Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

US open to Russian proposal for Syria to hand over chemical weapons
Guardian ^ | Monday 9 September 2013 16.30 | Dan Roberts in Washington and Julian Borger in London

Posted on 09/09/2013 1:46:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

The White House gave a cautious welcome on Monday to a Russian proposal for Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control, opening up the first real chance of a political settlement to the crisis since hundreds of civilians died in an attack on a Damascus suburb last month.

Russia's suggestion, made as a result of an apparent stumble by the US secretary of state, John Kerry, set off a diplomatic scramble in Washington as administration officials sought to assess whether it offered a way out for Barack Obama from what has become an increasingly intractable problem.

US deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken said "it would be terrific" if Syria followed through the proposal advance by the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, to put its chemical stockpiles under the control of international observers.

But he nevertheless expressed scepticism over whether it would do so. "Unfortunately, the track record to date does not inspire a lot of confidence," Blinken said.

The White House said it would work with the Russians to explore the deal, in discussions that would take place "in parallel" with continued efforts in Washington to persuade US lawmakers to authorise the use of military force against Syria.

A day of intense diplomatic activity began in London, where Kerry suggested that the only way for Syria to avoid the threat of a US attack would be for it to hand over all its chemical weapons within a week. The remarks were characterised as a blunder by some Washington commentators, and the Department of State at first attempted to play down their significance, saying Kerry had been speaking "rhetorically" about a situation that was unlikely to materialise.

But the comments were immediately seized on by Lavrov...

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israel; kerry; obama; putin; russia; syria; unitedkingdom; war; waronterror

1 posted on 09/09/2013 1:46:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

2 posted on 09/09/2013 1:47:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

Can I borrow that?


3 posted on 09/09/2013 1:49:11 PM PDT by 1035rep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

perfect


4 posted on 09/09/2013 1:51:51 PM PDT by dontreadthis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

You know.. in light of this and other incidents of recent Russian sanity...

It’s sad as hell when we have to look to the Soviets for same.

But then it would be hard for anyone to perform worse than our esteemed “leadership”.


5 posted on 09/09/2013 1:52:15 PM PDT by humblegunner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Like they really have a choice not to.


6 posted on 09/09/2013 1:53:38 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Translation: Kerry tried to take credit for the Russian proposal before it was made public. Sensitive diplomatic discussion was leaked to make Kerry/Obama look good.


7 posted on 09/09/2013 1:55:07 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

A country with an arsenal of 10K nukes isn’t bluffing. And it doesn’t need to. They know no American president (except maybe McCain, but he ain’t the prez yet) will risk even a limited nuclear exchange over an issue that doesn’t involve US interests.


8 posted on 09/09/2013 1:57:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
And this will be used to save our bumbling pos pres?

____________________________________

Image and video hosting by TinyPic

9 posted on 09/09/2013 2:00:09 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zhang Fei

obama would love to see nukes going off if they only hit US and Israel. He wants this country destroyed.


10 posted on 09/09/2013 2:00:46 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

The Zero administration was against it this morning, before they were
for it, this afternoon.
This administration is a joke.


11 posted on 09/09/2013 2:04:50 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Stop Worrying And Just Learn To Love The Bomb!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zhang Fei
Fools and knaves may also start wars that are irrational.


12 posted on 09/09/2013 2:05:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Hate to burst your bubble, but who knows what this cast of clowns will do from one moment to the next!

This just in: Kerry Tells Lavrov Chemical Disarmament Demand Was "Rhetorical", Not Meant To Be Proposal

Read the original article and weep ... and wonder.

Sigh

13 posted on 09/09/2013 2:10:21 PM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats haven't destroyed your freedoms ... you can still visit them at the Smithsonian)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Syria policy is a mess.

Whose fault is that?

0bama backed himself into this stupid corner.

0bama’s humiliation, despair and political defeat must serve as an example so that no president ever so stupidly puts our credibility on the line.

No bombing for Al Qaeda!


14 posted on 09/09/2013 2:10:55 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Are Marines required to salute Al Qaeda yet?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe; jazusamo

I can’t help but think this is a head fake by someone.

On the one hand, Obama will be able to spin this as his victory. By his pressure he forced the WMDs out of the hands of Assad and into the safe-keeping of the international community. It would involve a covert alliance between Putin and Obama and perhaps even Assad.

On the other hand, it could be Assad agreeing to a condition that is not real. One has no idea what “international control” means. It could mean anything, but my sense is that it means nothing. Otherwise, any sane group once they had control would destroy those weapons.

If “international control” does not mean destroyed, then someone is lying. (again). Why would the international community want to keep WMDs intact if they have “control” of them? That makes no sense.

The key is the destruction of those weapons. If they are not destroyed, and if they are not provably destroyed, then Assad retains some control over them.

Finally, all of this ignores the reality of chemical weapons that we learned in Iraq. If Assad retains the recipe for making them, and he has access to the precursor chemicals that make up the recipe, then he is turning over current weapons that degrade pretty rapidly.

Any deal that doesn’t seize precursers and forbid their shipment to Syria is a phony deal.

All in all, this “saves” Obama and can be spun as his ingenious plan all along.


15 posted on 09/09/2013 2:23:14 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Silly post.


16 posted on 09/09/2013 2:37:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Southack

Great analysis. I especially liked the details.


17 posted on 09/09/2013 2:40:37 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Sounds like a Russian trap to me.


18 posted on 09/09/2013 3:24:01 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Col Frank Slade

If Russia proposes the idea, then Russia will be involved in the details. And the details will somehow give Assad access to those weapons.

If they don’t get destroyed, then this is simply a move in a game.


19 posted on 09/09/2013 3:29:15 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Obama megafail.

20 posted on 09/09/2013 3:34:28 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

I guess “kicking the can” is a plan...but how the Clown can reasonably claim it was his plan all along is anyone’s guess.

I s’pose the media will try and make it sound like that, and the morons who are already in his base (again, the media and his kooks who in his cult) will dutifully tag along.

Most folks, I believe are quickly tiring of him....albeit a few months too late.

And call me crazy, but I really don’t believe he won that election. ;-)


21 posted on 09/09/2013 3:37:39 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Countdown to the “Obama Avoids War Through Patient Yet Firm Diplomacy” headline.


22 posted on 09/09/2013 4:04:29 PM PDT by keat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SoFloFreeper
how the Clown can reasonably claim it was his plan all along is anyone’s guess.

Russia will not object to his attempts; these excuses can only fool the domestic audience. The international audience has already learned that the amateurs lost their case for war.

Russia does not need to kick Obama when he is down. There is no value in that. A weak US President and a cast of bumbling idiots that pretend to be his Cabinet are very convenient to have around.

Now Russia sends a handful of troops, they take control (?) of storage facilities, and now we have two facts: (a) the CWs of Syria are under "international control," and (b) there are Russian forces on Syrian territory - which allows Russia to do whatever it takes to protect them (and the weapons that they are guarding.) Naturally, the (b) also precludes any US strikes.

23 posted on 09/09/2013 4:44:12 PM PDT by Greysard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: xzins

I’ve been thinking about this all night...It doesn’t make sense. Putin is very very quick to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerry’s faux Paux.

The administration at first says it’s rhetorical, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this.

Let’s think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence was clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretext to bomb Syria and support the MB.

Now the ball is back in Obama’s court and there is no longer an issue. Game should be over, right?

WRONG. The Saudi’s, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. It’s not about dying babies and chemical weapons. It’s about regime change.

Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this.

The Russians can spin this all they want.

BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOT CALL A VOTE ON THIS.


24 posted on 09/10/2013 12:15:41 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
US open to Russian proposal...

Obama has been checkmated by Putin for the 17th time!

Obama still thinks Putin is working with his “Reset” concept but instead, Putin is “pithing” Obama’s brain...

25 posted on 09/10/2013 3:04:46 AM PDT by Netz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Anybody who takes whatever the Iranians, Russians,Syrians NORKS, Hizbollah say at face value, any pledges, any promises should just step down from office and go have his/her head examined.

A “promise” from Assad to turn over all his chemical weapons within a week? To the Russkies? Ha, ha, ha...


26 posted on 09/10/2013 3:10:26 AM PDT by Netz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee; Jim Robinson
Poor Hussein. He thought he was playing checkers with Putin....turns out he was playing chess.


27 posted on 09/10/2013 3:33:57 AM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson