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California set to enact dangerous experiment allowing non-physicians to perform abortions
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | Tue Sep 10, 2013 13:07 EST | by Cheryl Sullenger

Posted on 09/10/2013 2:33:07 PM PDT by topher

Sacramento, CA (OperationRescue.org) - In California, a bill known as AB154 sits on the desk of Gov. Jerry Brown awaiting his signature. This bill would dramatically expand surgical abortions in California by allowing nurse practitioners (NPs), certified nurse midwives (CNMs), and physician assistants (PAs) to conduct surgical “aspiration” or suction abortions of the kind generally used in the first trimester of pregnancy. Assemblywoman Toni Adkins, former administrator of the now defunct Womancare abortion clinic in San Diego, California. She is known as a radical supporter of abortion and homosexual rights.

The legislation was introduced by Assemblywomen Toni Adkins, the former administrator of a failed abortion business in San Diego. Adkins has long attempted to dangerously expand abortion services, once opening an abortion clinic in a predominately Hispanic neighborhood (using an abortionist that would later lose his medical license after killing a woman during a botched 20-week abortion) that soon closed due to financial mismanagement and lack of business. Apparently not one to learn from failure, Adkins is now expanding abortion in an ever-decreasing market, through the use of non-physicians.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; deathpanels; jerrybrown; obamacare; prolife; zerocare
I guess they are desparate to find people to kill babies...

NP's (nurse practitioners) and PA's (physician assistants) do some of the work of doctors.

However, surgery is not one of them.

Allowing people who are not MD's perform surgery is a mistake.

Abortionists who are MD's often kill/maim women/girls in the process of performing abortions. Allowing the less qualified into this process is a serious lapse of judgement - in my opinion.

1 posted on 09/10/2013 2:33:07 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher

they arent too worried they will be killing more adult women either, apparently.


2 posted on 09/10/2013 2:34:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: topher

So the very people who performed abortions before RoevWade
......when all those women died
.....are going to start doing them again.


3 posted on 09/10/2013 2:34:48 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: topher

It’s just a little incremental leap.

Next step: Mom’s.

After that: The “dad”, whatever gender that might be


4 posted on 09/10/2013 2:35:22 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: topher

So... They’re legalizing “back alley abortions”? I thought Roe v. Wade was supposed to end those!


5 posted on 09/10/2013 2:36:14 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: topher
I guess abortion advocates have given up on the old 'keep abortion safe & legal' ruse.

From back allies to abortion clinics to back allies. Nice going.

6 posted on 09/10/2013 2:36:51 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: topher

Will the non-MDs also give “medical” care to the
families of the POLITICIANS????

I think not.


7 posted on 09/10/2013 2:37:13 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: topher

Here's the perp.

8 posted on 09/10/2013 2:38:54 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: topher

Toni Atkins (CA State Assembly member) (change to CA State Assembly majority leader), Ferol Henkels and Julia Wilson (event co-chairs), Kathleen Buoymaster and Cindy Goodman (PoP co-presidents), Todd Gloria (SD City Council president) —

9 posted on 09/10/2013 2:40:36 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: topher

It’s okay with me as long as they pass a final exam in which they perform a retroactive abortion on themselves.


10 posted on 09/10/2013 2:41:17 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: fishtank

Dang, eye bleach needed. 5 lez-hags and a phag.


11 posted on 09/10/2013 2:44:01 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Non-doctor-assisted abortions were the reason for so many bleed-outs and deaths in the so-called “back-alley” abortions performed in those halcyon days before Roe v. Wade became the “law of the land”. The legalization crowd was very quick to put up those graphic photographs when they were trying to ram this through the legal system.

We have come full circle, except now the non-doctor abortionists may expect exoneration if they have a “failure”.


12 posted on 09/10/2013 2:45:34 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: alloysteel

worst case is they will just lose their licenses to do abortions, and these places will just get others to do them, until they too, have an accident.


13 posted on 09/10/2013 2:48:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: topher
Isn't the pro-abortion crowd still using the argument that unless abortion is legal women will die because of "back alley" abortions? Now, they have thrown that subterfuge aside.
They've finally admitted publicly that their goal is now and always was simply to kill babies.
14 posted on 09/10/2013 2:49:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fishtank

Evil ghouls.


15 posted on 09/10/2013 2:50:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: topher

in one way we have to count this as a huge victory for the prolife side.

the left has been almost 100% unsuccessful at getting reputable doctors to be involved in abortion. across the board, across the country. most are super old geezers who’ve been doing it forever. and are old, retired, dying. worn out. have no ideas who’ll replace them.

it’s a major, major success story they haven’t been able to convert hardly any real, reputable, skilled doctors to become abortionists. Most realize abortion is not medicine and certainly “it does harm” which is why most won’t even consider doing it.


16 posted on 09/10/2013 2:50:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: fishtank

Are these the ghouls from the Baby Killers Ball? They seem to be pleased with themselves.


17 posted on 09/10/2013 2:56:01 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: topher
So will they use coat hangers?
18 posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:51 PM PDT by eCSMaster (Palin was right (again)!)
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To: eCSMaster

Back Alley abortions are legal again in Kalipornia

The state where a High School can have pro-sex education in 1st grade and abortion clinics on High School Campuses

Leftists=Mental illness.


19 posted on 09/10/2013 3:08:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: topher

Abortion normally has a 50% fatality rate (a few babies survive and a few mothers die, but it’s pretty close to 50%). Why would it be more dangerous to have NPs, PAs, or random predators doing the procedure?


20 posted on 09/10/2013 3:09:13 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: topher

There are a fair number of surgical PAs. They are as good as doctors in the specialty that they select.

Historical note: In the Victorian time, Surgeons were a low class service group, derived from Barbers. Physicians were higher class, as they didn’t have to actually touch sick people. Pharmacists were also low class as they were actually in trade.

One physician thought that surgeons should also know something about disease, and physicians should also something about surgery, and he put together the ‘general practitioner’ who would be able to do both. He found a lot of people who agreed, but eventually the medical field became too diverse for anyone to be good at all of it, so specialties evolved for doctors.

The Physician Assistants were invented because some military/naval corpsmen sought to find a job in the medical field after Vietnam. They were told that, after performing major surgery on wounded soldiers in Vietnam they would have to get a 4 year bachelors degree, and then 6 years medical school, just as if they had popped out of high school. They did what so many people do, they sued the AMA and won. PA programs were the response to that suit.

PAs tend to have less wide ranging skills, but are expected and required to be quite good at the ones they do. There are psychiatric PAs, surgical PAs, gerontological PAs, and obstetrical PAs, among others. Some even do research.


21 posted on 09/10/2013 3:14:45 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Why don’t they certify barbers, as well. It worked in the Middle Ages.


22 posted on 09/10/2013 3:17:10 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: topher

well, the back alleys were good enough after all!


23 posted on 09/10/2013 3:23:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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To: topher
This bill would dramatically expand surgical abortions in California by allowing nurse practitioners (NPs), certified nurse midwives (CNMs), and physician assistants (PAs) to conduct surgical “aspiration” or suction abortions of the kind generally used in the first trimester of pregnancy.

I guess that we are back to using coat hangers, but not in the back alley. That will save a lot of money and decrease the cost of killing babies, and result in fewer babies that the government has to care for.

Nice policy right up there with the Death Panels.

24 posted on 09/10/2013 3:28:29 PM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: topher

Will California also shield them from the inevitable lawsuits?


25 posted on 09/10/2013 3:43:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: topher

California to enact new bill allowing barbers to leech
and bleed customers also extract teeth.

It’s historic says governor.


26 posted on 09/10/2013 4:41:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Back-alley abortions — the very thing used as a straw man in support of Roe v Wade. Thanks topher.


27 posted on 09/10/2013 7:21:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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And they’re not too worried about sterilizing the ones that they don’t kill when they mutilate uteruses.

Death of the “mother,” and if she lives, the prevention of the children she might have had.

It’s all part of Agenda 21.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 9:03:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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