Skip to comments.A Modest Proposal to Bomb Both Sides in Syria
Posted on 09/08/2013 12:42:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
The dilemma: how can we punish Assad for his violations of international law, when his opponents are also in violationin this case, killing prisoners?
The Times called this a "foreign policy puzzle." But theres a solution to this puzzle. Some have suggested the solution is: dont bomb Assad. Those people are spineless and unprincipled. The obvious solution is simple: bomb both sides.
The principles enunciated by President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry are clear and uplifting: its our job to punish evildoers. Its our job to send a message, so that others will not follow the example of evildoing. Those who oppose sending a message will be responsible for whatever evil follows.
Kerry made it clear that those who refuse to support American intervention against Assad will be responsible the next time the Syrian regime "gasses its citizens" -- and they will also be responsible "when North Korea or Iran attempts to use nuclear weapons." But of course the same argument applies to the other side: those against bombing the opposition with also be personally responsible if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons...
As the president has said, Assad must go. Now we need to add, And the opposition must go. Who then should govern Syria? Again, the answer is simple: the United States of America.
(Excerpt) Read more at thenation.com ...
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Are some of these people the same ones who would criticize us for trying to be the world’s policeman, if the target was communist, or Al Qaeda?
I have a better and much more effective solution.....Impeach Obama!!! This incompetent, failed POTUS created this entire Middle East mess, from day one of his term as POTUS!!! Remove him, Obama, Biden and all their Obamabot failures!!! We need a POTUS that will lead...not lie!!! This evil human being, Obama, will gladly put American military folks in harm’s way to protect his butt and inflated ego!!! Impeach him....or send him, Obama, Biden and Kerry to Syria to care of Assad....rather then our precious military personnel!!! End of Story!!!
Rule One in politics: when your enemy is in the process of destroying himself, don’t intervene.
Rule Two is then equally clear: if you’re getting advice from The Nation, don’t accept it.
There are many flaws in Jon Wiener’s piece, but the key one is the conclusion. Acknowledging that by attacking one side in a civil war, you support the other, so in this case we would have to hit both, he leaves us in the position of having to rule the country ourselves after defeating both sides.
And everyone knows why we mustn’t do that.
Just don’t take the advice of The Nation. No matter how sensible some of the points are, when they add them all up to a final conclusion, it’s not going to be a good one.
"Mr. Obama, who are the Syrian Rebels? What groups make up these rebels?"
When Obama refuses to respond, tell him:
"The Syrian Rebels are made up of the muslim brotherhood, and al-Qaeda, sponsored and recruited by the muslim brotherhood to fight Bashir al-Assad. Mr. Obama - are you seriously proposing to arm al-Qaeda in Syria to fight against Bashir al-Assad?"
Because that's the reality: Obama wants to arm al-Qaeda in Syria to fight Assad. al-Qaeda is a declared ENEMY of the United States of America and is in fact, on the United States Terrorist Group list. Their leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri is on the United States Most Wanted List.
Therefore, Obama is actively an ACT OF TREASON against the People of the United States of America by ARMING, TRAINING and SUPPORTING the very terrorist organization that killed almost 3,000 people on Sept. 11th, 2001.
Why in the HELL isn't this Congress drafting up Articles of Impeachment against Obama at this very moment for TREASON against the United States of America?
Obama thinks Snowden's a traitor? Seriously, LOOK IN THE MIRROR Obama! You're Traitor #1.
Another idiot aptly named Weiner. What in the world would we do with Syria? No assets and all trouble. Take over Saudi Arabia - I could go with that one. Push the House of Saud into the desert where they belong and take over the oil fields. As far as Syria is concerned we have every strategic interest in keeping them fighting as long as possible to exhaust whoever is the winner or quarantining it and letting it burn itself out.
Kerry et al keep bragging that we will put no boots on the ground. Actually, they already have boots on the ground, and those boots are Al Qaeda. Which means, if you topple Assad, Al Qaeda and the Brothers inherit the chemical weapons this action is supposed to be about.
If you seriously want to change the equation (and protect the world from Assad’s chemical weapons) you have to do what Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is to commit to boots on the ground for a decade. Fight the guerrilla war that is guaranteed to happen to keep the Brothers and the old Baathists from taking power in the aftermath, hold new elections, and defend the new government until they are able to defend themselves.
If you aren’t prepared to do that, then this is guaranteed to hand Syria over to the jihadists, and probably sink Syria into another worse civil war.
So, either American boots for a decade, or stay out.
Impeach? Arrest that a-hole!
Even more obvious: let them sort it out themselves.
They will never accept a solution imposed by outsiders, anyway. They will just unite long enough to rid themselves of the interlopers.
The oil speculators at the root of all this are in a big hurry to map out Syria. Whatever it takes, regime chance, invasion, they will not wait.
That’s what I’m talkin’ about. Kill them all and let Allah sort them out.
We need a new foreign policy doctrine: Quarantine
Obama ain't the only one on the Saudi payroll.
“The oil speculators at the root of all this are in a big hurry to map out Syria. Whatever it takes, regime chance, invasion, they will not wait.”
Actually, no. Speculators even out the cost to producers. Without them, the price would be all over the map.
Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait want to build a pipeline through Jordan and Syria. But Assad said no. Without that pipeline all those countries will eventually become vassals of Iran when Iran goes nuclear. That’s because once they go nuclear they can do whatever the heck they want to the Straits of Hormuz without fear from anybody. (Note. We don’t even know if North Korea has the bomb and they can sink warships with impunity. Still think Iran won’t set up a gate and keep raising the exit price on tankers?)
Much of Europe gets its natural gas from Russia. It is in Russia's national interest to keep it that way.
us in the position of having to rule the country ourselves after defeating both sides
ONLY if the defeat is on the scale of a WWII type. Nothing less!
I wonder why they don’t build a pipeline thru Iraq instead. The Saudis and Iraqis are buddy buddy...for the moment.
Or are there terrain issues?
LOL. This guy has finally hit upon a good solution.
You mean, bomb Assad AND Obama?
Can’t Assad just charge for the pipeline to pass through? Pipelines are vulnerable to attack, as is shipping in the Gulf.
Take a look at the map. You can’t get from Saudi Arabia to the Mediterranean without going through Syria. Any other route has insurmountable problems if you’re Saudi. I’m not sure why the Sinai is out, but my guess is it isn’t an available route for political reasons you’d only understand if you were Saudi. The Israeli route is out of the question. It’s Syria or nothing. So, the aforementioned powers have pulled out the stops, short of sending in their own armies. Among other things, that would probably put them in direct conflict with Iran. Their time is running out. It will take a long time to build and they only have until Iran goes nuclear to have it all done. IMO that’s why Obama is going nuts on their behalf. They’ve hired us to do the dirty work.
They would if it had enough megatons.
My gosh, as I read the responses on this thread, most readers don’t think this is tongue-in-cheek.
Come on, folks, get a grip.
“Cant Assad just charge for the pipeline to pass through? Pipelines are vulnerable to attack, as is shipping in the Gulf.”
If you were Assad, what would you ask for? You’d say, 1. Stop supporting Al-queda. 2. Support me. 3. We’ll work out reasonable rates.
For political reasons, Alawites vs. Sunnis, say, they can’t support Assad.
> I have a better and much more effective solution.....Impeach Obama!!! This incompetent, failed POTUS created this entire Middle East mess, from day one of his term as POTUS!!! Remove him, Obama, Biden and all their Obamabot failures!!! We need a POTUS that will lead...not lie!!! This evil human being, Obama, will gladly put American military folks in harms way to protect his butt and inflated ego!!!
My solution too. The AntChrist in Chief is just doing his job to stoke the fires of Armageddon and get the ball rolling...
Oh, don't be silly. Syria is used to being governed by a ruthless strong man who kills anyone he wants to for any reason and brutally persecutes anyone who disagrees. Surely there isn't anyone in American government who fits that description...hmm...well, I guess I could be wrong about that.
Verity: The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Works for me!
Please, failed homo Marxist Muslim fraud...............
Thanks. I guess I was trying to get the pipeline to Turkey. It is at least semi-stable.
I agree with you regarding being hired to do the dirty work. When Kerry said the Saudis would finance the “shot across the bow”...my head nearly exploded.
(1) Unlawful conduct. Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. To violate this paragraph, a person must have knowledge that the organization is a designated terrorist organization (as defined in subsection (g)(6)), that the organization has engaged or engages in terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act), or that the organization has engaged or engages in terrorism (as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989).
And needless to say this same law should apply to everyone involved, but it doesn't:
"(j) Exception. No person may be prosecuted under this section in connection with the term personnel, training, or expert advice or assistance if the provision of that material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization was approved by the Secretary of State with the concurrence of the Attorney General. The Secretary of State may not approve the provision of any material support that may be used to carry out terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B)(iii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)."
So apparently if Secretary Kerry says its OK, then you can provide expert training and support. But the guys you train and arm can't be given any material support "that may be used to carry out terrorist activity." No doubt the Islamic foreign fighters in Syria will carefully follow that rule.
Not acknowledging that there are three sides fighting in this mess is the most obvious.
I say we sell each of them all the weapons they want.
I know lets bomb IRAN!!!!
Why doesn’t the United States, the country that put a man on the moon, and cured the common cold, send a respected Statesman, with the weight of world opinion, with unquestioned persuasive skills, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, to negotiate a cease fire, and win the Peace?
Reminds me of the LAUGH IN news segment in which (future) President Goldie Hawn asks NBC to STOP THE BOMBING.
For those behind the times, that was during the Viet Nam war in which Lyndon Johnson ordered the bombing of North Vietnam.
NBC’s fall season of TV shows also bombed.
Attack all the muslims in Syria. Afterwards, the non-muslims can run the show.
There will be no bombing—Obama will turn chicken and call it a moral victory. he will let Congress do its thing and when they vote no—he will back off. Its a distraction game and its working. Threaten a little war and everyone forgets 9-11 and the guys who were killed. Watch as more war threats come out in the next few months—maybe an attack even on US soil to get popular and blame the Republicans for 2014 election and set the stage for his 3rd Term election (after that thing in the constution is overturned by his Supream Court). Obama forever! Yes, a sham election will be held and some GOP goofball will be put up to lose like Hamilton Burger was to Perry Mason. Obama will always win by 52% from now until the day he dies. Maybe his fifth term of office or so. Believe it—Obama now and forever!
The equation of Al Qaeda terrorists + Syrian State Sponsored WMDs+ Overt Act Of War Against Both Al Qaeda insurgents and Syrian Government = Bad situation for the United States
Interesting thought, except what targets do the rebels have? I see them shooting out of an apartment building window, or from the bed of a pickup truck.
Perhaps the best offense would target all the leaders with drones. Leave no leader standing, rebel or otherwise.
Nuke ‘em and let GOD sort ‘em out!
It’s funny how these people are trying to pull obama’s ass out of the fire.
Thanks. I just know it's TREASON at worst, a violation of our Constitution. Your entire post specifically 18 USC 2339B and Prohibited Activities it covers which I'm in no way smart enough to know about, or have had the faculties to have gone and looked up needs to be SCREAMED from the mountaintops.
I would LOVE for Rush Limbaugh to pick up on your and my posts on this thread and ask the question on air: Why aren't Republican's drafting up Articles of Impeachment over this?
It's bad enough this sack of shit Obama is about to drag us into yet another war that we don't belong in, the fact that he's enabling al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda sponsored, trained terrorists damn' well is TREASON and an affront to all Liberty Loving American's.
Just my .02, and again -- thanks for your great post.
That would save us the trouble of having to do it ourselves later.
Let’s bomb Detroit, too! And Piscataway just for having that name.
I know...regardless of how much blood and death it causes