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Rand Paul Backs Off From Syria Filibuster Threat
Newsmax ^ | Sunday, 08 Sep 2013 11:21 AM | By Audrey Hudson

Posted on 09/08/2013 12:55:47 PM PDT by JSDude1

Sen. Rand Paul said Sunday he would not filibuster the president's request to launch strikes against Syria but that he would insist Barack Obama abide by Congress's demands if it votes to prohibit military intervention in the civil war.

The Kentucky Republican told "Fox News Sunday" a filibuster would only delay a vote authorizing use of force.

"I will insist there is full debate on this and I will insist that I get an amendment and my amendment will say that the vote is binding -- that the president cannot, if we vote him down, decide to go to war anyway," Paul said.

"That's the way I interpret the Constitution, and I will insist on at least one vote where we say, 'Hey guys, this is not political show, this is not constitutional theater, this is a binding vote,'" Paul said.

Asked if he would support impeaching Obama if he disregarded the will of Congress, Paul cited several examples in which he believed the president had already done so

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I think we write/call Mr. Paul and ASK HIM TO FILIBUSTER the Syrian War proposal. If we are serious about stopping WWIII (and with Russia, China sending warships..well have you read the Revelations lately)?
1 posted on 09/08/2013 12:55:47 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=contact


2 posted on 09/08/2013 12:55:56 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: JSDude1

Rand Paul= all BLOW No SHOW! Typical “Libertarian” WUSS!


3 posted on 09/08/2013 12:59:24 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: JSDude1

Fix is in


4 posted on 09/08/2013 1:01:06 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: US Navy Vet

Was he bluster when he spoke against John Brennan?

IMO, Mr. Paul is more Reagan conservative (with libertarian leanings than his dad)!


5 posted on 09/08/2013 1:01:33 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: JSDude1

Something that is truly admirable is a man that won’t stand on principle.

He is GOP, that is all.


6 posted on 09/08/2013 1:03:20 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Rand Paul= all BLOW No SHOW! Typical “Libertarian” WUSS!”

That is one way of looking at it. But clearly BHO is trying to find a way of blaming congress whether he goes ahead with military options or not.

By having a vote, whatever the outcome, I think RP is trying to put the problem back on BHO. BHO shot off his mouth and according to some accounts orchestrated this mess, he needs to own it.


7 posted on 09/08/2013 1:04:27 PM PDT by Max_850
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To: JSDude1

YES he was, he should have prepared himself better for a REAL Filibuster(Catheter, Water Bottles) etc.


8 posted on 09/08/2013 1:04:33 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: All; JSDude1; mickie
He may know the vote is already in the tank against Obama. Why knock him without knowing his other reasons which he may not want to mention right now? He's about one of five or ten in the hundreds of house members who shows any guts whenever the rubber meets the road.

Leni

9 posted on 09/08/2013 1:06:20 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: JSDude1
When the music starts, the Congressional Saudi Harem will dance.


10 posted on 09/08/2013 1:06:34 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: MinuteGal

I don’t think they have the votes in the Senate for final passage. Several Democrats could lose their jobs over this.


11 posted on 09/08/2013 1:08:54 PM PDT by abb
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To: JSDude1

I see no Dr Ron Paul on the horizon; the cavalry ain’t coming; this is an inside jog, or not at all !!!!!!
Semper watching !!!!!!
*****


12 posted on 09/08/2013 1:11:00 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: JSDude1

And what was your price, Senator?


13 posted on 09/08/2013 1:11:23 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: MinuteGal

I hadn’t heard him say he would filibuster. I’ve heard lots of questions about whether he would followed by the inevitable claim that he had backed down.

Plenty of stupid people on the right buy into this crap.


14 posted on 09/08/2013 1:11:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: gunnyg

Dr Ron Paul, OH WHAT A JOKE HE IS!


15 posted on 09/08/2013 1:15:50 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: cripplecreek

We always destroy our own.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 1:16:55 PM PDT by dforest
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To: cripplecreek

When he did use the filibuster the same bunch dogpiled on him calling it “stupid,” “useless,” “a dog and pony show” etc. It doesn’t matter that he has been out front fighting against an action in Syria tooth and nail they’ll slam him anyway.


17 posted on 09/08/2013 1:19:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: dforest

There would have been no point in a filibuster. Filibusters are to delay votes.


18 posted on 09/08/2013 1:20:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

OK, real question: is Rand Paul being dumb like a fox & allowing Syria intervention to come to a vote in the full Senate so that the Dems will own (and be owned)
.yue eeeeeee899999999999by my cat just walked over the keyboard by the outcome?

In other words, if the Dems are driving off a cliff then by all means get out of their way?

Wait - if Dingy Harry Reid doesn’t want to allow a potentially embarrassing-to-Obama vote to come up, he’ll block it seven ways to Sunday. There’s that to consider.


19 posted on 09/08/2013 1:26:04 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: JSDude1

A filibuster prevents a vote.

Currently in Congress, if making war against Syria was voted on, it most likely wouldn’t pass.

If it does not pass, and there is a binding agreement that Obama cannot act unilaterally, then the American people win.

If the vote is delayed, then Obama has more time to bribe or blackmail congressmen into submission.

Do you think a delay in the vote will really help stop this administration from acting extra-constitutionally?

A binding agreement would definitely impact the executive branch.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 1:26:08 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Max_850

A filibuster may have helped when it wasn’t clear how congress would vote.

Now, even NPR admits there are not enough votes in Congress to authorize war.

Why delay the vote then? You want to give obama the advantage of more time to bribe and blackmail congress?

Why?


21 posted on 09/08/2013 1:27:50 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: cripplecreek

I agree.


22 posted on 09/08/2013 1:28:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: JSDude1

What was the last piece of action stopped for good by a filibuster?


23 posted on 09/08/2013 1:29:52 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: elcid1970

Well, the dems own the Obamacare vote but there’s no consequences from that.


24 posted on 09/08/2013 1:30:23 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: hedgetrimmer

I’ve written to my rep and both senators and told them that I want an up or down recorded vote.

The democrats would love to avoid a vote on this. They can vote to throw Obama overboard or they can vote for a war that the vast majority of Americans don’t want.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 1:33:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rabidralph

The disasterous effects of Obamacare aren’t evident to the low info voter yet.

This disaster will become quickly evident and the blame will be on Obombypants.

That’s a small victory compared to the potential problems related to this Quixotic attempt at very-limited war.


26 posted on 09/08/2013 1:35:30 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: cripplecreek

It may have been a strategy to filibuster, if it was thought congress would vote to approve.

However, evidence points to the contrary, so it may be in the best interest to hold the vote ASAP, with, as Dr. Paul suggests, a binding resolution to prohibit further war-making on Syria by the executive branch.

An interesting aside, I saw yesterday the Brookings Institute,(headed by Strobe Tablot of the Clinton administration) co-author of the Patriot act the the creation of the Department of Homeland security, has provided the Syrian war strategy to the White House.

In no way are the American people asking elected Representatives for war on Syria. This plan is entirely out fo the hands of the citizens, and it reeks.


27 posted on 09/08/2013 1:37:33 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly correct, and Rand said as much.

The fix is in and a filibuster won’t do a damned thing except slow a vote down - in which case Obama can cite Republican obstructionism by one of their “tea Party Conservatives” and bomb Syria anyway. Anything bad happening Obama will blame Rand Paul’s filibuster from preventing Congress a ‘voice’.

No. I think Rand’s strategy on this is good. Make Obama own it all - because the entire reason Obama relented to have Congress vote on it, is for them to wear the failure of bombing Syria and handing it over to Al Qaeda - just like he almost got away with doing in Egypt.

The real onus is on Boehner and McConnell - but word has it that they are all in for Obama on this and everything else.

The Ruling ClassOne more thing - we have NO representation in Washington DC aside from two or three, Rand being one of them.

That’s just fact. Obama is a dictator with a palm-licking politburo that gives him whatever he wants.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 1:39:09 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: cripplecreek

>> I want an up or down recorded vote.

Agreed. I want a CLOTURE vote in the Senate, though. I want to force them to clear the 60-vote hurdle.

The (R)s don’t need a physical filibuster to make this happen.


29 posted on 09/08/2013 1:53:28 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: MinuteGal

I say you are right. If the Dims can’t even get 50 + 1 favoring bombing, filibustering would be a mistake. The purpose of filibustering is to delay the proceedings, continue debating and force 60 votes in the Senate in favor of invoking cloture, which ends debate on the issue and voting can proceed.

So....filibustering unnecessarily will only give the Dims and the press the leverage to blame Republicans for being obstructionists, etc.


30 posted on 09/08/2013 2:03:58 PM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: US Navy Vet

There is no point in filibustering if #1 you have no chance of winning and #2 it appears the House will vote it down anyway. Ostumbles is not going to get permission so why waste a filibuster?


31 posted on 09/08/2013 2:06:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JSDude1

Folks, in case you haven’t noticed, I intensely dislike the gop/’rat uniparty and am more than willing to call out skulduggery. I don’t see it here.

A filibuster is a delay technique. It delays legislation, but it rarely causes the legislation to go away. In this case time is not on our side. If a vote were held today, dear leader would lose and lose badly. We want that vote. And we want it recorded. And we want dear leader impeached should he ignore that vote.

Failing to bring this to a vote quickly would allow dear leader the time to further twist arms, or to do whatever he wants absent any clear guidance from Congress.

Sen. Paul I believe has read the tea leaves and knows it’s time to act rather than delay. And I think he’s right.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 3:12:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: elcid1970; All

My favorite post EVER (nice save, elcid. Didn’t miss a beat) My girl Mia is also a “typist”, but I wimp out & start over.

MHO from what I’ve read re Clinton/ Bosnia is that if the House doesn’t vote, 0 may think he has cover to attack anyway. Both houses *need* to vote.


33 posted on 09/08/2013 3:23:23 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: US Navy Vet

Rand Paul= all BLOW No SHOW! Typical “Libertarian” WUSS!


BS. He knows it has no chance of passing in the House.

He’s wanting to hold obamar accountable. Some things are more important than grandstanding — safety of those serving in our military is one of them.


34 posted on 09/08/2013 3:25:15 PM PDT by boycott
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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055253/posts

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.

[by “anti-government activists” is meant church-burning jihadists]


35 posted on 09/08/2013 4:04:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Rand Paul’s immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)
Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998395/posts

...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.

[but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]


36 posted on 09/08/2013 4:05:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Here's the passage at issue:
In the 1980s, the war caucus in Congress armed bin Laden and the mujaheddin in their fight with the Soviet Union. In fact, it was the official position of the State Department to support radical jihad against the Soviets. We all know how well that worked out.
Let's leave aside for now the insulting, utterly asinine, sickening, inexcusable use of the phrase "war caucus" to describe those (including Reagan!) who supported the mujaheddin against the Soviets. That word choice alone is almost entirely disqualifying for its purveyor to ever be president.

Instead, let's just look at a little history here -- because the ignorance evident in this paragraph is truly astonishing. One would be hard pressed to find even a single historian, whether right, left, or center, who would argue anything other than that the Soviet failure in Afghanistan was not just a huge factor, but probably an essential one, in the Soviets' ultimate loss of the Cold War.
[Rand Paul’s Really Ignorant Paragraph | 7 Feb 2013]

37 posted on 09/08/2013 4:05:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JSDude1.
...told "Fox News Sunday" a filibuster would only delay a vote authorizing use of force. "...I will insist that I get an amendment and my amendment will say that the vote is binding -- that the president cannot, if we vote him down, decide to go to war anyway... That's the way I interpret the Constitution, and I will insist on at least one vote..." Paul said.
IOW, he won't filibuster, but will 'insist' on an amendment, but if the amendment doesn't pass, that's okay too.
Asked if he would support impeaching Obama if he disregarded the will of Congress, Paul cited several examples in which he believed the president had already done so...
IOW, he didn't answer the question.


38 posted on 09/08/2013 4:10:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: JSDude1

I hope that saying this is a tactical thing, and he goes ahead and tries to round up 41 votes against cloture. How can he allow Obama-Kerry to win if he has any means at his disposal to stop it?


39 posted on 09/08/2013 4:35:28 PM PDT by antiterrorist77
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To: JSDude1
The rebels in Syria have been squashed. It's time to do the other side. Bomb the Syrian government military forces, then bomb Iran.

'China will not stop Israel if it decides to attack Iran'
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2781965/posts

Israel shows China evidence of Iran bomb program
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2461472/posts

Writing on the wall for Iran [Even the UAE and China agree.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616282/posts

Chinese official holds nuclear talks with Iran - report
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/04/16/afx2672672.html

Russia to be neutral in possible Iran-US armed conflict
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618125/posts


40 posted on 09/08/2013 5:05:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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