Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011
The Washington Post ^ | Ellen Nakashima

Posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by originalbuckeye

The Obama administration secretly won permission from a surveillance court in 2011 to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency’s use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans’ communications in its massive databases, according to interviews with government officials and recently declassified material.

In addition, the court extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years — and more under special circumstances, according to the documents, which include a recently released 2011 opinion by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates, then chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0bamasecretlywon; benghazi; constitution; fartfone; fascism; fastandfurious; fisa; fisacourt; gimmemyfartfone; impeachnow; inneedosomerestraint; irs; johnbates; maybealittleblow; nsa; nsascandals; nsascsndal; obama; pissprize; spying; starchamber; tranparent; transparent; unconstitutional; wonpermission
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last
The first 4 years of Obama, everything bad was blamed on GWB. The NSA spying has been blamed on GWB. The authors of the Patriot Act have said this overwhelming surveillance was not what the Patriot Act intended. But of course, those who wrote the Patriot Act are Republicans so they will ALWAYS be blamed for everything bad in most of the Media. Amazing the WaPo has told the truth. But the Obamabots STILL will not hold their Messssssiah accountable.
1 posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

But the Obamabots STILL will not hold their Messssssiah accountable.
However the rest of the country does he is now a lame duck.


2 posted on 09/08/2013 7:12:24 AM PDT by Vaduz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
Outside of America, people understand.
Within the USA, the MSM delivers the KoolAid, nightly.



3 posted on 09/08/2013 7:12:54 AM PDT by Diogenesis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vaduz; Diogenesis

I am thinking there are a whole lot of Edward Snowdens (Leftists who are furious with their ‘perfect’ Pres..ent) in this country now. Just imagine all those people awakening to the realization that Big Brother is THEIR GUY! (not our guy) Must be pretty sickening to find out that THEY are really the evil ones, not the Republicans like they have always believed.


4 posted on 09/08/2013 7:19:06 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

YAWN........ What will come of this latest revelation?

..............NOTHING...............


5 posted on 09/08/2013 7:20:39 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

Wag the dog. Syria is a cover up for Benghazi. And Snowden is a cover up for what Obama did with the NSA and IRS to steal the 2012 election.

When you think about it, what Snowden did was no big deal. What Snowden reported has been public knowledge for about 40 years.

Big question here and the 600 pound gorilla in the room is, if we reference the NSA taps with people or groups who were audited by the IRS, what names will rise to the surface?

My bet is quite a few big donor Conservatives.


6 posted on 09/08/2013 7:24:49 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

their free medical marijuana cards will help them deal with the pain


7 posted on 09/08/2013 7:25:00 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
To be explicit about the obvious, it looks as if this was done to gather information to influence the 2012 election.

Weren't re-election prospects looking especially bad in 2011?

8 posted on 09/08/2013 7:28:06 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SamuraiScot
Likely. They cheated in so many ways, I am amazed he didn’t win in a landslide. Sad for us he has gotten away with it. Sadder for our once great country. Now we have to live with his failing Socialism for 3 1/2 more years.
9 posted on 09/08/2013 7:41:18 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: SamuraiScot

maxine waters commented that barry had this great database back then


10 posted on 09/08/2013 7:42:23 AM PDT by stickywillie (how come there are no father-in-law jokes?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

The change THEY did believe in did US in.


11 posted on 09/08/2013 7:44:05 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

Just imagine all those people awakening to the realization they have the IQ of a chimp and have been trained for the last five years.


12 posted on 09/08/2013 7:51:57 AM PDT by Vaduz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

” . . . U.S. District Judge John D. Bates . . . . . . . . “

John D. Bates


13 posted on 09/08/2013 7:59:17 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

I guess it’s NOT “Bush’ fault” afterall...


14 posted on 09/08/2013 8:04:59 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

Back later


15 posted on 09/08/2013 8:07:10 AM PDT by gaijin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

We have a dictator and tyrant in the White House. Any Congressmen who don’t support impeachment need removal also.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 8:08:59 AM PDT by ZULU (Barack Hussein Obama is the Lord of Misrule)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
Joel said that the change was intended to standardize retention periods across the agencies and that the more generous standard was “already in use” by another agency.

So which agency is that, Joel?

17 posted on 09/08/2013 8:20:43 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
originalbuckeye~:" ..Just imagine all those people awakening to the realization that Big Brother is THEIR GUY! (not our guy)
Must be pretty sickening to find out that THEY are really the evil ones, not the Republicans like they have always believed."

Yeah , like this message will get any media coverage .. /s

18 posted on 09/08/2013 8:27:45 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

bump


19 posted on 09/08/2013 8:34:11 AM PDT by lowbridge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EQAndyBuzz

How bout this..........

Edward, from what I see, has “NO” money. How about starting a fund raiser for Snowden. I’m sure he could use the money.

While I’m at it, what good is NSA if they can’t figure out “WHO” gassed the Syrian people.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 8:34:38 AM PDT by hapnHal (hapnHal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
"But of course, those who wrote the Patriot Act are Republicans"

Passed by Republicans maybe, but the text of that Act had been sitting on the shelves for some time waiting for an appropriate crisis. It was written by the permanent bureaucracy, and vetted by both Clinton and Bush appointees in turn. It's just another clue as to the unity of thought of the national Republicans and Democrats.

21 posted on 09/08/2013 8:43:27 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
That is why it is important to require a warrant before searching for Americans’ data, Udall said. “Our founders laid out a roadmap where Americans’ privacy rights are protected before their communications are seized or searched — not after the fact,” he said in a statement to The Post.

why only 2 dems cared about this ?

22 posted on 09/08/2013 8:52:01 AM PDT by quimby
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EQAndyBuzz
Wag the dog. Syria is a cover up for Benghazi. And Snowden is a cover up for what Obama did with the NSA and IRS to steal the 2012 election.

Right you are.

23 posted on 09/08/2013 8:55:06 AM PDT by quimby
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

All they had to do was read, “1984.”


24 posted on 09/08/2013 9:01:22 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: dagogo redux

Do you think when he was a boy anyone addressed him as Master...oh, nevermind!


25 posted on 09/08/2013 9:03:03 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
In addition, the court extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years —

. . . which would carry it from that point through the 2016 election.

26 posted on 09/08/2013 9:22:49 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EQAndyBuzz


- The latest BS from SoS John F Kerry:

"WE will not leave anyone behind!"


(Benghazi happened long ago and far away and they were white anyway!)


27 posted on 09/08/2013 9:25:18 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- get your hands off my wallet you damned dirty clown ----- ----- -----)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye; null and void

Nully - are you around? I think I read you mention something about computer problems...

Nutjob list.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 9:38:04 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ZULU
We have a dictator and tyrant in the White House. Any Congressmen who don’t support impeachment need removal also.

Yes.

29 posted on 09/08/2013 9:39:21 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah

Yes. My iMac finally ate its hard drive.

I’m reduced to trying to run on a windoze laptop. I’ve lost everything since July 10th, not a disaster, but quite annoying.

Trying to get caught up, recover ping lists, update this that and the other software so I can do thing like, oh, I dunno, actually see a video...


30 posted on 09/08/2013 9:57:59 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

NOTE!!! I have lost my hard drive, if you joined this list after 7/10/13 please remind me to get back on. All changes after then have gone away, including, sadly, some nifty graphics. *sigh*

31 posted on 09/08/2013 10:07:02 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

Yet he’d still get re-elected today with just a little bit of fraud in four states. Most of his followers simply will not admit they were wrong. The rest don’t think they ARE wrong.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 10:34:36 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Diogenesis

The Constitution is irrelevant to Obama.

Even many of his own diehard supporters now see him for what he is..

a Clear and Pres__ent Danger to Us All.


33 posted on 09/08/2013 10:54:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: null and void

It looks like I may have been dropped from you ping list. Please add me back.

... Or do I have to threaten you again?


34 posted on 09/08/2013 10:56:02 AM PDT by SpottedBeaver (I did not create the post above. Someone else made that happen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: null and void
Not the hard drive! Arghhhhhhhhhh............

I don't know when I signed up, so if you don't have me down, I'd still like to be on the "Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!"

hummingbird

35 posted on 09/08/2013 11:09:03 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: SpottedBeaver

One threat suffices, you are back on.


36 posted on 09/08/2013 11:29:29 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: hummingbird

Yeah, the hard drive. You are back on the list.


37 posted on 09/08/2013 11:30:10 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: null and void

Every time you add or remove someone, send yourself a freepmail with the updated list.


38 posted on 09/08/2013 11:42:46 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

BUMP


39 posted on 09/08/2013 12:17:11 PM PDT by Roses0508
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye
What had not been previously acknowledged is that the court in 2008 imposed an explicit ban -- at the government’s request -- on those kinds of searches, that officials in 2011 got the court to lift the bar and that the search authority has been used.

2008... 2008... who's that guy who was in charge in 2008, again...?

40 posted on 09/08/2013 1:04:41 PM PDT by shego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
All they had to do was read, "1984."

They did read 1984... as a guide.

41 posted on 09/08/2013 1:06:26 PM PDT by shego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks originalbuckeye.


42 posted on 09/08/2013 1:53:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: null and void

acccckkkk....has the NSA been taking over your ‘puter???


43 posted on 09/08/2013 2:15:55 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Nifster

Nahhh, just a hardware failure on an old drive. I knew it was coming, bought a 1TB USB back-up drive and backed everything up on 7/10, then didn’t have the wit to do daily backups afterwards...


44 posted on 09/08/2013 2:18:35 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: null and void

I feel your pain. Everything is a chore, like trying to walk with 500-pound boots on. Good luck getting everything back where it needs to be.


45 posted on 09/08/2013 2:23:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: null and void

If it’s an iMac, and hence the backup disk can be left plugged in and turned on full-time, shouldn’t the automatic “no action required” system of Mac OS’s “Time Machine” suffice?


46 posted on 09/08/2013 2:39:16 PM PDT by Yossarian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: null and void

Ah the old oopsie..... has happened to all of us at least once ;)


47 posted on 09/08/2013 2:44:33 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: originalbuckeye

April 20 and 22nd, 2011 was when the Obama regime requested the ban to be lifted.

The big thing in the news was Donald Trump saying Obama should release his birth certificate. April 22nd was the day that Obama requested a copy of his BC. That is what was on his mind at that time.

So yes, this was about the 2012 election.

And I wonder how many of Trump’s communications were looked at, and what role that had in the current fraud charges against him (by the NY AG?) This could be a very visible and illustrative example of what they intended - and did - with that “national security” information...


48 posted on 09/08/2013 3:01:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Yossarian

Probably.


49 posted on 09/08/2013 3:35:01 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion

My desktop shut down and restarted just the internet while I was in the middle of posting so I’ll try again on my laptop.

It looks like they have 30 days to get approval once they’ve submitted a “certification” saying how they will use the data. The documentation for the previous certification was handled by NSA and FBI on April 11 and 13th, 2011. Two weeks later, in a sudden about-face, they decided to request sweeping changes, with the applications for that sweeping request submitted the same day as Obama requested his long-form BC and 2 days before that.

While the court is considering a certification the collections can occur as if approval was given, if the court approves, and the Obama regime argued that national security would be compromised if the collections were not allowed, in all the extensions they requested through at least September. The court approved the collections while they considered the certification. My computer wouldn’t let me scroll properly so I wasn’t able to see when the final decision was made by the court but it had to be October or later.

I haven’t read the decision all the way through, and skimmed parts of it, but part of the issue was how they could access data - particularly whether they could get access to records that weren’t specifically to or from a specific search term, but also get access to records that were simply ABOUT a search term. IIRC, that’s the difference between being able to see all the records to or from Osama Bin Laden, versus being able to see all records that MENTION Osama Bin Laden. And it involves whether they can look for senders or recipients with US names - which, IIRC, means they could look for all communications to or from Donald Trump, supposedly on the suspicion that he’s been conversing with foreign terrorists whose names they don’t yet know. Or they could look for all communications that I’ve made, or anybody else.

I’ve spent too much time looking at this already, but even from what little I’ve seen, this stinks to high heaven. I would dearly love to find out when the Orly judge overturned the FISA court denials, and how it connects to these dates and events. My mind is too full; I can’t remember the name of the Orly judge who overturned 2 previous judges’ denials of access for the Obama regime and later on claimed that his staff had “misfiled” the record so that nobody was able to find it in a search of PACER (the government’s listing of court records). Anybody remember that judge’s name, or have a handy link to the information about his involvement with the FISA court?


50 posted on 09/08/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson