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Russia 'to renew offer to supply S-300s to Iran'
AFP ^ | 11 Sep 13

Posted on 09/11/2013 3:56:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

Russian President Vladimir Putin will offer to supply Iran S-300 air defence missile systems as well as build a second reactor at the Bushehr nuclear plant, the Kommersant business daily reported Wednesday.

Putin will renew an old offer to supply Iran with five of the sophisticated ground-to-air missile systems at a meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rowhani on Friday, Kommersant said, quoting a souce close to the Kremlin.

Putin is set to meet Rowhani at a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation held in Kyrgyzstan on Friday.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


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This is an example of why I'm anti-Putin and anti-Obama. Putin is a Christian like Napoleon was a Catholic, for cynical purposes. And if he's anti-Islamist, why is he helping the mad mullahs?
1 posted on 09/11/2013 3:56:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

This should make all the people that are cheering Putin’s besting of zero think again.


2 posted on 09/11/2013 4:00:39 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’d imagine its that natural gas pipeline thru Syria expected to be completed in 2016. It all boils down to oil/gas/money in the end.

Regardless, this country has shipped billions/trillions of weapons to a multitude allies as Foreign Sales for our MIC...what is wrong with Russian doing the same thing trying to cement relationships and make some cash for its weapons builders?


3 posted on 09/11/2013 4:01:38 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

It’s all moral equivalence isn’t it?


4 posted on 09/11/2013 4:02:50 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: elhombrelibre

Wow. Putin just told Bammy to sit down and let the adults figure it out, and is now flaunting it.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 4:05:00 AM PDT by eak3
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To: elhombrelibre

“the Kommersant business daily reported Wednesday.”

Can they read Putin’s mind?

There is a lot of propaganda flying around and it’s all about attacking Syria and building the natural gas pipeline.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 4:06:29 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: leapfrog0202
This should make all the people that are cheering Putin’s besting of zero think again.

Dont like putin, but respect him.

This goes to show how media devotion leads to delusion. obomber is a legend in his own mind/world.

7 posted on 09/11/2013 4:11:37 AM PDT by quimby
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To: Gaffer

Wow, cheering for Putin against Obama is one thing. Being his apologist is another.


8 posted on 09/11/2013 4:19:32 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: quimby

Dont like putin, but respect him.

This goes to show how media devotion leads to delusion. obomber is a legend in his own mind/world.


You’re correct. The sad thing is there is no way the wimp in the people’s house will ever stand up to him. Putin will continue to arm and defend our enemies while our country goes to hell.


9 posted on 09/11/2013 4:21:10 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It’s a Russian pub and not too many Russian pubs publish without the great man Putin’s blessing. In fact, he shoots journalist, discretely but with extreme prejudice.


10 posted on 09/11/2013 4:21:24 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: quimby
Putin, wasting no time after KOing Obama.

Obama lasted approximately 30 seconds into round 1 before the Russian Bomber KOed him with a single, gentle punch to the chin. Obama went down like a sack of potatoes... Classic Russian strategy, a hole in the USA’s wall has been breached, now Putin is pouring in his forces in order to keep the feeble, confused West off balance and unable to stem the tide.

The Middle East is Putin's backyard now. Handed over with a whimper, no bangs.

Our allies there (all 4 of them) must be very worried now.

11 posted on 09/11/2013 4:24:45 AM PDT by Netz
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To: elhombrelibre
No sir. It is realism. Russia is our former enemy, but it childish to think we, the United States, can act with impunity internationally like selling US arms, etc. and simultaneously expect that everyone should be against Russia, or China, or North Korea when THEY do it. Pragmatism is not apologism. The fact is that much of the entire free world are global arms sellers (Norway, Sweden, South Africa, Israel, France, Germany, Britain, are just a few), and Muslim countries have been their best customers.
12 posted on 09/11/2013 4:27:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

You miss the point then. Selling advanced air defense weapons to a country run by crazy religous zealots who want to build a nuclear weapon and use it on Israel is like thinking selling whiskey to kids driving cars is smart. Your logic is that of the Liberal who cannot appreciate that sometimes America’s enemies really are wrong. Putin is against freedom in Russia and for arming America’s enemies abroad. Wake up.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 4:29:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Obama is selling weapons to Saudi Arabia and they are no better than the Iranians. There are no heroes here. I don’t know if that’s the point you are trying to make.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 4:41:20 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: elhombrelibre
And if he's anti-Islamist, why is he helping the mad mullahs?

maybe because iran's shia don't threaten russia (its the sunni's, our buddies) and the weapons are defensive.

15 posted on 09/11/2013 4:41:53 AM PDT by quimby
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To: elhombrelibre
No you miss the point. You forget our forays into these countries decades ago. Remember the CIA and all those Stinger Missiles they gave the Mujaheddin to shoot down Russian Helicopters.

You forget all the arms WE supplied Sadam, much of that came back to haunt us in the form of 105mm/155mm projectiles being used for IEDs

Or more recently where in Libya where after-Benghazi reports suggest the reason the CIA had such a large presence there was to redirect some of the weapons they'd supplied the rebels to Syria (hence the ambassador's presence there).

Your logic it seems is that it is okay to supply dangerous weapons to SOME Muslims, but it isn't okay just now because Putin is offering more of a defensive weapons system (S-300) to Syria. Finally, if you think that the rebels trying to overthrow the current Syrian government are any better than Iran, then you are misguided because if they manage to overthrow it, then all those chemicals and weapons system really WILL be directed at Israel.

16 posted on 09/11/2013 4:42:53 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
So you favor this? "The source also said that Putin was ready to sign a deal with Iran on building a second reactor for the Bushehr nuclear plant."

You are an apologist for Putin, and no different than the Liberals who apologized for the USSR. Sick.

17 posted on 09/11/2013 4:46:34 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Gaffer

If Iran is no different than the Muslims trying to overthrow Assad, why don’t you favor Russia selling them S-300’s? You’re situationally pro-Putin for arm sales.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 4:50:10 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

So shooting down Santa Claus wasn’t enough?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1546530/posts


19 posted on 09/11/2013 4:54:44 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Gaffer
You may want to ask the Ukranians, Poles, Georgians, Estonians, Lithanians, and Latvians what they think of Putin.
20 posted on 09/11/2013 4:58:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I suppose the difference is that the Saudis are too decadent to be aggressive, whereas the Iranians aren’t.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 5:00:26 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The official Saudi policies are not anti-American. The official Iranians are and they use proxies to attack us and our allies. Many wealthy Saudi citizens do not support the position of their government. The citizens of Iran were, about 8 years ago, pro-American. Saudi is not building a bomb to hit Israel. It’s a big difference.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 5:16:52 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

This is Putin rubbing Obama’s nose in the dirt after being slighted. Powerful children at play.

TC


23 posted on 09/11/2013 5:23:17 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Gaffer

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hey, we can play that, too.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 5:25:28 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: elhombrelibre

It took you three times to jig up enough excuses to call me a Putin excuser, again, and you still got it wrong. I don’t want the Muslims trying to overthrow Assad getting the S-300s, they aren’t the ones buying them. They’d be just as Iran is what I said, and I never ONCE said that I approved of Russian weapons sales to Iran.

As far as your ‘reactor’ thing, France, Germany, et al have at one time or another sold reactor parts to Muslim countries. What is different here? Did the article say they are ‘breeder’ reactors capable of producing fissionable material?

You hate Putin, okay I get it. I don’t like him either but right now he is the only adult on the international playing field with respect to our dear leader, and he has to be negotiated with from a perspective of respect that goes both ways. Obama cannot respect anything because it diminishes him.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 6:12:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: elhombrelibre

My initial comment as I thought it was about my thinking the Putin offer had been extended to Syria and thus our discussion(s).

I realize now that the offer was to Iran, instead and I am embarrassed about having to get through this much back and forth to now realize that. My bad and my apologies for that.

Of any of the numerous countries I think should not gain advanced defensive weapons, Iran and North Korea are at the top of the list. To me, however, the legitimate government of Syria as it has existed before this incursion of foreign backed Muslim Brotherhood rebels is not anywhere near the top of that list. I believe our President is doing everything he can to topple any current Muslim country government that is not in control by Muslim Brotherhood factions and I believe that his objective is to completely surround Israel with Muslim fanatics that exist today.

Again, my bad. Sorry.


26 posted on 09/11/2013 6:33:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I’ve jumped the gun before. No harm. Best to you.


27 posted on 09/11/2013 7:13:37 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

When did Iran threaten to use a nuclear weapon on Israel? In fact when did Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? I know which speeches you are thinking of by ahmedinejad, but it is easy to research that our media and the globe edited and mistranslated his speeches for drama and sensationalism.
His first time he was quoted as saying this, he in fact said Zionism needs to be eliminated. (Zionism does not mean Israel as a nation, nor does it mean Jews) The media took this and ran with it as he threatens to wipe Israel off the map. He followed up his Zionism needs to be eliminated sentence with, “the best way to do this is democratically”.
I am not saying Iranian government are good, they are far from it. Our best ally Saudi Arabia, however are Nazis in comparison. At the very least Iran has churches and Christians and synagogues and Jewish people living there and represented in government. In Saudi Arabia you cant even vacation there if you are Christian, you cant own two bibles if you work there, and there are no churches and is illegal to build churches.
If we want to delve next into the fanatics backed by both regimes you only need to look at Hezbollah (backed by Iran) and Al Qaeda(backed by sunni extremists).

Here is a link of hezbollah’s leader talking against how al Qaeda jihadists target Shiite pilgrims, and bomb churches and target Christians for worshipping Christianity. Goes on to call their school of thought to be a new religion and a fabrication.
Compare this to Al Qaeda and the muslim brotherhood and their backers stance on Christians in the middle east. Look at Iraq, Egypt and Syria at how sunni groups target Christians and bomb them and kill them.

The sad thing about all this, is a terrorist like Hezbollah’s leader is quicker to defend middle eastern Christians against al Qaeda than our own president.

My whole point here was to show who our allies are and who Russia’s allies are. We sell advanced weapons to far more intolerant people than Russia does, and we are empowering the people who want to cleanse the region of a Christian presence making us just as guilty as al Qaeda.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 7:21:01 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: elhombrelibre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Rzj09Hkvg

The link I forgot to post earlier


29 posted on 09/11/2013 7:21:50 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: hannibaal

Great. Now, we have the pro-Iran Freepers here to balance out the perceived pro-Moslem brotherhood Freepers. Good grief.


30 posted on 09/11/2013 8:55:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre
why is he helping the mad mullahs?

Trying to give competition to Obama?

We Americans would be better off if we asked those questions about our own president before we start asking them about an other.

31 posted on 09/11/2013 10:27:26 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: elhombrelibre
Now, we have the pro-Iran Freepers here to balance out the perceived pro-Moslem brotherhood Freepers

Te only Freepers I see are Pro-American Freepers who find supporting this President of ours a conflict of interest.

The last I heard Putin was sending arms to Syria to help Assad crush the US Backed Muslem Brotherhood/ Al Qaeda rebels.

Obama (OUR nation's President) = pro-Moslem Brotherhood.

Remember Libya?

Remember Egypt?

OBAMA's USA DID THAT (and was cheered by the McCain wing of the GOP).

32 posted on 09/11/2013 10:33:28 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: elhombrelibre

No one is pro-Iran unless its their dissidents.

There are no good guys in the Syria mess, not even the US can be considered the “good guy” in this.


33 posted on 09/11/2013 10:35:15 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: elhombrelibre

>>>You are an apologist for Putin, and no different than the Liberals who apologized for the USSR. Sick.<<<

In reality you are following a liberal logic.


34 posted on 09/11/2013 10:44:47 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: elhombrelibre
Obama meets Putin and leaves with a wedgie and no lunch money. Sad.
35 posted on 09/11/2013 10:59:53 AM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: tsowellfan

Ah, you could read the article and see that it’s reported that Putin is going to sell advanced air defense weapons to Iran. Or you could spout diatribes about the idiot Obama. The article is not about Syria. You’ll know that if you’ll stop and think for a second.


36 posted on 09/11/2013 11:26:40 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: tsowellfan

You mean “another” not an other. Is English your first language or is Russian?


37 posted on 09/11/2013 11:27:44 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

English is my first language, Spanish my second, French my third and Khmer my fourth, Freeman.


38 posted on 09/11/2013 11:30:22 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: cunning_fish

How am I following Liberal logic? I’m against Putin and Obama. That’s as a committed, long term, principled Conservative and not a passing Putin fad. Putin is an autocrat who kills journalist in Russia, intimidates the Baltic States, Poland, Ukraine, and Georgia. You may think he’s a okay. I don’t. You can oppose Obama and not want to see Putin or Obama do long term harm to America.


39 posted on 09/11/2013 11:30:52 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

...and no, I do not speak Russian


40 posted on 09/11/2013 11:31:12 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: elhombrelibre
Just because we do not like Communist wannabe Obama does not mean we stand behind and support Russia and Putin.

You cannot blame Putin for putting Russia first. You cannot blame Italians for waving the Italian flag. You cannot blame Mexicans for wanting to take back what they believe is theirs. You cannot blame the French for thinking France is the best nation on earth.

It's called nationalism. We Americans should try it sometime. Without it someone else takes control.

41 posted on 09/11/2013 11:36:55 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Gaffer

You are NOT a “Putin excuser” you are an American nationalist who finds it to be a conflict of interest to support anti-American Obama.


42 posted on 09/11/2013 11:44:23 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

Putin’s nationalism is about Putin, not Russia. That, my friend, is a whole different matter.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 11:50:23 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: tsowellfan

People used to excuse Hitler by saying he was merely a nationalist, too. Nationalism that promotes only the interest of the fuhrer is not nationalism.


44 posted on 09/11/2013 11:56:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You have to remember a little farther back. Russia and Iran have been pretty well tied together at least since WW II. It was then that we (US) helped modernize the N/S railroad thru Iran to supply Russia thru the back door-—Aluminum, Studebaker trucks, etc. To this day that rail line is a major supply route for central Russia. The notion that the two aren’t going to get along well enough to keep the road open is a non-starter. As long as Iran can afford to pay, Putin will sell them weapons, typewriters, or whatever they need.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 12:49:44 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

You say that as if they must sell them. The sales have been in abeyance for some time. That means Putin can control himself. He doesn’t have to sell the missiles. It’s not like Russia will die if it doesn’t sell the mad mullahs missiles. I know some think it’s his Christian duty to do so, but I don’t.


46 posted on 09/11/2013 12:53:11 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre
The Israelis have said in the past that delivery of the S-300 would trigger an attack on Iran.

I guess Putty figures he's wearing the big boy pants in the region now and can do what he likes.

Wonder how he got that idea?

Couldn't be that he's sized-up puny pathetic Bathhouse Barry, kicked some sand in his face and found him wanting?

47 posted on 09/11/2013 1:40:54 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

Agree. But we need to keep in mind that Barry’s foolishness and failures in foreign policy are much like his foolishness and failures in domestic policy. He’s bringing us down at home and abroad, and Putin is no good guy for arming Iran with advanced weapons. One side note, I believe Israels warning concerned Syria and not Iran, but I may be wrong.


48 posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

The best SAMs in the world won’t do much against an enemy that would use stand-off weapons well out of range of air defense. And both the United States and Israel are experienced at knocking out air defense radar, thus rendering SAMs useless. But putting all of Syria’s defense eggs in the S-300 basket is Bashar’s only hope.


49 posted on 09/11/2013 4:02:24 PM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: elhombrelibre
Putin’s nationalism is about Putin, not Russia.

Maybe so but I would hardly expect a Russian to put the United States above Russia anymore than I would a Frenchman put the USA above France. That's OUR job and supporting the Obama agenda is not going to get that job done.

50 posted on 09/11/2013 4:36:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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