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The Billion Dollar Gun Grabber Boycott - that will cost you nothing
11 September 2013

Posted on 09/11/2013 5:22:00 AM PDT by 11th_VA

Folks,

In honor of the 'Total Recall' victory in Colorado last night, I want to ask for your help in participating in the "Trillion Dollar Boycott" of Gun Grabber States, that will cost you nothing.

One of the largest expenses each of us pay, are insurance payments (Home, auto, life, etc). For me, it's over $5,000 per year - that's $50,000 over 10 years.

When I found out my hard earned dollars I was paying for insurance were going to a Yankee Gun Grabber state, I decided to change my insurance provider and now support a company located in a '2A' friendly state.

That's $50K over 10 years that won't be going to a gun grabber state now.

If I can get 20,000 '2A' defenders to join me, we can easily shift 1 TRILLION DOLLARS of revenue to '2A' gun friendly states.

The states to target include: MA, CT, NY, MD, (feel free to add more)

Here are links to the TOP businesses in each of the gun grabber states - if you see an insurance provider there or other business to boycott, please consider changing the way you spend your dollars:

Massachusetts

Connecticut

New York

Maryland

After switching a service or provider, post the 10 year year TOTAL of dollars that will not be going to a 'gun grabber state' and we'll keep a running total.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; boycott; guncontrol; secondamendment
I just switched $5K a year from a Massachusetts company to a Tennessee company. So I'm good for $50K ... what say you ???
1 posted on 09/11/2013 5:22:00 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

2nd Amendment Bump


2 posted on 09/11/2013 5:27:12 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: 11th_VA

I don’t know why I’d want to punish a business for the actions of a state government. The business is likely being punished enough simply by virtue of being located there. For all I know, I could be moving $ from a company with fairly conservative values to another company that’s backing Democrats 100%.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 5:28:40 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

CitizenUSA, if you are providing for the lively hood of those voters in Gun Grabber states, you are contributing to the problem.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 5:34:03 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

If you’re using any free email service, Amazon, or utilizing network routes in most of the US, you’re using products by EMC (Massachusetts) and Level 3 Communications (New York), respectively. EMC is the largest provider of network storage (SAN and NAS) in the world. I’ve been in IT for over 20 years and have yet to see a company using SAN storage other than EMC.

While there are some companies we can avoid, there are others so ingrained in our day-to-day that avoiding them would mean removing yourself from a large chunk of society.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 5:38:17 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 11th_VA

If you/your family qualify as members, USAA is a simple choice.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 5:40:04 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: rarestia
While there are some companies we can avoid, there are others so ingrained in our day-to-day that avoiding them would mean removing yourself from a large chunk of society.

Totally agree - My 401K is with a New York based company - can't change that. But in the areas of my life I can change service providers, I will now do so ...

7 posted on 09/11/2013 5:41:13 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Blueflag

Where is USAA headquartered ???


8 posted on 09/11/2013 5:42:08 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: CitizenUSA
For all I know, I could be moving $ from a company with fairly conservative values to another company that’s backing Democrats 100%.

Case in point - Tennesee

9 posted on 09/11/2013 5:42:59 AM PDT by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe)
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To: 11th_VA

San Antonio


10 posted on 09/11/2013 5:45:26 AM PDT by ebersole
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To: 11th_VA

Easy answer, that you’ll like.

Address: 9800 Fredericksburg Rd, San Antonio, TX 78288
Phone:(210) 531-8722
Hours: Wednesday hours 8:00 am–5:00 pm

www.usaa.com. (I don’t work for them. I am a member. this is not a solicitation)


11 posted on 09/11/2013 5:48:19 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: 11th_VA

I think it is the COMPANY we need to look at, not the state they are in.

If they are supporting dems then withdraw your bizness

We need a list of libtard-leaning businesses


12 posted on 09/11/2013 5:48:50 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mr. K
If you go to 'Open Secrets', most businesses give to both parties.

I think this needs to be a 'Total War' - there will be collateral damage. But just like Sheridan did to the 'Valley,' and Sherman did to Georgia, these kinds of actions can be very effective. A Trillion dollars is NOT chump change, and very doable with the numbers I posted.

13 posted on 09/11/2013 5:54:35 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

USAA, IIRC is headquartered in Texas. I think in San Antonio.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 5:58:55 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: 11th_VA

Already have our insurance in a gun-friendly state. General Casualty Company and American Family are both in Wisconsin. :-)


15 posted on 09/11/2013 6:00:20 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: rarestia
I’ve been in IT for over 20 years and have yet to see a company using SAN storage other than EMC.

NetApp

Much better product than EMC.

16 posted on 09/11/2013 6:00:53 AM PDT by Washi (Proud to be a Coloradan)
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To: Blueflag

Highly recommend this


17 posted on 09/11/2013 6:00:58 AM PDT by slipper (The best is yet to come)
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To: CitizenUSA

Keep in mind that employees of those companies in those states more than likely voted dim, I have no sympathy for them.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 6:01:09 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: 11th_VA

Where do the stock holders of your new insurance company live? Who administers your pension plan and do they hold any insurance stocks? All insurance companies engage in reinsurance. That’s a risk limitation practice where they parcel out their risk among a pool of companies. Does your new insurance company reinsure through Travelers, The Hartford, Metropolitan, etc.?

Just some thoughts about the futility of boycotts in such an interconnected industry. I worked for several Fortune 100 insurance companies. In many states one of them handled the business under the name of the other one that wasn’t licensed In thise states. When you buy insurance you really have no idea who you’re doing business with.


19 posted on 09/11/2013 6:01:52 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: knittnmom

Thanks for targeting your business to a 2A friendly state!!!


20 posted on 09/11/2013 6:02:19 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA
That's $50K over 10 years that won't be going to a gun grabber state now.

If I can get 20,000 '2A' defenders to join me, we can easily shift 1 TRILLION DOLLARS of revenue to '2A' gun friendly states.

Wouldn't that come out to merely 1 BILLION DOLLARS over ten years?

21 posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:02 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: 11th_VA

that is an excellent idea.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:20 AM PDT by RC one
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To: 11th_VA

It’s also where I make my home! :-) Go, Walker!


23 posted on 09/11/2013 6:14:11 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Washi

Absolutely no where near the market saturation of EMC.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 6:16:36 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Dang - no wonder my check book won’t balance. (I hardly got any sleep last night - stayed up to watch the Colorado results). I’ll change the title. Thanks !


25 posted on 09/11/2013 6:25:40 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: muir_redwoods
When you buy insurance you really have no idea who you’re doing business with

That's scary if true. I changed from a company that was headquartered in Boston to one in Minnesota - though a lot of agents work out of Tennessee.

26 posted on 09/11/2013 6:34:01 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Mr. K

Excellent idea, can you start compiling one? Then it can be followed, in conjunction with this one, which is focused on removing revenue from states whose people want to ban guns.


27 posted on 09/11/2013 6:36:58 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: rarestia
Absolutely no where near the market saturation of EMC.

30.4% EMC vs. 14.9% NetApp according to this:
http://www.eweek.com/small-business/emc-netapp-ibm-top-vendors-in-external-disk-storage-idc/

You said you "...have yet to see a company using SAN storage other than EMC."

28 posted on 09/11/2013 6:44:10 AM PDT by Washi (Proud to be a Coloradan)
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To: 11th_VA

Awesome idea. I will share on Facebook, both personal and business page.


29 posted on 09/11/2013 6:58:18 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: 11th_VA

I’m with Mutual of Omaha. Dumb luck I guess. This is a very good idea. Hope it has legs.


30 posted on 09/11/2013 6:58:50 AM PDT by AKinAK
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To: Blueflag

Who or what company provides USAA Car Insurance?


31 posted on 09/11/2013 7:05:48 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Per their website, they underwrite their own policies.

https://www.usaa.com/inet/pages/newsroom_factsheets_pnc

USAA means United Services Automobile Association


32 posted on 09/11/2013 7:21:03 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

I had heard that Progressive underwrote USAA Auto Policies, looks like I WAS WRONG!


33 posted on 09/11/2013 7:28:28 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: 11th_VA

FR is located in libtard-controlled California.
You need to stop posting on here and resign your membership.

Check where DU is located.
If it’s in a red state, you should become a member and donate.

Makes as much sense as what you’re proposing with regard to insurance companies.


34 posted on 09/11/2013 7:46:03 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: barefoot_hiker
Welcome to FR. Been here two whole days huh? .... I made the point I can't control where ALL my resources go, but in the areas where I have CHOICES I will now be making choices and not support the lively hoods of 'Yankee Blue State Libtards' that seek to take away my rights.

We're not talking about not spending $5 for a box of detergent, we're talking serious money here ..

Again, welcome ...

35 posted on 09/11/2013 8:05:39 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

This would be more valuable with alternatives suggested.


36 posted on 09/11/2013 8:39:55 AM PDT by Founding Nephew
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To: 11th_VA

No problem, your overall point is still valid and it is a great idea!


37 posted on 09/11/2013 10:38:06 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: rarestia
I'm a CE and I also build systems for small to large corporations, and EMC is the biggest player, but by no means the only one nor the best.

The best arrays originated from LSI before they were bought out by NetApp, IMO.

I maintain many different brands of SAN's and although EMC has a great line of products, other offerings from IBM, HP, Dot Hill, NetApp and others are in the same league as EMC and in several cases a better price point. I just sent out an LSI based IBM array to Honeywell this past week, and I deal with other LSI based SAN's at such companies as Northrop Grumman and General Dynamics.

Just wanted to point out that there are more offerings available in the SAN and NAS market than just EMC, and corporations small to large have been happy with these alternatives for well over a decade.

38 posted on 09/11/2013 11:10:44 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: 11th_VA

Its absolutely true. I have almost 40 years experience working for the insurance industry. I’ve worked for Life, Health, Dental, Property and Casualty companies. I have experience with Marine, Flood, Fire, High Exposure and all kinds of specialty insurance. The industry is very closely inter-related. When Katrina hit, virtually the entire P&C industry ponied up the money; no one company paid any large claims alone, all chipped in. I know of one name brand insurance company that is licensed in only 46 states. Another name brand insurance company, supposedly a competitor, handles the insurance in the other four states under their competitor’s name. This isn’t improper or uncommon at all. Its how the business works.

An insurance boycott will almost certainly fail. Through re-insurance operations, most companies can have all the business they can handle.


39 posted on 09/11/2013 12:59:10 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Founding Nephew; Blueflag
This would be more valuable with alternatives suggested.

I was going to suggest "Travelers" since they are head quartered in Minneapolis, but here's what I got from their web site:

Our Saint Paul, Minn. location is home to more than 2,000 Travelers employees ... Our Insurance Operations Headquarters is located in Hartford, Conn. The campus houses more than 6,000 employees

The Hartford location was a deal breaker for me (I was going to close on the deal today) but instead took Blueflag's advice and went with USAA. Their online tool was pretty easy and I got better rate as well (Thanks Blueflag !!!)

40 posted on 09/11/2013 1:39:30 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

You will enjoy really great customer service from USAA as well.


41 posted on 09/11/2013 2:02:20 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: 11th_VA

How big of a house do you have that you pay $5k a year in insurance?


42 posted on 09/11/2013 2:04:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: 11th_VA

.. recent tagline relevance bump ..


43 posted on 09/11/2013 2:07:28 PM PDT by tomkat ( support the product, you support the politics .. shop like a warrior)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Between my four autos and my house, it cost that much. DC area has some of the highest auto rates in the country. But now I’m down to $3K.


44 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:02 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

$3K for the autos - house is still another $800. I’m still ahead and feeling better about it as well.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 2:37:59 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Blueflag

USAA rocks. had them since rotc in ‘72. no problems with any claim


46 posted on 09/11/2013 4:59:56 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Washi
You said you "...have yet to see a company using SAN storage other than EMC."

Correct. I said I have yet to see a company using SAN storage other than EMC. Meaning I've not worked for a company in my 20 years in IT that uses non-EMC storage. I never said it didn't exist, I said I've not personally seen it.

47 posted on 09/12/2013 5:30:23 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Pox

I’ve used HP’s StorageWorks DAS arrays quite a bit in my years as a data center engineer. They’re perfect for small implementations and very scalable.

I’ve also seen Dell’s PowerVault products but not used them much.

For big iron storage, though, EMC seems to have a lock on marketing. I know they undersold IBM by an extreme margin at my last employer just to get their foot in the door, something like 90%, and with the amount of money they have, they throw around their weight quite freely.

Like I said, I acknowledge other competitors, but EMC is a pretty tough competitor to try to squash or avoid.


48 posted on 09/12/2013 5:34:30 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Correct. I said I have yet to see a company using SAN storage other than EMC.

Ah. Gotcha.

We used both (EMC and NetApp). Prefer NetApp.

49 posted on 09/12/2013 6:03:42 AM PDT by Washi (Proud to be a Coloradan)
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To: rarestia
Some of the clients I work with have several SAN’s from different vendors.

Which vendor is typically determined by the need of the overall project or application, and although EMC is a favorite for some of the larger, it is by no means the only solution. HP’s aren't one of my favorites, but they are usable. LSI made very powerful SAN’s that have been discontinued by NetApp after they acquired them (CTS2600 was a monster), and that's a shame. IBM rebranded that unit from LSI and actually forced them to “throttle down” the performance as it was outperforming their flagship DS8300. Other vendors have also resold that LSI unit and although NetApp has to continue to produce them for now, eventually that tech will fade away as NetApp decided they wanted to sell their overpriced hardware at a much better margin.

EMC is the primary player and will likely continue to be so for many years to come, but new tech is entering the picture from other vendors and they have a lot of work to do to keep themselves on top of the pile.

50 posted on 09/12/2013 8:17:35 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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