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China sending warship to Syrian coast
Hot Air ^ | September 8, 2013 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 09/08/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

We spend a lot of time debating the domestic ramifications of President Obama’s handling – to use the word loosely – of the situation in Syria, ranging from political fallout to impacts on upcoming elections. But it’s a big world out there and other countries have taken a keen interest in the subject. You can now bump up the level of engagement that China has in this mess, as they have dispatched a warship of their own to the party.

China has reportedly sent warships to the coast of Syria to “observe” the actions of US and Russian ships as tensions build in preparation for a potential military strike on Syria which could come as soon as next week.

According to the Russian news outlet Telegrafist.org, the People’s Liberation Army dispatched the Jinggangshan amphibious dock landing ship and the vessel was seen passing through the Red Sea towards the Suez Canal, the waterway in Egypt that leads to the Mediterranean Sea and waters off the coast of Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

It may be for “observation” purposes, but this is no Carnival cruise ship. Launched in 2011, the Jinggangshan was built for action.

China has launched its largest amphibious dock landing warship, the 19,000 metric ton Jinggangshan, in Shanghai.

The 689-foot-long warship can carry 1,000 soldiers, helicopters, armored fighting vehicles, boats and landing craft, a report in the China Daily said.

The vessel is the second Type 071 dock landing ship built by Shanghai’s Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding.

In addition to the troop and chopper carrying capabilities, the ship has a number of conventional guns. This comes on the heels of news that Russia already dispatched ships to the region this week, so it’s starting to get a little crowded out there. I was watching Fox and Friends this morning – where I first saw the story – and there were some probably hyperbolic comparisons being made to 1914, but it does make one wonder. Over the past two decades, when the United States has decided to launch any sort of air strikes from mobile / naval platforms, it was just taken as a given that we could do it. And our targets generally don’t have much in the way of sea power to challenge elements of the most powerful navy on the planet. But the Russians and the Chinese have considerable forces as well.

This leaves two potential areas for trouble. What if the Russians and / or the Chinese decided to respond to a strike by us with a military option? They’ve got the resources in place – though it still sounds unlikely in the extreme – so Obama has to be taking that into account. The other problem for the President, though, seems to come from the much more likely possibility that he won’t muster any support at home and our ships turn around and leave the area without striking. How bad of an international debacle does that turn out to be when we have ships in place, the Russians and Chinese show up, and we turn tail and leave? It wouldn’t be the reality of what happened, but that’s how it could easily be spun on the international stage. The last standing superpower on the planet comes to a showdown on the ocean and walks away… it’s not a pretty picture.


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Slouching towards World War III?
1 posted on 09/08/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What could possibly go wrong. Perhaps they are just doing a seven day tour of the holy land.


2 posted on 09/08/2013 2:10:32 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

W.B Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


3 posted on 09/08/2013 2:14:07 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: Vermont Lt
Yes, because Buddhists and atheists are keen on that.
4 posted on 09/08/2013 2:18:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Russia and China are not sending warships to Syria for a Boat Show.
I’m pretty sure of that. They smell blood in the water from Obama and
this administration.
Buckle up or learn to love the bomb. WW3 is just one cruise missile away.


5 posted on 09/08/2013 2:18:11 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Stop Worrying And Just Learn To Love The Bomb!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And Peru?

Did they send their ship?

Guess Barry won’t have a choice but, to launch. Otherwise he will look like an even bigger idiot.


6 posted on 09/08/2013 2:18:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Interesting.

China has a torpedo that is nearly impossible to defend against.

7 posted on 09/08/2013 2:31:16 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The last standing superpower on the planet comes to a showdown on the ocean and walks away… it’s not a pretty picture."

Nothing wrong with walking away. Plenty wrong with taking casualties just to assuage the bruised ego of an incompetent Afro-Marxist community organizer, who thinks himself a military strategist. Nobody needs to die, Boy Wonder. Accept it as a teachable moment, and walk away.
8 posted on 09/08/2013 2:31:53 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comes to mind a circle of dogs snarling at one bone, which in this case is Syria.

The Middle East is a powder keg. It might not take much to create an explosion that sends repercussions throughout the world.


9 posted on 09/08/2013 2:35:50 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: tennmountainman
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There are probably more Intel satellites over the Med right now since the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Hell, they probably need a "space traffic cop" over Tartus.



Moreover, Putin's guys have our U.S. Navy ships "redundantly" bore sighted with Syria's arsenal of Yakmount anti-ship missiles.

As you said, the first cruise missile launch will be met with a lethal Yakmount missile flurry designed to damage or sink "all four" U.S. Navy Destroyers.

When that first U.S. launched cruise missile hits the target (violating Syrian's sovereign territory) ...



Iran then launches everything it's got against Israel, probably focusing on 2-3 targets like Tel Aviv and Israel's nuclear power reactors.

Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system, as well as the U.S. Patriot 3 Missile batteries (manned by U.S. troops) will fail under sheer weight of numbers.

Iran will use whatever missiles whose range is short of Tel Aviv and blast away at Israel's Golan Heights defense line.

Southern Israel will be savagely attacked by Obama's bloodthirsty Moslem Brotherhood savages.




And that night … from the White House Situation Room … with all the lights dimmed in battlefield red …

U.S. President Obama will enjoy his shared sexual pleasures with “manservant” Reggie Love.




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10 posted on 09/08/2013 2:37:15 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Slouching towards World War III?

Perhaps, but it won't be because of an LPD, unless we sink it by accident.

11 posted on 09/08/2013 2:40:15 PM PDT by xone
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To: Navy Patriot

Also recall that a Chinese sub came up undetected in the middle of a US fleet not so long ago.

China may be itching to try out their new ‘bath tub’ toys.


12 posted on 09/08/2013 2:40:51 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

What is it with these other navy’s???

First the Russians send in an intell trawler with three “landing ships”...

Not much of a surface action group...

Now the Chicoms are sending a “landing ship” as well...

I wonder if we are getting sucked into a “rope a dope” here...


13 posted on 09/08/2013 2:42:45 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They want to test ut their new toys...


14 posted on 09/08/2013 2:43:53 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: tennmountainman

> Buckle up or learn to love the bomb. WW3 is just one cruise missile away.

And this time it may come to our shores. We’ve been very lucky so far that the enemy hasn’t tried to attack us on our soil but with a president showing such weak leadership and the sissification of our military it may not be far off at all.


15 posted on 09/08/2013 2:47:13 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Talk about a room full of mouse traps!

What happens if the Russians mistakenly target
a Chinese ship or the opposite? What about Anti-ship
missiles from Lebanon, or Syria. What a mess.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 2:53:08 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jeff Head

fyi


17 posted on 09/08/2013 2:56:18 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Wow. Sooo vivid. I could almost smell the gunpowder and ass lube. You’ve managed to capture Zero’s “best night ever” in words.


18 posted on 09/08/2013 2:59:58 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They saw us flying air support for the Libyan savages with AC-130s and A-10s.
That was the Obama adventure where arms and ordnance for the brave “Arab Spring freedom fighters” fell into the hands of al-Qaeda.

Everything about this latest Hussein venture is ‘snake-bit.’ If he isn’t resigning tomorrow, Americans of both parties should be asking why not.


19 posted on 09/08/2013 3:00:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ONE Chinese warship?

Pfffft.

Let me know when they get to 7-8. And they can’t rule the skies in the area, which means they are toast.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 3:09:03 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: TomGuy
China may be itching to try out their new ‘bath tub’ toys.

They have a few, a supercavitating torpedo that runs at about 200 knots and steers quite well.

A carrier killer ballistic missile that closes at 4500 MPH and has multiple real time independent targeting inputs.

The rub is not these individual weapons, it's three torpedoes, three ballistics and ten P-800 Yakhont closing at 1900 MPH all at the same time.

21 posted on 09/08/2013 3:15:45 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Making Obama flinch is becoming an international pass time.


22 posted on 09/08/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by Spok
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

China doesn’t usually get involved in these confrontations. Wonder why they are willing to this time?


23 posted on 09/08/2013 3:35:07 PM PDT by McGruff (Strange times are these in which we live..)
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To: Navy Patriot
supercavitating torpedo that runs at about 200 knots and steers quite well.

But it has to slow down to near "normal" torpedo speed to maneuver, right?

24 posted on 09/08/2013 3:38:51 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86
The Chinese claim that they turn at speed.

The Germans have them, too, they run faster, The Russians have 'em but ain't talking.

25 posted on 09/08/2013 3:46:04 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: stevie_d_64
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One could hide all sorts of missile launchers, guidance radar in a military "landing ship" ...

If the shooting started, and U.S. Navy ships are arrayed with Soviets and Chi-Coms on the (seaward) outer periphery, and the Syrians launching cruise missiles from the coast ...

whose to say that, in all of confusion, exactly whose anti-ships missiles struck the defending Americans ?



Could U.S. AWACS or Intel satellites accuractly track a 20-50 anti-ship missile mele, all targeted on the four U.S.Navy Destroyers ?

What if these anti-ship cruise missiles were maneuverable ?



And what if the mere presence of Soviet or Chi-Com ships (possibly between the U.S. Navy Destroyers and the Syrian Coast) ... forced the Americans to give a mere 15 seconds of delay in the counter-attack response times ?

Would that 15 to 30 second delay (in the middle of naval combat) and the POTUS having "Manservant Sex" with Reggie Love ... or else indulging in a cocaine bing the night before ...

cause the Sodomite Kenyan POTUS to panic and stall the decision cycle ...

and NOT ALLOW U.S. Naval forces to return fire ?




What has this Nation gotten itself into with this TREASONOUS Shiite-Jihadist Sodomite Boy-Toy "Barrack Hussein Obama" ?



And by the way ... "BareNakedIslam.com" reports today ...

3 U.S. Congressional Representatives visit Egypt to express support for the Egyptian military and the 30 million Egyptians who deposed the Muslim Brotherhood.

Representatives Michele Bachmann, Steve King and Louie Gohmert condemn support for the Muslim Brotherhood as offered by Barack Obama, John McCain, and Miss Lindsey Graham, while praising the Egypt people and the Egyptian Army for taking to the streets and forging the new path Egypt has taken on the road to liberty and freedom.

Michele Bachmann started by declaring “Together, our ountry, the United States and Egypt have dealt with the same enemy.

It’s a common enemy,” before adding that “I want to assure the people of Egypt that I, as a member of Congress, will stand strong in support of continuing military support, United States support financially, to stand for the military in Egypt.”

King and Gohmert also declared their support for the Egyptians who stood up for liberty and freedom and stood up against the Muslim Brotherhood.


Internet Source:

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/09/08/must-seeshare-3-u-s-congressional-representatives-visit-egypt-to-express-support-for-the-egyptian-military-and-the-30-million-egyptians-who-deposed-the-muslim-brotherhood/


Do you think that these three (3) Congressional Patriots are merely visiting Egypt to smile and skake hands with the new Egyptian Government who is AT WAR with Obama's (beloved) Mosel Brotherhood ?

Not a chance in Hell.

I believe that they are there (in person) to receive PAPER DOCUMENTS that would otherwise be intercepted or tracked by Obama's thugs in the CIA-FBI-NSA.

I wouldn't be suprised if these three Congressional Patriots were MURDERED by an errant Moslem Brotherhood anti-aircraft missile, courtsey, of course, of Barrack Hussein Obama, to silence them.

These are dangerous times.

Pray hard, America.



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26 posted on 09/08/2013 3:47:32 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: Navy Patriot
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You have NAILED it, Sir ...


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27 posted on 09/08/2013 3:49:00 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: McGruff
China doesn’t usually get involved in these confrontations. Wonder why they are willing to this time?

Qaddafi had sold oil futures to the Chinese, they outbid the French and Italians that had a lock on Qaddafi's oil, previously.

China never got their oil, Obama's rebel buddies tried to cut rate it to France, but most is out of production and pirated now.

28 posted on 09/08/2013 3:53:16 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America shoots a few missiles. The Syrians ask for help and the Russians and Chinese raise the ante by landing some troops probably categorized as medical personnel.


29 posted on 09/08/2013 3:55:48 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Patton@Bastogne
What if these anti-ship cruise missiles were maneuverable ?

The P-800 Yakhout is maneuverable considering it flies at mach three and 12 feet off the water, launched from aircraft, ship, submarine or shore. It will close 20 miles in 50 seconds.

30 posted on 09/08/2013 4:03:07 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
'China will not stop Israel if it decides to attack Iran'
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2781965/posts

Israel shows China evidence of Iran bomb program
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2461472/posts

Writing on the wall for Iran [Even the UAE and China agree.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616282/posts

Chinese official holds nuclear talks with Iran - report
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/04/16/afx2672672.html

Russia to be neutral in possible Iran-US armed conflict
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618125/posts


31 posted on 09/08/2013 4:04:32 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...for the sight-impaired.

"China has reportedly sent warships to the coast of Syria to “observe” the actions of US and Russian ships...The 689-foot-long warship can carry 1,000 soldiers, helicopters, armored fighting vehicles, boats and landing craft, a report in the China Daily said."




32 posted on 09/08/2013 4:13:43 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: McGruff

They are trying to crack our communication codes, “that’s all”.

However, Iran is a red line for China, they can’t have their oil supply dictated by Saudi Arabia.


33 posted on 09/08/2013 4:29:28 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: McGruff
China doesn’t usually get involved in these confrontations. Wonder why they are willing to this time?

China has been poking around worse than A. Weiner looking for trouble for several years now.

34 posted on 09/08/2013 4:33:14 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Don’t we still have a bunch of VLS Los Angeles Class subs?


35 posted on 09/08/2013 5:11:21 PM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: McGruff
China doesn’t usually get involved in these confrontations. Wonder why they are willing to this time?

Because they aren't scared.

36 posted on 09/08/2013 5:13:53 PM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Paddle fast. We have a long way to go. Smile
37 posted on 09/08/2013 5:20:31 PM PDT by scottiemom (As Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school)
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To: scottiemom

China, according to some estimates, now has the largest economy on planet earth.

Joking this way, doesn’t help.

China is becoming very, very big. And growing.

Meanwhile we are playing paddy-cakes and sending our own industry there.

ANYONE awake in Washington???


38 posted on 09/08/2013 5:25:33 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Now that I dug a little deeper, I have found something interesting:

Four of the old Ohio Class SSBN’s have been converted to SSGN’s, carrying 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles. I’ve gotta say whoever came up with that idea gets a big thumbs-up from me.


39 posted on 09/08/2013 5:32:42 PM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: EricT.
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You're right ... a great idea ... perhaps at least 15 years old ...


However, even if one of those Ohio class boats launches a mere one-quarter of its missiles, then WW-III is on ...


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40 posted on 09/08/2013 5:57:06 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Please consider, only a few years ago, the idea of China sending a naval vessel as far away from home, as The Med, was unthinkable. I doubt China is looking for a naval battle vs. USN here, but since I have been paying attention to their navy (15 years), they have made many advancements, one step at a time. I think this is just one more stepping stone on their road to a goal of supremacy. Certainly, we can head them off, if we choose too, but in another 15 years, will we have the will? Thank you.


41 posted on 09/09/2013 10:10:31 AM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: Patton@Bastogne; All

While there is a way to integrate the information from AWACS to the destroyers (escorts) combat systems these days, from what I recall, our Navy has the AEGIS system that tracks high volumes of inbounds that can be engaged with conventional shipboard defensive systems...

The number is insignificant unless the time to intercept with those defensive systems is truncated (lessened)...

Since it is just surface ships (i.e.: Burke class DDG’s) there are no HVT (High Value Targets) for them to screen except themselves, so the advantage would initially be with the defenders in this case...Once any engagement is joined, then it becomes a question of the CO’s on the scene to defend their commands with established ROE’s (Rules of Engagement) and not necessarily needing NCA (National Command Authority, the President’s) approval to defend your command at that point...

At least that is what I can remember being the way things were done back in the day...

It would be a bad day for everyone if the Russians and ChiComs got into a shooting match with us at this particular juncture...

I do not believe that is what they want...

I’m surprised, but am encouraged that the latest move is Russia is compelling the Syrian government to allow their chemical weapon stockpile to be put under international control, and possibly be removed from the country...

That I believe would be a good move for everyone involved...

Just remember, the reason Obama and his ilk are pushing for the military option is to bolster the chances of the democrats to look and sound tough on the international scene, and thus increase their chances to win the 2014 mid-term elections...NOTHING ELSE MATTERS...That IS what this is all about...

Technically, tactically, I believe our forces on scene are prefectly capable of doing what is asked of them...

Whether it is right for them to be utilized in this manner, that’ll be up to history to analyze and decide...

For now I believe this administration is heading down the worng path...For ALL the wrong reasons, and it is pride that is getting in the way of maturity and peaceful resolution to this issue...

But what should we expect different from them???


42 posted on 09/09/2013 2:26:15 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
However, even if one of those Ohio class boats launches a mere one-quarter of its missiles, then WW-III is on ...

If Tomahawks fly, they'll likely be from the destroyers on station, welcome to WWIII because if 0 attacks, they'll be at least 40 of them. Lybia consumed 120+ and NATO was bombing as well. We aren't bombing although I wouldn't put it past him to use B-2s at least once.

If the 'small' strike envisioned by the idiots in the White House is going to help the Al Qaeda, it would have to be focused on the Syrian AF. Since we have been assured Assad will still be eating Cheerios after this, it won't be a decapitation strike, because 0 would never lie to America.

At any rate there are 14 airfields still controlled by Assad although two are near Tartus and you'd think you would avoid those when you don't have a human in the loop after launch. 5 of the airfields aren't near Damascus and probably have the AC that are having an effect on Al Qaeda. That means about 60 AC to deal with, around 12/base. You won't get them all since they know we might be coming but you'll probably get a few along with their supply chain.

The alternative is to attack one base but that means restricting the routing, something I hope the pros would avoid.

43 posted on 09/09/2013 11:34:08 PM PDT by xone
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