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Posted on 09/08/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
We spend a lot of time debating the domestic ramifications of President Obamas handling to use the word loosely of the situation in Syria, ranging from political fallout to impacts on upcoming elections. But its a big world out there and other countries have taken a keen interest in the subject. You can now bump up the level of engagement that China has in this mess, as they have dispatched a warship of their own to the party.
China has reportedly sent warships to the coast of Syria to observe the actions of US and Russian ships as tensions build in preparation for a potential military strike on Syria which could come as soon as next week.
According to the Russian news outlet Telegrafist.org, the Peoples Liberation Army dispatched the Jinggangshan amphibious dock landing ship and the vessel was seen passing through the Red Sea towards the Suez Canal, the waterway in Egypt that leads to the Mediterranean Sea and waters off the coast of Israel, Lebanon and Syria.
It may be for observation purposes, but this is no Carnival cruise ship. Launched in 2011, the Jinggangshan was built for action.
China has launched its largest amphibious dock landing warship, the 19,000 metric ton Jinggangshan, in Shanghai.
The 689-foot-long warship can carry 1,000 soldiers, helicopters, armored fighting vehicles, boats and landing craft, a report in the China Daily said.
The vessel is the second Type 071 dock landing ship built by Shanghais Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding.
In addition to the troop and chopper carrying capabilities, the ship has a number of conventional guns. This comes on the heels of news that Russia already dispatched ships to the region this week, so its starting to get a little crowded out there. I was watching Fox and Friends this morning where I first saw the story and there were some probably hyperbolic comparisons being made to 1914, but it does make one wonder. Over the past two decades, when the United States has decided to launch any sort of air strikes from mobile / naval platforms, it was just taken as a given that we could do it. And our targets generally dont have much in the way of sea power to challenge elements of the most powerful navy on the planet. But the Russians and the Chinese have considerable forces as well.
This leaves two potential areas for trouble. What if the Russians and / or the Chinese decided to respond to a strike by us with a military option? Theyve got the resources in place though it still sounds unlikely in the extreme so Obama has to be taking that into account. The other problem for the President, though, seems to come from the much more likely possibility that he wont muster any support at home and our ships turn around and leave the area without striking. How bad of an international debacle does that turn out to be when we have ships in place, the Russians and Chinese show up, and we turn tail and leave? It wouldnt be the reality of what happened, but thats how it could easily be spun on the international stage. The last standing superpower on the planet comes to a showdown on the ocean and walks away
its not a pretty picture.
What could possibly go wrong. Perhaps they are just doing a seven day tour of the holy land.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Russia and China are not sending warships to Syria for a Boat Show.
I’m pretty sure of that. They smell blood in the water from Obama and
Buckle up or learn to love the bomb. WW3 is just one cruise missile away.
Did they send their ship?
Guess Barry won’t have a choice but, to launch. Otherwise he will look like an even bigger idiot.
China has a torpedo that is nearly impossible to defend against.
Comes to mind a circle of dogs snarling at one bone, which in this case is Syria.
The Middle East is a powder keg. It might not take much to create an explosion that sends repercussions throughout the world.
Perhaps, but it won't be because of an LPD, unless we sink it by accident.
Also recall that a Chinese sub came up undetected in the middle of a US fleet not so long ago.
China may be itching to try out their new ‘bath tub’ toys.
What is it with these other navy’s???
First the Russians send in an intell trawler with three “landing ships”...
Not much of a surface action group...
Now the Chicoms are sending a “landing ship” as well...
I wonder if we are getting sucked into a “rope a dope” here...
They want to test ut their new toys...
> Buckle up or learn to love the bomb. WW3 is just one cruise missile away.
And this time it may come to our shores. We’ve been very lucky so far that the enemy hasn’t tried to attack us on our soil but with a president showing such weak leadership and the sissification of our military it may not be far off at all.
Talk about a room full of mouse traps!
What happens if the Russians mistakenly target
a Chinese ship or the opposite? What about Anti-ship
missiles from Lebanon, or Syria. What a mess.
Wow. Sooo vivid. I could almost smell the gunpowder and ass lube. You’ve managed to capture Zero’s “best night ever” in words.
They saw us flying air support for the Libyan savages with AC-130s and A-10s.
That was the Obama adventure where arms and ordnance for the brave “Arab Spring freedom fighters” fell into the hands of al-Qaeda.
Everything about this latest Hussein venture is ‘snake-bit.’ If he isn’t resigning tomorrow, Americans of both parties should be asking why not.
ONE Chinese warship?
Let me know when they get to 7-8. And they can’t rule the skies in the area, which means they are toast.
They have a few, a supercavitating torpedo that runs at about 200 knots and steers quite well.
A carrier killer ballistic missile that closes at 4500 MPH and has multiple real time independent targeting inputs.
The rub is not these individual weapons, it's three torpedoes, three ballistics and ten P-800 Yakhont closing at 1900 MPH all at the same time.
Making Obama flinch is becoming an international pass time.
China doesn’t usually get involved in these confrontations. Wonder why they are willing to this time?
But it has to slow down to near "normal" torpedo speed to maneuver, right?
The Germans have them, too, they run faster, The Russians have 'em but ain't talking.
Qaddafi had sold oil futures to the Chinese, they outbid the French and Italians that had a lock on Qaddafi's oil, previously.
China never got their oil, Obama's rebel buddies tried to cut rate it to France, but most is out of production and pirated now.
America shoots a few missiles. The Syrians ask for help and the Russians and Chinese raise the ante by landing some troops probably categorized as medical personnel.
The P-800 Yakhout is maneuverable considering it flies at mach three and 12 feet off the water, launched from aircraft, ship, submarine or shore. It will close 20 miles in 50 seconds.
They are trying to crack our communication codes, “that’s all”.
However, Iran is a red line for China, they can’t have their oil supply dictated by Saudi Arabia.
China has been poking around worse than A. Weiner looking for trouble for several years now.
Don’t we still have a bunch of VLS Los Angeles Class subs?
Because they aren't scared.
China, according to some estimates, now has the largest economy on planet earth.
Joking this way, doesn’t help.
China is becoming very, very big. And growing.
Meanwhile we are playing paddy-cakes and sending our own industry there.
ANYONE awake in Washington???
Now that I dug a little deeper, I have found something interesting:
Four of the old Ohio Class SSBN’s have been converted to SSGN’s, carrying 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles. I’ve gotta say whoever came up with that idea gets a big thumbs-up from me.
Please consider, only a few years ago, the idea of China sending a naval vessel as far away from home, as The Med, was unthinkable. I doubt China is looking for a naval battle vs. USN here, but since I have been paying attention to their navy (15 years), they have made many advancements, one step at a time. I think this is just one more stepping stone on their road to a goal of supremacy. Certainly, we can head them off, if we choose too, but in another 15 years, will we have the will? Thank you.
While there is a way to integrate the information from AWACS to the destroyers (escorts) combat systems these days, from what I recall, our Navy has the AEGIS system that tracks high volumes of inbounds that can be engaged with conventional shipboard defensive systems...
The number is insignificant unless the time to intercept with those defensive systems is truncated (lessened)...
Since it is just surface ships (i.e.: Burke class DDG’s) there are no HVT (High Value Targets) for them to screen except themselves, so the advantage would initially be with the defenders in this case...Once any engagement is joined, then it becomes a question of the CO’s on the scene to defend their commands with established ROE’s (Rules of Engagement) and not necessarily needing NCA (National Command Authority, the President’s) approval to defend your command at that point...
At least that is what I can remember being the way things were done back in the day...
It would be a bad day for everyone if the Russians and ChiComs got into a shooting match with us at this particular juncture...
I do not believe that is what they want...
I’m surprised, but am encouraged that the latest move is Russia is compelling the Syrian government to allow their chemical weapon stockpile to be put under international control, and possibly be removed from the country...
That I believe would be a good move for everyone involved...
Just remember, the reason Obama and his ilk are pushing for the military option is to bolster the chances of the democrats to look and sound tough on the international scene, and thus increase their chances to win the 2014 mid-term elections...NOTHING ELSE MATTERS...That IS what this is all about...
Technically, tactically, I believe our forces on scene are prefectly capable of doing what is asked of them...
Whether it is right for them to be utilized in this manner, that’ll be up to history to analyze and decide...
For now I believe this administration is heading down the worng path...For ALL the wrong reasons, and it is pride that is getting in the way of maturity and peaceful resolution to this issue...
But what should we expect different from them???
If Tomahawks fly, they'll likely be from the destroyers on station, welcome to WWIII because if 0 attacks, they'll be at least 40 of them. Lybia consumed 120+ and NATO was bombing as well. We aren't bombing although I wouldn't put it past him to use B-2s at least once.
If the 'small' strike envisioned by the idiots in the White House is going to help the Al Qaeda, it would have to be focused on the Syrian AF. Since we have been assured Assad will still be eating Cheerios after this, it won't be a decapitation strike, because 0 would never lie to America.
At any rate there are 14 airfields still controlled by Assad although two are near Tartus and you'd think you would avoid those when you don't have a human in the loop after launch. 5 of the airfields aren't near Damascus and probably have the AC that are having an effect on Al Qaeda. That means about 60 AC to deal with, around 12/base. You won't get them all since they know we might be coming but you'll probably get a few along with their supply chain.
The alternative is to attack one base but that means restricting the routing, something I hope the pros would avoid.