American war machine mainly because it was there, marching in place waiting for an assignment.
Heart of the Hypocrisy

In case you missed it, Stockman nails the heart of US war-mongering hypocrisy with this question:

"After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business?"

There is much more in the article. Please take a look.

David Stockman is also the author of The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America and the #1 New York Times bestseller The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed.

Is this the "End of U.S. Imperium"? Finally?
We should all hope so.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bama; syria; wars
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1 posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:10 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

obama’s Stalingrad?


2 posted on 09/08/2013 6:01:00 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kaslin

Draw it out make Obama spend as much political capitol on this as he can and draw draw his attention away from amnesty.


3 posted on 09/08/2013 6:04:11 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: 2banana
Stalingrad, Waterloo, and Dien Bien Phu all rolled into one.

We can only hope and pray. Him and his DemCom party and all the GOP-e's who've been just itching to go along with them.

4 posted on 09/08/2013 6:04:38 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: 2banana

“obama’s Stalingrad?”

Remember, Bammy’s going to be in office for no more than three more years, we hope. Someone is going to have to pick up the pieces of this mess.


5 posted on 09/08/2013 6:06:12 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Kaslin
Obama plans a 'full-court press' to sway Congress

Ooooooooo! Sounds scary.

6 posted on 09/08/2013 6:07:15 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: amnestynone

We already look like the fool of the world, so yes, I agree with you completely, drag this embarassment out for as long as possible.

Already some are saying that amnesty won’t be talked about until 2014 or even 2016.


7 posted on 09/08/2013 6:09:31 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (SWAT stands for Storing Weapons for patriots to Attack Tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin
After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business? That’s downright farcical. Nevertheless, by declaring himself the world’s spanker in chief, President Obama has unwittingly precipitated the mother of all clarifying moments.

The ugly truth. It's not about "the children" or anything humanitarian. The Leftists in particular pick and choose which humans have worth in their eyes .... not Christians being slaughtered, not Rwandans being sliced up with machetes, not the unborn. Just like Obamacare which received not one Repub vote when it was initially passed, if the Repubs fund it now, they own it. If ANYBODY votes for this latest Obama debacle, which very well may end up as WWIII, they OWN it along with Obama. I'm so disgusted with all of them, I can't express it in words.

8 posted on 09/08/2013 6:10:24 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Kaslin
He damn well better suffer a defeat.

If he decides to go to war anyway there should be articles of impeachment brought to the floor; although I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

9 posted on 09/08/2013 6:11:02 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kaslin

He will suffer defeat IF enough people call congress. Flood the lines on Monday. Call your reps, call Boehner, call Eric Cantor, call Kevin McCarthy.

To paraphrase Jim Cramer: call, call, call!!!


10 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:00 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Balding_Eagle

Not only that if GOP legislators vote for it then they will have no ability to vote for amnesty due to an outraged base. Amnesty is more important than any other issue now because we could lose everything on it.


11 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:31 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: MissMagnolia
Very well said.

I am still stunned this guy is still in office.

12 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:59 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Starboard
I email my congressman and both my senators.

After I mentioned it to my parish priest prior to Mass, he made it a point to tell the people to email if they could not get through to their representatives.

13 posted on 09/08/2013 6:13:53 AM PDT by mware
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To: Starboard

I am planning to call my rep, although she had let it known that she is leaning No. I just want to make sure of it


14 posted on 09/08/2013 6:15:14 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The protesters are carrying weapons grade signs. The manufactured sticks are long enough to be used as weapons against police.

the article also gets bogged down in unnecessary and erroneous detail.

The reason for the actions described is money, business and national interests. Those are the reasons for war with Syria.

Syria must fall to weaken the Iranians whose objective is to control all the wealth in the region. It is in our commercial interest to have Iran fall.


15 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Kaslin

I am in league with Grayson? How has this happened? Is this earth? Am i awake?


16 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:23 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Kaslin

The rebels are worse then the military! Most of America has tuned out Omoron. My wife and I fight over the remote to hit mute whenever he comes on the news. He will be talking to dead air.


17 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:34 AM PDT by Plumres
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To: Kaslin
We hope. But keep in mind that because of the NSA Obama knows not only which of their, [Congress members, particularly Republicans] laundry is dirty, but where they keep it.

this is why Obama is delaying the vote, to allow them to reflect on the above fact. the implied question is,"Do we want our personal secrets leaked to the media?"

18 posted on 09/08/2013 6:17:27 AM PDT by sport
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To: OKSooner

“We don’t want no din bin foo” -LBJ


19 posted on 09/08/2013 6:17:45 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Kaslin

Next: Obama beheads Congress.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 6:18:28 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: Kaslin

One quote in the article I disagree with: “No one in the US wants this except the Military-Industrial complex.”

I don’t think the military wants this, either. They have no choice but to present action plans to their CIC when asked. They can also present assessments, but Barack and his cabal look like they are ignoring them. That’s consistent with Dempsey declining to answer the question of what we expected to accomplish, deferring to Kerry, in his testimony before the Senate Committee.


21 posted on 09/08/2013 6:21:10 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Kaslin

It wont be glorious and I predict he will actually use his race card to get us into a war to save his own ego

thanks to our spineless gutless US Congress and the corrupt venal Senate


22 posted on 09/08/2013 6:21:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: Kaslin
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, in mum.

Classic Mitch McConnell. He will wait until the issue is decided before taking a position that allows him to claim conservatism. As always. A leader would take a position and rally others to him.

23 posted on 09/08/2013 6:24:01 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Plumres

Even if the citizens all turn off their watch boxes, the lamestream media will describe his teleprompter speech as inspiring and persuasive

Our media promoting the cult of personality has become North Korea


24 posted on 09/08/2013 6:24:24 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Bammy’s going to be in office for no more than three more years
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I wouldn’t bet on that. He’s clearly practicing and experimenting with tactics to create crises and a sense of urgency about every perceived problem. Syria is just a dry run. And there will be even more manufacturered crises — if he gets away with this.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 6:24:42 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Kaslin

IMO, Zero is probably out spreading the cash as he did for Obamacare support. Remember Nelson from Nebraska and Landreiu from Louisiana. They were the last 2 support votes for Obamacare.


26 posted on 09/08/2013 6:25:54 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Kaslin

The president has done a pretty good job of selling his plan to congressional leaders.
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He didn’t have to sell it to Boehner. He already has him in his back pocket.


27 posted on 09/08/2013 6:26:38 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: mware

McCarthy’s phone took a little searching (at least for me!). He’s the Majority Whip so its worth leaving a message on his voice mail: (202) 225-0197

FReegards.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 6:30:09 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Kaslin

In the history of this republic, foreign and domestic policy has never been so effed up. FUBO. FUCONgress. FUUSSC. FUFED. FUIRS. FUNSA.

—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


29 posted on 09/08/2013 6:30:57 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Kaslin

My reps are all Dems but I called anyway. I have to assume that lots of libs must be calling them as well since according to polls, even some of them are not comfortable with this ill-conceived adventure.


30 posted on 09/08/2013 6:32:36 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: chasio649

And Dennis Kucinich too! No, you’re awake. :)


31 posted on 09/08/2013 6:34:19 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Letters to edictor in Jacksonville this AM were 10 to 2 against. One of the pro letters looks like it was written by democrat party HQ comparing it to outright genocide...I guess they are a bit slow on using words in proper context.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 6:37:26 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Why is it that the military must obey their boss, the Commander-in-Chief, but yet he doesn’t have to obey his boss — the American people, an overwhelming percentage of which don’t want to do this?


33 posted on 09/08/2013 6:37:41 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: 2banana

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-sending-cong,33752/


34 posted on 09/08/2013 6:38:34 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Mouton

Letters to edictor in Jacksonville this AM were 10 to 2 against.
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Excellent. We must keep the pressure on our reps. Especially the flakey Republicans who are the most prone to caving in! :)


35 posted on 09/08/2013 6:39:30 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Great stuff!!! Send them out for a lengthy deployment. lol


36 posted on 09/08/2013 6:40:49 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

I write mine every other day...got back a response from my pro bonehead guy who gave some wishy washy non committal response which means he is in favor of it IMO. I wrote back that if he support it so much, he along with Bonehead and his excellency need to be in the first wave to get some idea of how things are going from the front. No answer to that one.


37 posted on 09/08/2013 6:42:27 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Starboard

Great link to send to McLame, Kerry, Schumer Rangle, Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Reid, Boner the Eunuch, Collins, Bera, Cantor, Linda Graham, et al. All the gutless Elitist waste.


38 posted on 09/08/2013 6:43:21 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: duckman

Zero is probably out spreading the cash as he did for Obamacare support
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Yep, the doors to the Candy Store are wide open. You’re so very right; that’s exactly how Washington works. A little “grease” on the wheels to get where you want to go.


39 posted on 09/08/2013 6:46:58 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: amnestynone

Hey nooby, this article is not about amnesty, there are many threads about amnesty. Find one and post on those, but don’t hijack my thread and change the subject. Also if you had a clue you would realize it is not so much about the illegals we have to worry but the terrorists that want to kill us, who sneak in through the tunnels with the illegals from Mexico


40 posted on 09/08/2013 6:48:05 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: VRW Conspirator

The full court press is actually a DELAYED full court press. It must wait. It cannot interfere with Monday Night Football. That’s how urgent this silly adventure is.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 6:49:44 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Kaslin

Why don’t we get to the bottom of Benghazi weapons smuggling before we create further chaos.


42 posted on 09/08/2013 6:51:46 AM PDT by jetson
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To: ExTexasRedhead

John who was in Vietnam Kerry, and Sergeant Debbie Wasserman Schultz are a couple who believe this


43 posted on 09/08/2013 6:53:27 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Fearless leader can't even get his own party hacks behind him.....what a colossal joke he is. Oh well must be the republicans again "lets hit the links boys"!!
44 posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:16 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Starboard
Why is it that the military must obey their boss, the Commander-in-Chief, but yet he doesn’t have to obey his boss — the American people...?

It's a systems problem, or alternately, a command and control problem. The military is supposed to obey the chain of command in real time. The President only faces the people every four years, and their decisiveness is diluted by party factionalism, multiple issues, and propaganda.

In parliamentary systems, they trade the possibility of more rapid replacement through no-confidence votes, against the possibility of indecisiveness and paralysis due to changing leadership.

One of the most striking things in France in the 30's was that the political factions were almost evenly split between republicans, fascists, and communists. Governments rotated through every few months, and the indecisiveness showed when the Germans invaded in 1940.

45 posted on 09/08/2013 7:00:23 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Kaslin

I’ll believe it when I see it.


46 posted on 09/08/2013 7:01:43 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Military-Industrial complex

Actually this does not refer to the military as much as the military contractors!!!

47 posted on 09/08/2013 7:03:50 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Kaslin

It was reported last week that Boehner won’t let it go to a vote if it looks like a defeat for Barry. I hope he isn’t that stupid.


48 posted on 09/08/2013 7:04:28 AM PDT by AdaGray (Primary Them All)
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To: ontap
I think many people misunderstand the concept of "Military-Industrial Complex". It seems to me that Eisenhower was worried about the big money of Big Government becoming too closely aligned with Big Business. That's crony capitalism. It's Fascism.

The USAF and Boeing would be one example, sure -- but the Department of Agriculture and Monsanto are really the same problem.

What we have now is what Eisenhower warned us about, and the military is just one aspect of it. Too much money in government -- it corrupts all corporations because they all want a piece of the pie. Businessmen do favors for politicians, politicians do favors for businessmen. We The People get screwed.

49 posted on 09/08/2013 7:14:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Starboard

The fun has left for him , problems are getting worse and the media is beginning to turn on him. If he could he would just walk away. His agenda is beginning to go the way of his popularity. Obama is officially a lame duck. He has very little actual power since his polls are headed south and the rats won’t volunteer to be thrown under the bus. All eyes will turn to Hilary in the next year and he will be subjugated to the back pages of the news where he will come face to face with where his Presidency will be for all ages. His only mark will be that he was the first black president. His trademark legislation is hated by the majority, even the precious unions a have turned on it. In short he is mediocre at best and incompetent and treacherous at the worst!!!


50 posted on 09/08/2013 7:14:47 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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