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Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011
The Washington Post ^ | Ellen Nakashima

Posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by originalbuckeye

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To: null and void
Yeah, the hard drive.

Backup??

51 posted on 09/08/2013 4:35:46 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: BykrBayb

Hey, that’s a really good idea.


52 posted on 09/08/2013 4:36:44 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: upchuck

Most recent on 7/10.


53 posted on 09/08/2013 4:44:31 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: originalbuckeye

54 posted on 09/08/2013 4:48:32 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: paythefiddler; LucyT; null and void; rolling_stone; bitt; Nachum; Venturer; little jeremiah; ...

I remembered: Royce Lamberth. But it wasn’t about the FISA Court (although Lamberth did lead the FISA court right after 9-11). It was about Eric Holder getting a warrant to snoop in James Rosen’s emails and phone calls (as well as those of his family, if I understand correctly) in May of 2010. The previous judge had said Holder had to notify Rosen about the warrant but Lamberth said he didn’t have to. Lamberth sealed his decision/order until November of 2011 (which probably ends up about the time that the Obama regime got express permission to snoop in everybody’s communications so they didn’t need warrants any more, to have the same access). But a clerk “misfiled” the docket filings so that it couldn’t be found, until somebody looking for something else in PACER found it and reported it, shortly after the snooping on Rosen had been exposed to the public; Lamberth apologized for the “misfiling” in May of 2013.

According to Wikipedis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royce_C._Lamberth )the story Rosen was working on involved North Korea’s nuclear capabilities. According to http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/understanding-north-korea-and-iran , European intelligence sources in 2010 claimed that North Korea had tested nukes and by 2012 both South Korea and China were saying that North Korea had a nuke capable of an EMP attack. In hindsight this was a critical time for North Korea’s capabilities because in December of 2012 North Korea did a supposed test-fire of an ICBM that went over the South pole and then on up towards the US, putting into partial-orbit a 200-pound “package” - the right weight and altitude to be a nuke for an EMP attack. That possible EMP nuke is facing us from the south, where there is a large hole in our radar capabilities. If that is an EMP nuke, it means that North Korea has the capability - at any moment, with no advance notice - to create the cataclysmic EMP-type event that one dem Congresswoman has said is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT PROBABLE to happen, and the “natural disaster” (cough) that Janet Napolitano has said is coming, that will dwarf anything that’s ever happened in this country. It would also explain why DHS and FEMA are collecting so many body bags, ammunition, and Humvees - as well as why there will be a drill in November simulating a total shutdown of all North American power grids.

IOW, in 2010 Rosen was working on a story that might have alerted the US public and Congress to North Korea’s EMP capabilities, which have since perhaps been put into place to make possible at a moment’s notice (and without advance warning, except to those who have planned it...) the attack on the US that Napolitano, the dem Congresswaoman, DHS, and FEMA have all been anticipating.

So why did Eric Holder want to stop Rosen from alerting the world to North Korea’s nuclear capabilities, at a time when the news companies were lulling the US into thinking North Korea had made no nuclear/delivery progress, instead of reporting the dire warnings of experts such as Peter Vincent Pry, the author of the above-linked article?

Call me crazy, but I REALLY think there is more to the Rosen story than just the general outrage of FBI snooping on news reporters. There were any number of reporters the FBI could have snooped on; this was a story that could have produced a Congressional response that could have truly kept the US safe from the kind of attack that a dem congresswoman now says is 100% likely to happen. And what potential crime did the FBI have probable cause for, that a judge would have granted that warrant for Rosen’s phone calls and emails? This wasn’t NSA; this was FBI. To get a warrant they have to have probable cause. Did Eric Holder claim that James Rosen was HELPING the North Koreans develop nukes and/or delivery systems?


55 posted on 09/08/2013 5:07:16 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

That failed nuke test the Norks had a while back?

Was it a failed A-bomb or a successful neutron or EMP bomb?


56 posted on 09/08/2013 5:15:03 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: butterdezillion

Specifically, the Congressional response that could have kept us safe would be the repair of the radar hole that North Korea appears to be exploiting. Obama was pushing to REDUCE our missile defense system. Knowing what we know now about North Korea, the Heritage article at http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/06/obamas-2010-defense-budget-top-five-worst-choices-for-national-security may tell us much about why James Rosen was targeted by Eric Holder. In order to get martial law and complete the communist-Islamist coup begun in 2008, the Obama regime needed to destroy our missile defense at the same time as enabling our enemies to strike us because of the vulnerabilities.

The military is the only area of government that Obama et al have been willing to make real spending cuts, and the cuts they have made have been ones that make us particularly vulnerable. For instance, our southern radar is critical right now in the light of North Korea’s potential EMP nuke in orbit, but if I’m understanding correctly the balloons that were supposed to be watching our southern side were shut down as a result of the sequester - where Obama agreed to do minor spending cuts in some areas as long as the military spending was cut much more sharply.

And while we’re leaving our vulnerable southern side WIDE OPEN TO ATTACK and cutting the missile defense that could try to stop an EMP if we did manage to detect it in mid-act.... Obama is pushing for us to spend what little defense budget we’ve got left to support the heart-eating, “we’ll kill all the Christians” terrorists in Syria!!

The Taliban is on the inside of the building. This is what happens when we allow a foreign enemy combatant to live in our White House.


57 posted on 09/08/2013 5:26:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
I don't believe that a single EMP weapon will be as devastating as suggested. And I doubt the NORKS are capable of delivering one.

A resident expert on this subject has flamed me here and I am still convinced my position is correct.

A single EMP weapon could effectively kill a major city. Not the people directly, but the equipment that delivers food, provides power, the computers that run the traffic systems.

Our response? Glass parking lots in NORKland.

58 posted on 09/08/2013 5:27:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: null and void

Which one?

Sounds like Peter Vincent Pry strongly suspects they’ve only been working on the low-yield neutron or EMP stuff, and already have it orbiting our southern side ready to go at a moment’s notice. Or at the very least have the delivery mechanism established so that they could send one over at any time.

What I learned last time Kim Jong Un was making noise was that we can tell when they’re getting ready to fire missiles because it takes a long time to fuel up. That’s how we knew the threat was serious last time; they were fueled up and ready to go. That being the case, the way to be a serious threat is by putting something in orbit. And if I remember correctly what I read from Pry and other experts, it is suspected that both North Korea and Iran either have a bomb in orbit ready to use or can get it there without too much trouble; both have had tests that were hailed in the media as failures from a standard-nuke perspective but which were specifically designed for EMP capabilities.

I thought I saw a headline about Russia saying if we attack Syria there will be nuclear war. Russia and China are believed to be the ones supplying North Korea with the EMP capabilities, and they are allies of North Korea. And North Korea was helping Bashar Assad with nuke capabilities; that’s why Israel had to strike the Syrian nuke site.

What Obama is doing right now is the perfect set-up for North Korea to detonate an EMP at Putin’s urging in retaliation for a Syria attack.

At least that’s how it looks to me. And the bad thing is I don’t trust the government or DOD “experts” to be rooting for America. Like I said, this is what we get when we let a foreign enemy combatant live in our White House. What is impossible to him from that position, given the compromised government, media, law enforcement, and courts?


59 posted on 09/08/2013 5:38:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Texas Fossil

You think our power grids are safe from the effects of an EMP? As I understand it, it is the power grid as well as the non-shielded electronics that are used by critical infrastructure which are believed to be so vulnerable and dangerous.

On what do you base your belief that the Norks couldn’t deliver? We know that in December of 2012 they put a 200-pound package into orbit directly to our south. What makes you believe that it’s NOT an EMP, against what Peter Vincent Pry has said?


60 posted on 09/08/2013 5:42:48 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion; LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; ...

“April 20 and 22nd, 2011 was when the Obama regime requested the ban to be lifted.

“The big thing in the news was Donald Trump saying Obama should release his birth certificate. April 22nd was the day that Obama requested a copy of his BC. That is what was on his mind at that time.”

That and:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2708385/posts

“Amazon’s Number One Seller: Where’s the Birth Certificate?”

Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:44:46 AM by frankenMonkey


61 posted on 09/08/2013 5:46:25 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Yes. We know what was on Obama’s mind between April 13th and April 20th, 2011, when the NSA and FBI decided they wanted to change from what they had submitted to the FISA court just a week earlier.


62 posted on 09/08/2013 5:53:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
Your statements and questions posed in post #55 IMHO are valid and should be addressed. But in government, who is willing to take on such a task.
I lack the trained skill sets on these type of things to guide anyone in even approaching a definitive answer to what you ask.
I often refer in my mind to many things brought out in say the book None Dare Call It Conspiracy, as how both International banking systems, and the otherwise powerful in Europe and the USA primarily allowed so many things to be carried out, with a total snow job on the populations.
How so called Capitalist could in essence support a Communist Revolution etc..
So many things are not what they appear to be within the public domain.
Sorry my short rant does not address with some meaningful response what you hope some may be able to at least partially unravel.
63 posted on 09/08/2013 6:13:11 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m trying to figure out what exactly might have triggered this - if there was some specific event, or if the pressure was just building to a point where they knew they had to do something about it.

On April 11, 2011, Michael Issikof reported on his interview with Fukino, and it raised more questions than it answered - what with Fukino’s tortured wording and saying that the BC was “half written, half typed”. I’m wondering if they watched the public response to that and realized within that week that the interview wasn’t working - that Trump and Corsi had raised a valid point about him hiding his BC.

Something occurred to me just now. I bet they wanted to be able to monitor in real time the people who knew what had happened, so they could make sure any emails or calls about it were intercepted and/or ended. I’d bet money that Alvin Onaka and the HDOH’s phone lines and emails were being monitored in real time.

Once a certification is submitted to the FISA court, the regime can act as if it was approved, based on supposed national security needs, as soon as the judge acknowledges that there is a national security interest.

Obama personally wrote a letter requesting his BC on Friday the 22nd; I believe the plan was to present it on the morning of the following Wed so that he could gloat about it with Oprah in front of the low-information voters that afternoon. So they needed to have the judge give them the nod by Monday, when Onaka would be brought in to photocopy the BC in front of Fuddy. That’s when Onaka could be dangerous to them.

I wonder when the judge agreed that they could use this certification while it was being considered by the court.


64 posted on 09/08/2013 6:17:56 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
A quick addition to my response to what you asked in post #55. Specific to the possibility of the North Korean's setting up a orbiting nuclear device, where it could be detonated over some area of the USA.
Food for thought perhaps that may be a valid point. And beyond that, I am not prepared to go into a long debate.

The Chinese need the USA in tack and in the mode to continue to support their economic growth. That is a no brainer.
Would the Chinese give the NORC permission to screw things up over here, with a EMP attack.
They need us more then we need them from an economic view point. And they have quite a bit invested in the USA in T notes, and other investment derivatives.
That is partly why I hesitate to discuss things of this nature.
65 posted on 09/08/2013 6:22:31 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Marine_Uncle

What you’ve said is exactly what I’m thinking. With this compromised system, who would ever investigate and stop this before America was already attacked? Heck, Congress has issued subpoenas and still can’t find out anything; they don’t have the balls to charge people with contempt of Congress so the players know this is serious.

People tend to think that conspiracies are a far-out theory. The Founding Fathers believed that conspiracies are INEVITABLE when there is no accountability. At this point there is no accountability. We all know it. If the Founding Fathers were right, and absolute power yields absolute corruption, then it is CERTAIN that bad stuff is happening. So who wants bad stuff happen on this scale? Crooks are looking out for themselves. So who would be working actively to destroy this country?

We’ve got 2 sworn enemies who have boasted that they would destroy us from within: communists and Islamists - the very people Obama has surrounded himself with his entire life long, and the very people who are benefitting from everything this regime has done.

At this point I wonder if all that’s left is for us is to be as prepared as we can be for an attack from our own government, even if under the camouflage of North Korea or Iran. Unless the military leadership bucked the chain of command and actually DID protect and defend this country and her Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, nothing else would be in time to stop what’s been in the works since at least 2006.

(Incidentally, I’m still trying to get time to read Kevin Freeman’s book about the 2008 run on the bank; from what I’ve read about it, he suggests that it could be Islamists, communists, or an alliance of the 2).


66 posted on 09/08/2013 6:27:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks. Particularly with this cabal in D.C. I don’t believe in coincidences...


67 posted on 09/08/2013 6:39:52 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: butterdezillion

NORKS are noted for mini subs torpedoing boats, rockets that aren’t that accurate, hungry people and crazy leaders.

And we could easily Nukem from Orbit. Right of the face of the earth.

Power grids? Yes, they could be damaged. But, I am convinced the threat is not as big as it is described. Will Freep mail you on that.


68 posted on 09/08/2013 6:40:42 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: butterdezillion
BZ. I do not put my faith in the works of men. However, even so, Thomas Paine wrote on December 23, 1776...
"THESE are the times that try men's souls." ... are as appropriate in all ways for those that love freedom and a how should I say....a Christian, Godly world today as some way back when yearned in their hearts to see likewise come to past.

Try to let your heart be not troubled beyond your level of health. Do your best in sharing information and concerns and do put your soul in HIS almighty Hands. Without getting literally sick over all we see coming to past.
With that I bear thee well. Do have a pleasant upcoming day if possible. I must log off and get some sleep so I can go to the dentist tomorrow and hear him say, now this needle won't hurt a bit.....
69 posted on 09/08/2013 7:04:38 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Marine_Uncle

The New Testament lesson in church today was about not worrying because God clothes the lilies of the field and feeds the sparrows and we are of much more value than they are. It was a well-timed reminder that my life isn’t in the government’s hands, or even my own. My times are in HIS hands, and the hands that would take the nails for me always WILL be looking out for me. The direct contrast to the worldly people who make promises only to exploit those entrusted to their care. They are the bad shepherds but I’ll be OK as long as I have my Good Shepherd. And I do, because nothing and nobody can ever take Him away from me.

Sleep well. I hope the dentist visit tomorrow won’t be too miserable for you. =)


70 posted on 09/08/2013 7:39:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

Wasn’t Lamberth the judge that kept any challenges about Obama from anyone going anywhere?


71 posted on 09/08/2013 9:14:13 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

He was one of them. He dismissed one of Orly’s cases because she didn’t properly redact Obama’s social security number. At the time Orly said that the clerk had butchered her filing.

Interesting now, that Lamberth has had to say that his clerks butchered the docket filings for his ruling on the FBI’s warrant for James Rosen’s emails and phone calls...

Seems like those clerks’ “mistakes” always seem to favor Obama’s thug regime. Funny how that happens...


72 posted on 09/08/2013 9:33:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: originalbuckeye

Bookmark


73 posted on 09/08/2013 9:42:46 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: butterdezillion

Lamberth is one of the cabal that should be high on a list for serious punishment.


74 posted on 09/08/2013 9:48:58 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: butterdezillion
Good for you dear true patriot, and true follower in Christ Jesus. I ended up due to many emails from people, did not hit the rack earlier on, and then came back to this site.
I'm pleased to see the response you gave. Our good Shepard shall never abandon us, as you ably affirmed. HE is the real thing.
Thanks for your concern about my Monday visit to the dentist. HE will bring me through it all. You take care as well. Rest gently in HIS care.
75 posted on 09/08/2013 10:11:10 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: null and void

I won’t berate you.

But, you know :)


76 posted on 09/09/2013 3:58:31 AM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: originalbuckeye
And even with this enhanced surveillance, this admin was still unable to connect the dots on the Boston Marathon bombers!

Despite being tipped off by Russia on more than one occasion, and a multitude of anti-American/pro-Islamic posts on the social media sites frequented by the brothers Tsarnaev.

77 posted on 09/09/2013 5:54:55 AM PDT by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: Nachum; Impy; stephenjohnbanker

This should be big.


78 posted on 09/09/2013 6:15:50 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: slowhandluke

“It’s just another clue as to the unity of thought of the national Republicans and Democrats.”

They are all in it together. The RNC is just a false sense
of opposition to the communist takeover of the U.S. Bush Sr.
Clinton, Bush Jr. and twinkle toes are all part of the plot
for a New World Order, one world communist government.


79 posted on 09/09/2013 6:29:02 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: upchuck

Yeah. Funny thing, I knew it was going, so I bought the 1T drive and backed up everything.

Then I put the drive in a drawer in the warm and fuzzy knowledge that I’d just backed up everything...


80 posted on 09/09/2013 7:26:31 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Texas Fossil

While a muslim might do a single city attack, I would expect anyone rational to only do it as a small part of a larger plan, we’d be so busy trying to respond to scores of attacks from scores of sources that our crippled forces would be so diluted that none of them would fear a devastating response.


81 posted on 09/09/2013 7:33:34 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: originalbuckeye

“The authors of the Patriot Act have said this overwhelming surveillance was not what the Patriot Act intended.”

This is exactly why the Constitution must be adhered to at all times and in all circumstances. Not because a certain administration ‘can be trusted’, but because future administrations, Congresses, and rogue agencies cannot be.

Many of us argued against the Patriot Act (not to mention other misguided reactions to 9/11), but it fell on deaf ears because of the emotion of hte moment, and because it was a Republican doing it.


82 posted on 09/09/2013 7:43:58 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: butterdezillion
Because they want it to happen ?

In other words.... " don't let a crises go to waste even if it could have been prevented or the public could have been warned and notified about it " .


83 posted on 09/09/2013 11:43:50 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: butterdezillion
I read somewhere that for right now there are about 5,000 critical transformers that could be replaced that would help in negating the effect of a EMP attack on our national infrastructure.
Yes, personal items like people's sensitive electronics would go to crap but if those 5,000 transformers were replaced with harden ones with ones that could handle a EMP attack our country would not be in such dire straights as it is now.
If only we had listened to Thomas Edison and developed a DC infrastructure and generated our power locally.
A infrastructure that would have towns and cities generate their electricity locally and not over long distance AC power lines that need transformers to step down the voltage.
When you look at your TV ? radio ? smaller electronics ? they actually run off of DC.
The AC power that goes into those devices is converted into DC by a transformer inside your TVs radios and a AC to DC rectifier.
Running things off of DC also would save energy because converting AC to DC you lose efficiency, along with heat. Your more heavy current devices run off of straight AC.
84 posted on 09/09/2013 11:56:50 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Marine_Uncle

In other words as with China concerning Korea attacking the USA with a EMP “ Don’t look a gifted horse in the mouth “ .


85 posted on 09/10/2013 12:01:13 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: originalbuckeye
Just like old King Nebuchadnezzar the God of Israel has them hemmed in and nowhere to go.
Can't escape God's all seeing eye and God's all providential and powerful hand.
When the God of Israel has anyone hemmed in there is nowhere to escape from God.
86 posted on 09/10/2013 3:39:34 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: little jeremiah

Even King Nebuchadnezzar had to learn who’s boss of this world and this universe.


87 posted on 09/10/2013 3:40:38 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: originalbuckeye
Hmmmmmm Hmmmmmm Hmmmmmm
Old Obama had to learn what King Nebuchadnezzar learned... to be humbled by the God of Israel...

Hmmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmm
King Nebbie had to get a mind of a ox and eat in the field to be humbled to know that the God of Israel is King.

Hmmmmmmm Hmmmmmm Hmmmmmmm Obama is humbled by the God of Israel.


Nebuchadnezzar Obama is humbled by God, humbled by God, humbled by God, Nebuchadnezzar Obama is humbled by God so early in his folly.
88 posted on 09/10/2013 3:46:58 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: originalbuckeye

To the world leaders : MAN MAKES PLANS, GOD SITS ON HIS THRONE AND LAUGHS !


89 posted on 09/10/2013 3:51:36 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: originalbuckeye

Hey NSA ? do not entertain a fool in his folly, because they will lead you into more folly.


90 posted on 09/10/2013 3:52:44 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist
RE: "In other words as with China concerning Korea attacking the USA with a EMP “ Don’t look a gifted horse in the mouth.

But then, who will support the Chinese economy by purchasing huge volumes of their junk products. :)
91 posted on 09/10/2013 7:22:06 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: originalbuckeye

ping


92 posted on 09/10/2013 3:33:01 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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